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Go to Ferguslie on a Saturday morning and watch the 2004s and you will see the above to be wrong. Is it right that 8 and 9 yr olds train 4 times a week and play 2 games on a Saturday and sometimes play a Sunday too?

 

I spent a number of years going to Ferguslie and it was training twice a week and one game on a Sat.

 

Maybe times have changed.

 

Not sure what is wrong with boys playing as much football as they can?


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I understand your viewpoint but kids of 5 to 8 years should be playing non competitive 4 a side games. With the main emphasis on learning basic skills like ball control and actually enjoying the whole experience.
 

 

While I agree with your point about full size pitches and 11 a side, not so sure I agree about games being non competitive.

 

Competitive games is what kids usually enjoy most.


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While I agree with your point about full size pitches and 11 a side, not so sure I agree about games being non competitive.

 

Competitive games is what kids usually enjoy most.

It's only non competitive in name only.

The minute you involve a set of goals it becomes competitive with the players


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I've no qualms about St Mirren running a community side - indeed it makes sense to have teams play in local leagues where coaches can assess opposition players without attempting to poach them - but there's a few issues in that article that immediately ring alarms bells for me. 

 

1. Why trials? Why not just first come, first served? Seriously what do they expect to find amongst five year olds that will set them out as future professional footballers? At those age groups it should be about trialling the coaches ability, not the players ability. Coaches should be proving at those age groups that they can progress and develop every child they work with whilst making training and playing fun for the kids. Not assessing kids abilities and turning them away as failures at the age of 5 FFS. 

 

2. Why claim that this is a pathway to Pro Youth Football? It's obviously utter shite. You cannot claim it's a pathway unless you can guarantee that the majority of the kids coming through the squad will go to the Pro Youth squad - and you can't possibly know that until you've seen how a five year old progresses through to the point where pro youth football begins - even then coaches of pro youth squads are continually getting their selections wrong. How many pro youth clubs are turning over a number of players year on year as it becomes clear that there are better players out there?

 

St Mirren should have looked at the Falkirk in the Community model where their teams are being run as you would do any youth club. Instead it looks to me like St Mirren have chosen to follow all of the worst practices that have been going on at Airdrie Boys Club. 


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Oh FFS this is brilliant.  lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif

 

 

11 kids so far have left Wishaw Wycombe 98's to go Pro Youth. I spoke to the Motherwell chief scout just two weeks ago about one of our now ex players (he signed for Clyde last week) and he spoke about how well some of our ex players are doing at Pro Youth level. In his words we have two who are on the brink of first team football at Motherwell - both are 15 years old. We've got a starlet at Celtic who will definitely make it. And two other lads - one at Airdrie and one at Dunfermline - are players he regrets not having signed because they are absolute stand outs. 

 

We've had to rebuild our squad three times because of the progression of our players and we've still got scouts fighting over some of our players - who still have a 100% league record after 8 games. 

 

You can laugh it up Oaksoft - I'll only ever claim to have played a small part in those kids progression, there has been plenty of people involved in their development. But none the less our achievements have been well recognised in the LFDA leagues and the whole club's success in being a regular production line has been well recognised by scouts from all over Scotland. 


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It's only non competitive in name only.

The minute you involve a set of goals it becomes competitive with the players

 

Absolutely. Once kids learn to count they know who won or lost a match and they always want to win - no matter what the coach says. 

 

I'd also agree with Isabella Duke - not for the first time on the subject of kids football - kids want to play football regularly. If you don't have organised training sessions they'll take their own ball out into the street to play, or to the park or to some other area. 

 

As a club we offer all our players two training sessions per week and one match at the weekend. We do occasionally have midweek league fixtures where you catch up if you've had a run in cup competitions, or a run of matches have been postponed because they were scheduled to be played on one of the appalling grass parks that our councils appear to take pride in running down. As kids get older they can also find themselves being selected for regional or league squads which involves an extra training session or match per week. They may also be representing their school. 

 

What's wrong with any of that? In a society where obesity is a massive problem what is wrong with having kids regularly taking part in excersize that they love doing? 


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Well said Stuart, i don't understand why they are having trials for 5 year olds.

Just give them a ball and let them play no matter their standard.

Most, if not all will improve.
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If they say no maybe you could get them for sexism.  Zurich Allan might know.  Or you could ask Oaksoft kindly to camp outside St. Mirren Park as a protest that a wee girl was being "victimised" or "repressed".

 

I just saw this thread, and you're along the right lines. As far as associations go (of which St Mirren FC is legally classed as one for the purposes of the Equality Act 2010), it would be illegal for the club to refuse to allow a female to attend trials and become a member unless it is decided following that trial that she doesn't have the same level of skill as the others that are selected.

 

Justifcations do exist within the Equality Act that allow sporting associations to discriminate on the grounds of gender, but only where they can show that:

 

1. There is a clear difference in physical strength or stamina required to succeed in the sport in question: Or;

 

2. One or other of the sexes would be at a clear disadvantage over the other.

 

It is generally accepted that neither of these are relevant until children reach the age of 12, and so refusing a girl prior to that age would be on very rocky ground legally speaking.

