OK if you are being civil then I will return the favour and give a fuller explanation of where I stand.
I am not asking you or people like you to be quiet at all.
A bit less personal abuse wouldn't go amiss and if you want to see some examples of the worst of human behaviour go and have a look at the P&B politics forum.
At least it is reasonably decent on here.
Here are my concerns.
1) Left wingers trying to hold the moral high ground by arrogantly claiming only they care about people at the bottom. People who want to do this can talk to themselves.
2) Our welfare budget is totally out of control and needs trimming. We are currently paying some perfectly healthy households up to about £23k per year to sit at home and do nothing. That is backed up by people who work in the benefits offices themselves. That is indefensible. Totally and utterly indefensible. Why? Because we have disabled people, who need that money, being thrown to the wolves of PIP assessors. When maximum benefits were cut to this £23k level, those affected were howling and wailing against the "unfairness" of it all. These are the people who need to STFU. We are "helping" all the wrong people. It's not about deserving and undeserving poor. It is about those who genuinely need help and those who don't really need help but they will take it because it is being offered.
3) We have a culture of dependency and entitlement as a result of an incredibly generaous welfare state. How exactly is that benefitting those on welfare or the rest of society to be paying people so much welfare that they financially lose out by getting a job?
4) Point 3 has left us with a massive and toxic culture of "victim mentality". Although I am still an SNP voter for now, there is no doubt that they have played to the galleries on this. It's doing my head in and they need to stop it.
5) An inability for the left to discuss welfare without talking about "the rich". This is just intellectual bollox. Focus on one thing at a time. The size of the welfare budget is a problem. Not just financially but because of the effect it has on our culture (see points 3 and 4). If we want to discuss "the rich" I am happy to do so but not in a discussion about welfare. The two are unlinked.
A quick wander around online forums and I am beginning to think my dad was right. No religion and no politics.