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You've beaten me I was waiting on one more but he never mentioned "managing the solution" :-(

You need Neil Doncaster for that. He's dead good with providing a quality product and maximising customer driven revenue projections in a solution-focused environment.

P45 imminent. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out Neil.

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I would rather see SG and the consortium stay on and the club set up a members scheme where those who can afford to and want to can support the club by giving £10 a month and in return the club can work with local businesses and groups to give members discounts at shops and services.... this way the club give back to the supporters and the supportes give to the club....

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I would rather see SG and the consortium stay on and the club set up a members scheme where those who can afford to and want to can support the club by giving £10 a month and in return the club can work with local businesses and groups to give members discounts at shops and services.... this way the club give back to the supporters and the supportes give to the club....

How often do SG and the other members of the consortium have to say that they want out, that they have had enough, that they can do without the hassle ..................?

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How often do SG and the other members of the consortium have to say that they want out, that they have had enough, that they can do without the hassle ..................?

He could just hand over the shares for free whistling.gif

But aye, I know, it's getting weary. Looking at Gilmour on Tuesday he looked as though the stress was getting to him, whilst George Campbell looked as though he was the youngest of the three! You'd think those who hero worship them would just realise that they want out and it's time to respect their wishes (whilst at the same time trying to ensure that the club gets the right group of people in to takeover the running of the club at the best possible price)

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Have to agree with anyone saying that the emphasis now has to be on finding solutions to the impending problem/problems that the club face. It's clear that we potentially face a step change akin to a cliff face with the finance model we're currently working to no longer applying. Whereas other clubs have wealthy benefactors that can turn that into a slope with ease, we sadly don't and have to look to take on that ourselves for the most part.

Aside from the obvious (renewed emphasis on ST & matchday ticket sales), there has to be as said previously a bit of blue sky thinking - the more ideas on this score the better.

One question worth asking (don't know if it was at the shareholder's meeting?) is are there any remaining unissued shares in the company? Speaking as someone who missed out on the previous rights issue in the '90s due to not being around then, I'd gladly take the opportunity of putting some money to the club for a very small amount (say 10-20) of shares, even if the total price I'd pay was considerably higher than the individual share price as set out by likes of the CIC's 1877 club scheme.

Short of that, is it worth asking if there could be any scope for a new rights issue itself? Yes the consortium would need to take some at their own expense to retain their 52% majority stake, but it could raise decent capital and when the current problems are negotiated they'd still be able to sell up.

On the issue of upping the CIC mandate assuming that cash goes to the club for a year or more...if anyone does that, great - personally I probably wouldn't be in a position to that as I'm already set to pay 2 DDs, though I would look to buy a few extra matchday tickets for home games for friends who aren't always able to go over the course of the season as & when I can.

I'd also suggest having a greater number of SMFC functions & events to raise money. I think an Xmas Auction coupled to a night at the stadium would be great fun for one thing, sort of like a smaller version of the player's dinner mid-season. A few things like that, lesser dinners with guest speakers done on a monthly basis or whatever.

Also, we could surely develop some more in-house merchandise lines - good quality stuff in strictly limited numbers. This will be something of a historic season after all, for obvious reasons.

Lets get some ideas out there. :)

How about suggesting to them that they mothball Ibrox when in D3 and they could groundshare for a reasonable rent ;)

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I hope It's not just me and you Poz.....these are strange times and strange things may happen but don't mention it to Shull.

No I see the positives in this as well.

This has sent a clear message to Celtic that actually the fans of the diddy clubs do have some balls after all and any nonsense from Celtic MIGHT see them suffer the same fate.

Celtic are now duty bound to start thinking about how lucky they are not to have folded like Rangers.

I agree with you. The boycott talks should now be stopped. Every remaining club needs to be supported now to prevent ex-Rangers fans from being able to say "told you so".

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He could just hand over the shares for free whistling.gif

But aye, I know, it's getting weary. Looking at Gilmour on Tuesday he looked as though the stress was getting to him, whilst George Campbell looked as though he was the youngest of the three! You'd think those who hero worship them would just realise that they want out and it's time to respect their wishes (whilst at the same time trying to ensure that the club gets the right group of people in to takeover the running of the club at the best possible price)

I think he has no choice.

