shull Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 It's been 50 years since the great man's passing. Watching a documentary on BBC1 presently. Splendid. What an absolute hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 He has some life story. The movie about him is a cracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Churchill did us proud , in as much as , saving us from the Bosche in 1940 with the help of the RAF of course . . I'm not so convinced by his ordering of tanks into George Sq in 1919 in reponse to the strike for a 40hr week . Many of the men , involved in George Sq , had fought in WWl only to be attacked by police and Churchill ordered in the tanks and brought in English troops because he didn't trust the garrison at Marryhill. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Churchill did us proud , in as much as , saving us from the Bosche in 1940 with the help of the RAF of course . . I'm not so convinced by his ordering of tanks into George Sq in 1919 in reponse to the strike for a 40hr week . Many of the men , involved in George Sq , had fought in WWl only to be attacked by police and Churchill ordered in the tanks and brought in English troops because he didn't trust the garrison at Marryhill. . Wish he was here to send the Tanks into Glasgow this Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I did the tour of the cabinet war rooms last year, a big part of it was the Churchill exhibition area and museum. It didn't hold back from a warts and all assessment of the man. It was clear he could be an absolute cnut to work for, but it also was clear that while he drove people hard, he worked longer hours than anyone and it appeared that the people he drove hard would have followed him anywhere and would have done anything for him. A true leader. I suppose in 1940 - 45 he was just the kind of charismatic cnut that was required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 cometh the hour, cometh the man unsavoury as it may seem, all the imperfections and clearly bad acts and decisions moulded him into exactly what we (the free world) needed in that time had we not had someone of that strength and drive, could it have been that the yanks would have sat the war out or even given in to their own internal pressure and sided the other way? Who knows. funny thing is, however bad it might have been, might we all have been quite happy by this time under the 3rd reich? Questions, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 WGAF? He didn't win the post-war elections. There's a clue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 cometh the hour, cometh the man unsavoury as it may seem, all the imperfections and clearly bad acts and decisions moulded him into exactly what we (the free world) needed in that time had we not had someone of that strength and drive, could it have been that the yanks would have sat the war out or even given in to their own internal pressure and sided the other way? Who knows. funny thing is, however bad it might have been, might we all have been quite happy by this time under the 3rd reich? Questions, eh? A son of a rich aristocratic family. Privately educated in boarding schools and an ex Harrovian - which had a similar record in his era for producing politicians and prime ministers to the likes of Eton. Written off as a bit of a political has been after the failed Dardanelles campaign in 1915 and held in contempt by many in society, so much so that his views on Aldolf Hitler and the threat of a Nazi Germany were scoffed at by political classes of the time. As Chancellor of the Exchequer Churchill returned Britain to the Gold Standard, a move that brought about a depression leading to the General Strike in 1926. Indeed such was his hatred of Trade Unions and Bolshevism Churchill would describe Mussolini as a "Roman Genius - a lawgiver among men". Churchills fiscal policies were to be criticised by economists as generally favouring the richer banking and salaried classes ahead of manufacturing and exporters. Yet here were are 50 years after his death and Churchill is still the most revered UK politician ever to have walked the planet - and rightly so. A wonderful, hard working, principled man who had the drive, focus, courage and determination to keep European invaders off the UK mainland before fighting back, with the help of the Americans and the Russians to liberate the whole place from the scourge of National Socialism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 WGAF? He didn't win the post-war elections. There's a clue... At the risk of being whoosed by some personal joke - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1951 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 cometh the hour, cometh the man unsavoury as it may seem, all the imperfections and clearly bad acts and decisions moulded him into exactly what we (the free world) needed in that time had we not had someone of that strength and drive, could it have been that the yanks would have sat the war out or even given in to their own internal pressure and sided the other way? Who knows. funny thing is, however bad it might have been, might we all have been quite happy by this time under the 3rd reich? Questions, eh? America would never have sat out the war. They could't. In protecting their interests in the Pacific they had imposed an oil embargo on Japan which threatened to suffocate Japan's empire building in the region. I don't know why in