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Bollocks. You have not been following or understanding the comments or do not have enough common sense to work it out. You can choose which.

I am referring to games (the vast majority) of which the stadium is less than half full (in only 3 Home games this season has there been more than 3k fans in an 8k stadium). So if my mate is in the main stand or I am taking a child then I can go to the other stands using my season ticket and sit in an unreserved seat. The ticket system knows at any point how many seats have been sold in every stand and how many empty seats there are. If the police or club want to stop entry then they can do so easily and automatically. If empty seats were suddenly filling up for any special wierd reason then I would expect to only have entry to the West stand.

For the Dumbarton game (opening game of the season) I did not sit in my season ticket seat anyway as I took a relative and all the seats around me are season ticket seats so we sat elsewhere in the West stand. Others around me do the same if they bring along a non-regular supporter. For the game against the **** I will be in my usual seat as I would not want to deprive a fellow Buddie of a seat but I bet there are still loads of empty seats for the Home fans.

I am not contesting the idea that you should be able to sit in any of the stands at a match with your season ticket purchase. As you've said the ticket reader is perfectly capable of knowing the numbers in each stand and denying access when a stand is full. The absurd part of your post was the fact that you want "your" seat reserved whilst also wanting to be able to sit elsewhere. You've only paid admission once, you should only have one seat!

The best system would be to scrap any concept of seat reservation at the stadium. It's a negative marketing concept and it is definitely a hindrance to attracting new supporters to the club as you clearly understand. It's just you want it both ways and that is simply stupid.

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You really are obnoxious and can see why you are loathed by many on this forum. As a non fan and all things St Mirren hater I see no reason why you post here. Consider another ignoring your anti Saints and political blustering.

Oi! Watch it! You nearly hit me with that towel when you threw it in. :rolleyes:

Don't blame you though. You were only making an arse of yourself.

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I've said it before, I'll say it again, make it a flat rate entry of £10 or £20 for the 'dear' seats. See them come back... Oh and a bit more of an onfield performance might help in that respect too...

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You know what, it is pointless having any reasoned discussion with you. My point was pretty clear in that it related to the issue of talent. If you cannot understand what I wrorpte then leave things there.

I'm not a pedant, but... :rolleyes:

....even I cannot understand THAT.

Do not disagree with Herr Dixon,as I pointed out on another thread.

Learn how to IGNORE him.

He corrected me on this thread - devoted to BBC figures about Scottish fitba supporting costs -suggesting I was wrong.

I noted that my statement had been quoting the BBC figures.... But of course, he knows better. The BBC is less right than he is.

It has always been thus.

He could spew shite even up against Shanks of Borrheid, and wear them down.

(To be fair, he probably was right... a decade ago. He is not quite current. But why change attitudes that served you well a century ago? )

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I'm not a pedant, but... rolleyes.gif

....even I cannot understand THAT.

Do not disagree with Herr Dixon,as I pointed out on another thread.

Learn how to IGNORE him.

He corrected me on this thread - devoted to BBC figures about Scottish fitba supporting costs -suggesting I was wrong.

I noted that my statement had been quoting the BBC figures.... But of course, he knows better. The BBC is less right than he is.

It has always been thus.

He could spew shite even up against Shanks of Borrheid, and wear them down.

(To be fair, he probably was right... a decade ago. He is not quite current. But why change attitudes that served you well a century ago? )

I'm not a pedant, but... rolleyes.gif

....even I cannot understand THAT.

Do not disagree with Herr Dixon,as I pointed out on another thread.

Learn how to IGNORE him.

He corrected me on this thread - devoted to BBC figures about Scottish fitba supporting costs -suggesting I was wrong.

I noted that my statement had been quoting the BBC figures.... But of course, he knows better. The BBC is less right than he is.

It has always been thus.

He could spew shite even up against Shanks of Borrheid, and wear them down.

(To be fair, he probably was right... a decade ago. He is not quite current. But why change attitudes that served you well a century ago? )

There is a deep problem with his character that probably goes back to his school days maybe he was unfortunate to be bullied , or no one listened to him including his parents now we are all paying the price for his misfortune. Stuart should seek medical help because their is a fix for everything these days.