 

This legislation doesn't just cover existing members of the association, but those seeking membership also.


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Should be mixed up till around age 11 but SMFC youth teams seem to have a win at all costs attitude to the kids football.


Utter nonsense. Any proof / explanation to this?

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Totally disagree,worse thing that's ever been done in 7 a side non competitive football that the kids now play. It's an utter nonsense,get back to 11 a side knocking f**k out each other and breed winners.

 

Agreed! In the USA they have an amazing set up all levels all ages covered but they have the 'wrap them in cotton wool' philosophy and not the same desire for the game.  That's why they'll never be world beaters.  Back to basics, heart on your sleeve stuff in Scotland.



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Utter nonsense. Any proof / explanation to this?

Which part is nonsense.
There are teams that are mixed and indeed have female players. And are until age 11. Would be interested to see how many girls are involved in actually playing games rather than training.
As to the win at all costs that is from watching games involving smfc kids teams in comparison to other teams.

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As far as the girls are concerned, it's good to see there are people now taking girls playing football a bit more seriously than before.  One of my Brother's old Army mates had a daughter who was very good at football.  She played for her Primary School team with the boys and she really was a standout against most of the boys not just in her team but also in the other teams they played against.  Unfortunately when the boys started getting taller and stronger their muscle and power was able to stop her nippy skillful style and eventually she became too old to play with the boys.  If girls' football had been taken more seriously when she played she probably could have played for a girls' team and continued to develop.  In the end she lost interest because she wasn't allowed to play anymore with boys she played with, grown up and won trophies with.

 

Scotland is actually one of the more enlightened nations when it comes to mixed football. Two years ago in Scotland Fauldhouse Foxes won the Scottish Cup at our age group. In the heart of their team was a young lady called Alyshia Walker. We played them in a friendly match and she was a real powerhouse in their squad and our boys didn't really know how to deal with it. They treated her as a girl rather than as a football player. 

 

Anyway the winners of the Scottish Cup get to take part in a four way tournament in England and that year the tournament was to be played at the Hawthorns Stadium. Fauldhouse Foxes registered their team - including Alyshia - only to find that the FA banned girls from playing in boys teams beyond the age of 11. 

 

http://www.deadlinen...se-shes-a-girl/

 

I'm not sure who she plays for at club level these days. There was talk that she was joining Celtic girls. She's certainly in the current Scotland squad at Under 17's. 


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Which part is nonsense.
There are teams that are mixed and indeed have female players. And are until age 11. Would be interested to see how many girls are involved in actually playing games rather than training.
As to the win at all costs that is from watching games involving smfc kids teams in comparison to other teams.

 

Sorry, should have been clearer as I have no idea about the part with girls.

 

It’s the 2nd part which I find ridiculous. It couldn't be further from the truth if you're talking about the pro-youth section. St. Mirren's 'play the right way' is drilled into the boys from a young age and is given a far higher importance than winning the game.



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Sorry, should have been clearer as I have no idea about the part with girls.

 

 

 

It’s the 2nd part which I find ridiculous. It couldn't be further from the truth if you're talking about the pro-youth section. St. Mirren's 'play the right way' is drilled into the boys from a young age and is given a far higher importance than winning the game.

My nephew played pro-youth with Saints for 5 years. That's certainly the spirit that was being fostered on the odd occasion I attended the matches.


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I forgot to say good luck with it anyway.  If she wishes to attend she should be allowed.  End of.  Job done.

is she better than what we already have?

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Good luck shulls girl don't care boy or girl its about playing football and enjoying it.
I miss playing more than anything! Still get sad every time I pass places I used to play Ralston,seedhill,mordun,apex and many more.
I say every one who wants to take part in football should be allowed to regardless of sex. I hope there can be a womans st.mirren team she can play for in the future?.
Still think all games should be competitive as technique touch and ability are great but you also need the will to win!.

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The only reason females should get near football strips is washing them
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is she better than what we already have?

 

If she's five or six years old and it's a new team being started then it should be done on a first come, first served basis. There is no need for trials at that age and there never should be.

 

Established practice within the SYFA for Clubmarked clubs is that they recruit players on a first come first served basis. At Wishaw Wycombe we start our waiting list a year before the team is due to be set up and we generally have to close the recruitment after a week because we have our maximum number of 25 in our squad. Any subsequent applications will be placed on a waitlist and they will either be contacted if a place opens back up because the child has changed their mind or whatever - or if we get to 50 we may run a second group at that age level if we can get sufficient coaches to volunteer. 

 

No club should be releasing players at the age of 5 or 6 because someone who is "better" has been found. Neither should a club be bringing in kids only to tell them at the age of 5 or 6 that they aren't good enough for their squad. That's an utter nonsense. 


Edited by Stuart Dickson, 15 October 2013 - 15:07.

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