the UK we credit Churchill with bringing the US into the war. The US made itself a target for an increasingly desperate Japan. Where Churchill does deserve credit on that front is that he managed two things. He first managed to keep the US neutral when there had been every possible chance that the US could have chosen to side with Germany. And second he managed to persuade Roosevelt not to target all his efforts on the Pacific, where it might have been a natural response to retaliate against Japan after the attack on Pearl Harbour, and to instead use a great deal of resources and manpower in Europe while they rebuilt their Pacific Fleet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 At the risk of being whoosed by some personal joke - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_general_election,_1951"Whoosed"?I wouldn't do that - even to you. Thanks for the links, proving my point - that he was NOT the much-loved person now being portrayed. In the '51 election, the MAJORITY of votes were for Labour. Again. Not for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 "Whoosed"? I wouldn't do that - even to you. Thanks for the links, proving my point - that he was NOT the much-loved person now being portrayed. In the '51 election, the MAJORITY of votes were for Labour. Again. Not for him. Yeh , apparently he visited the East End of London one day during the period of the Blitz and said to a small gathering "We can take it !" and a woman shouted back , "Yeh , you can !!" Tough times. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flareybob Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Winston was unique in the fact that he was the only white guy to be called Winston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jake Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 cometh the hour, cometh the man unsavoury as it may seem, all the imperfections and clearly bad acts and decisions moulded him into exactly what we (the free world) needed in that time had we not had someone of that strength and drive, could it have been that the yanks would have sat the war out or even given in to their own internal pressure and sided the other way? Who knows. funny thing is, however bad it might have been, might we all have been quite happy by this time under the 3rd reich? Questions, eh? We might not be in the position we are re sale of the club and league position. I suppose we'll never know ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 "Whoosed"? I wouldn't do that - even to you. Thanks for the links, proving my point - that he was NOT the much-loved person now being portrayed. In the '51 election, the MAJORITY of votes were for Labour. Again. Not for him. That's like saying St Mirren beat Dundee last week cause they had the most corners. To win an election in the UK you need to win the most seats. Churchill did that in 51. The Conservatives went on to retain power through Eden and McMillan and Labour didn't get near 10 Downing St until Harold Wilson in the mid 60s. You know this so I assume I'm being whooshed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinbuddie Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Usual long winded posts from the resident know all. Churchill is revered for successfully leading the UK through the 2nd World War. Apart from that, I doubt too many folk are aware of what else he did, neither do they care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 cometh the hour, cometh the man unsavoury as it may seem, all the imperfections and clearly bad acts and decisions moulded him into exactly what we (the free world) needed in that time had we not had someone of that strength and drive, could it have been that the yanks would have sat the war out or even given in to their own internal pressure and sided the other way? Who knows. funny thing is, however bad it might have been, might we all have been quite happy by this time under the 3rd reich? Questions, eh? You might be better asking the Greeks for answer to that one , but the last time l checked they wurnae chuffed , at aw. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Dickson Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 (edited) Usual long winded posts from the resident know all. Churchill is revered for successfully leading the UK through the 2nd World War. Apart from that, I doubt too many folk are aware of what else he did, neither do they care. Whilst that's probably true, isn't it a sad reflection on you. Churchill lived to the age of 91. He is without question the most revered UK politician ever. We should be interested in his background so we can look for similar traits in our up and coming politicians so we know who to elect to lead us to greatness. Be honest now Edinbuddie, if you were around in 1930's Britain, would you have been more akin to vote Conservative and to vote for the Tory toff Churchill or would you have been more likely to be backing the United Scotland Movement led by a future SNP leader in Arthur Donaldson who was involved in talks with the Nazi's about the possibility of a Celtic Union governed from Dublin as part of the 3rd Reich? Would you have voted for the Nationalist who admitted to UK agents that he was prepared to undermine the UK's war effort particularly in the mines and in the shipyards? Would you have followed the typical Nationalist doctrine that still reigns today where they'll hand power in Scotland to absolutely anyone but the