Gary Blues

Deary me, reduced to petty insults now. Don't cry about it Stuart.

yeh, I heard you the first time as well

Dear oh dear. Some quality backtracking in that post Stuart. You began by saying that it was all about the community and now you are saying that it is about working "together for each others benefit" and giving something in return. Let's look at it this way - you are desperate to try and make out that the CIC is ALL about the community and not about St. Mirren. You are wrong. Everything you've posted here backs up my conclusion from that short paragraph!

The very first line states: "Do you want a successful St. Mirren". In my opinion that indicates a mission. Maybe I haven't read that carefully enough mind you. Again, looking at the document, it doesn't seem that way in my opinion. If what you are saying is correct you'd think the front page would be illustrated with nice pictures of the community in Paisley, etc. However, what it shows is a huge picture the St. Mirren FC club badge and photos of St. Mirren players, past & present. Again, in my opinion its all about the club and how the club can benefit the community.

The very first line states: "Do you want a successful St. Mirren". In my opinion that indicates a mission. Maybe I haven't read that carefully enough mind you. Again, looking at the document, it doesn't seem that way in my opinion. If what you are saying is correct you'd think the front page would be illustrated with nice pictures of the community in Paisley, etc. However, what it shows is a huge picture the St. Mirren FC club badge and photos of St. Mirren players, past & present. Again, in my opinion its all about the club and how the club can benefit the community.

In the quote in my post. I'll give it again as you appear to have difficulty reading. As I stated, its my opinion that this means that they will be working to, first of all, benefit the club (the club does get the mention before the wider community) and then the wider community. My opinion may be wrong but I can't really see how that sentence could be understood differently.

No. Its the £3.3m which is shown in the club's annual Report & Accounts. Are you suggesting that the auditors have signed off falsified accounts?

Taken from the 10000hours information document: There are quite clearly 2 seperate parts to this and in my opinion, the mission of the CIC is: 1. To buy a 52% controlling interest in St. Mirren FC and 2. Work to benefit the club firstly and also the wider community. It seems quite clear to me. Is Stuart Dickson saying that what is in this document is not true? Is garzo saying that this paragraph has no specific mention of St. Mirren?

Dear oh dear. Your insider knowledge lines were always the best. Mmmmm, Let's rewind the start point to where he took over a club that was £3.3 million in the red, was on the verge of going out of business, had a falling down stadium, no training ground and had spent a number of years in the First Division. What promise was this? Can you provide some figures?

There is no specific mention of St. Mirren? The VERY FIRST line in the initial information document on the 10000hours website states: "Do you want a successful St. Mirren". There are 33 specific mentions of St. Mirren in that document. Its you who clearly does not understand the model.

Code: unable to argue further Ok Stuart - I'll let you keep your misconceptions and in a years time we'll see which one of us was right. (BTW - remind us again how right you were about Gilmour killing the club and the team not getting ino the SPL and then being relegated every season thereafter?)

Yeh, I'm fully aware of that fact. Completely wrong - I have no idea where you are getting that from and, frankly, its complete bollocks. If you look at the CIC regulator website itself you will even see case studies of CICs where the members themselves pocket dividends from the profits of their business. The sole mission of 10000hours is to buy out the majority shareholding in St. Mirren FC Ltd in order to give the community an in interest in the club and to then make the club as successful as it can. Its got absolutely nothing at all to do with generating profits to reinvest in the community for facilities, projects, etc. Absolutely nothing at all.

Yeh, I've been having a look. The very first line of their information booklet states "Do you want a successful St. Mirren" Absolutely everything on their website talks about achieving success for St. Mirren as this will benefit the community.

Surely the BoDs of St. Mirren FC Ltd's legal duty is to do what is in the best interest of St. Mirren FC Ltd as a business and its shareholders (48% of whom will not be owned by the CIC)?

So if the mission isn't to make St. Mirren successful (as presumably that is the benefit to the community), what is the mission?