You cannot tell everyone with ears that the club is facing administration and then put your hand out for £1.5 million.

That would be laughable.

That's the worst thing out of all of this.

Doncaster has effectively told every TV broadcaster that we are desperate.

That is NOT a great place to start negotiating from.

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Maybe the CiC would be prepared to make a Statement similar to the one made by the Hibs Supporters' Association.........

Hibernian Supporter's Association Statement

For Hibs and their fans this summer should have been solely about a much needed rebuilding process.

Instead we have watched with increasing concern as the whole Scottish game has been tarnished by the financial collapse of Rangers.

As Hibs fans we know only too well how men concerned more with profiteering than the wishes of fans can risk the very existence of a football club.

So it is with increasing dismay that we have watched Scottish football tear itself apart in its attempts to protect a business model that operates more for the benefit of TV executives than ordinary supporters.

We believe that the new Rangers - if they can satisfy the usual standards demanded for SFA membership - should start out again in the Third Division.

We welcomed the "no" vote passed by the SPL, including our own club, but we have watched with dismay as the SPL clubs have stood silently on the sidelines as their own Chief Executive - with the help and approval of a now entirely discredited SFA - has tried to bully and threaten lower division clubs into submission.

Not only do we find the tactics used by Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan abhorrent, we also take issue with the doomsday scenarios they have offered as evidence.

While TV money and corporate sponsorship are undoubtedly important we do not believe that all of them would vanish if the Rangers newco was not guaranteed a place in the SPL within 12 months.

We would also argue that additional benefits - including a return to more regular 3pm Saturday kick off times - would offset some of the lost revenue.

This, however, is an issue that should go beyond finances.

It is essential that Hibernian - like all clubs - are part of a fair and equitable league structure with governing bodies that are consistent and reasonable in their treatment of all clubs.

We do not believe that is currently the case and we would call on all SPL clubs - including our own - to urgently address the damage being done to the game by Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan.

We have long felt that reconstruction of the league structure was a critical factor in strengthening the Scottish game.

The proposals that are currently being discussed destroy the prospect of a strong Scottish game and are aimed solely at rebuilding a strong Rangers.

These attempts at craven gerrymandering for the sake of one club are an affront to all the commitments to "sporting integrity" we have heard over the last few months.

Many Hibernian fans feel cheated. While the financial sacrifices made at Easter Road have not always found favour with many of our fans we do appreciate that these decisions have been made in the interests of long term stability.

We now find our voices ignored as rules are broken or rewritten to favour a club that has spent money it could not afford to buy success.

It is heartbreaking for us to hear members speak of not going back to Easter Road or of turning their back on the Scottish national team.

These are not hollow threats. They are a symptom of the disillusionment many fans feel at a game that seems to constantly betray its paying customers.

While we have sympathy for ordinary Rangers fans left bewildered by current events we have also been saddened over the last few months to hear Ally McCoist attempt to destroy a disciplinary process that had been created to help move the game forward.

Other comments from high profile Rangers figures such as Sandy Jardine have seemed to be nothing more than vindictive threats against other clubs. These have left us shocked and angered.

Now we find ourselves in the unacceptable position of watching Charles Green attempt to sign players while footballing debts to other clubs - debts that are as important as any projected TV or sponsorship income - remain unpaid.

Yet this apparent lack of contrition is being ignored as the Scottish football authorities unite to do what they feel is best for just one club.

We would hope that the European and global footballing authorities are watching these developments with interest and will move to censure the Scottish governing bodies.

Hibernian Football Club is our passion. We want to see a strong Hibs on the pitch and off the pitch. We want to see a sustainable Hibernian at the heart of our community.

22 years ago we united as fans to save Hibernian.

Today we find ourselves united in calling for Scottish football to end the current uncertainty, withdraw the current campaign of bullying and threats aimed at our friends in the Scottish Football League and allow Rangers to rebuild their devastated club from the Third Division.

Fans of other clubs have been accused of "hating" Rangers.

We are defined not by hatred of any club but by our love of Hibernian.

A strong Hibernian in a strong Scottish game will forever be our one and only aim.

A few men motivated by greed and money currently risk that vision.

Fans of Hibernian and every other club cannot stand silently by and let that happen.

Hibernian F.C. Supporters Association

08/07/2012

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