English? Thankfully, back then, UK citizens and politicians spotted the man who would lead a nation to victory. Can you imagine what might have happened if in Scotland 45% backed that Nationalist Quisling? Edited January 30, 2015 by Stuart Dickson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 What an absolute hero. Criiiiiiiinge. There are absolutely no heroes - anywhere - in ANY walk of life. Calling someone a hero is a losers way of absolving themselves from the responsibility of achieving their own full potential. Churchill was a self serving bastard - just like every one of us. Wow I';m in a GREAT mood this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Winston was unique in the fact that he was the only white guy to be called Winston Hilarious! WInston. White. Get it? Nudge nudge wink wink. Winston. FFS WINSTON - WHITE man.....how can ANYONE not get this fantastic joke. A white man called Winston? Nobody laughing their arses off? Tell your work colleagues....pass this on..... I;ve just told my kids to tell their classmates and their teachers. For those too young to know, or those who don't recognise sarcasm, this is the type of classic "joke" which filled our TV screens every week in the 70's. Then we stopped living in caves and started living in houses and realised it was about as funny as licking a bog brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Hilarious! WInston. White. Get it? Nudge nudge wink wink. Winston. FFS WINSTON - WHITE man.....how can ANYONE not get this fantastic joke. A white man called Winston? Nobody laughing their arses off? Tell your work colleagues....pass this on..... I;ve just told my kids to tell their classmates and their teachers. For those too young to know, or those who don't recognise sarcasm, this is the type of classic "joke" which filled our TV screens every week in the 70's. Then we stopped living in caves and started living in houses and realised it was about as funny as licking a bog brush. I don't get that.Why is licking a bog brush funny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickMcD Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 "Whoosed"? I wouldn't do that - even to you. Thanks for the links, proving my point - that he was NOT the much-loved person now being portrayed. In the '51 election, the MAJORITY of votes were for Labour. Again. Not for him. I don't dispute your figures but Churchill enjoyed massive personal popularity after the war. Can't say the same about his party which certainly didn't. I believe that Churchill's popularity prevented the Tories from an even more humiliating defeat in the 1945 election. Working class people blamed the Tories for getting us into the war and of course the working classes bore the brunt of our casualties during the war. Churchill wasn't in the Tory cabinet at the start of the war but that doesn't hide the fact that he was up for it OK. Labour got in in 1945 with a huge majority but had blown it by 1950. They won that election, just, but the ba' was on the slates and in 1951 it was over. It has always been Labour's fate. Victory into defeat. I'm not the only guy on here who can remember Churchill's popularity for the rest of his life and the talk now of his death after 50 years still echoes that. So, he made mistakes in his lifetime. He made bad calls. Who hasn't? Doesn't make him a bad person. I'm convinced he'll go down as one of the most famous and popular Britons in history. For what that's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edinbuddie Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Whilst that's probably true, isn't it a sad reflection on you. Churchill lived to the age of 91. He is without question the most revered UK politician ever. We should be interested in his background so we can look for similar traits in our up and coming politicians so we know who to elect to lead us to greatness. Be honest now Edinbuddie, if you were around in 1930's Britain, would you have been more akin to vote Conservative and to vote for the Tory toff Churchill or would you have been more likely to be backing the United Scotland Movement led by a future SNP leader in Arthur Donaldson who was involved in talks with the Nazi's about the possibility of a Celtic Union governed from Dublin as part of the 3rd Reich? Would you have voted for the Nationalist who admitted to UK agents that he was prepared to undermine the UK's war effort particularly in the mines and in the shipyards? Would you have followed the typical Nationalist doctrine that still reigns today where they'll hand power in Scotland to absolutely anyone but the English? Thankfully, back then, UK citizens and politicians spotted the man who would lead a nation to victory. Can you imagine what might have happened if in Scotland 45% backed that Nationalist Quisling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 It's been 50 years since the great man's passing. Watching a documentary on BBC1 presently. Splendid. What an absolute hero. Not according to one London docker, who claimed he wasn't popular with working class. He said they were ask to dip their crane jibs and the only reason the did it was they were paid for the Saturday, which wasn't a normal shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Saint Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Red dot for you Edinbuddie for quoting the obnoxious a**hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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