Used to be when you could not spell you were called stupid. Then someone else who could not spell came up with a medical term called dyslectic now its a stupid dyslectic I mean come on make up your mind.

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In terms of moving your seat to a different stand for a game it's not been a problem for me. If you call the ticket office they can void your season ticket for one game and give you a paper ticket for the other stand. At least that's what they did for me when I took my nephew to the family stand.

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There is a deep problem with his character that probably goes back to his school days maybe he was unfortunate to be bullied , or no one listened to him including his parents now we are all paying the price for his misfortune. Stuart should seek medical help because their is a fix for everything these days.

Used to be when you could not spell you were called stupid. Then someone else who could not spell came up with a medical term called dyslectic now its a stupid dyslectic I mean come on make up your mind.

Ffs, grow up mate.

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The German example is a bit of a chicken and egg thing. German tickets are cheap because of their massive (comparative) TV deals. Yes the product is fantastic and yes tickets are cheaper than ours but it's the TV deals that are allowing their clubs to let fans if for a lot less. The EPL could do likewise but choose not to. At the end of the day clubs charge as much as they can get away with and as has been stated earlier in the thread anyone who does pay the prices can't really complain. You choose to pay it or stay away.

The German TV deal is not that lucrative Tam. Last season Cologne, for example, made €21m from TV revenue. Hull City made €93m. Even Bayern Munich at €50m trail miles behind the poorest EPL clubs.

I think it's just a case that the clubs are majority owned by fans and they have decided to fill their stadiums and not fleece the fans. The outcome being they can't compete with English and Spanish clubs on transfer fees, but hey ho, does mean you get to win the World Cup.

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The German TV deal is not that lucrative Tam. Last season Cologne, for example, made €21m from TV revenue. Hull City made €93m. Even Bayern Munich at €50m trail miles behind the poorest EPL clubs.

I think it's just a case that the clubs are majority owned by fans and they have decided to fill their stadiums and not fleece the fans. The outcome being they can't compete with English and Spanish clubs on transfer fees, but hey ho, does mean you get to win the World Cup.

Cost of football, costs in football or fiscal mis management more like in their case...............Hull have just recently announced losses of £77m. That is the economic madness that encircles uk , nae, English football these days.As long as TV co's throw stoopit money at it, the dafties will spend it like there is no tomorrow. What other industry could ever justify a wage to turnover ratio like that of football clubs, pure madness....................priorities all wrong.

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The problem is that youth/boys clubs are not producing as much talent as they used to. It might be to do with the fact that there is a larger selection other things to do now compared to years ago and a lot of the talented ones are not even playing these days, or it could be coaching methods at boys club level, or lack of investment, or ...

Whatever it is, in general, the best these days are just not up to the level of previous generations.

Thats bollocks and shows a complete lack of understanding of what is happening in youth football in Scotland.

Coaching standards at grassroots level have actually improved. How do we know this? Well the SYFA have implemented minimum standards. Every member team has to have one coach qualified to 1.2 standard, and another to 1.1 standard and each team has to have a qualified Sports injury first aider. Each coach has to renew their qualifications too every three years. Clubs have to a player protection officer. Anyone involved as a volunteer within those clubs has to be police checked. There's also a Charter Mark scheme which has been put in place that means that member clubs wanting access to - for example - National Lottery funding has to be able to demonstrate it's safety policies, sound financial management, it needs to demonstrate that it is accessible to all members of the community, including disabled, and it needs to have coaches qualified up to 1.5 level overseeing the coaching standards at the club, and it needs to have specialist coaches - like goalkeeping coaches - in their ranks.

If Scottish Football had ignored Henry McLeish's bollocks report and had we not wasted time and money on that idiot Mark Wotte, and instead put much of the grassroots sponsorship money that the SFA were taking in from the likes of McDonalds and Lloyds TSB into facilities up and down the country standards would have improved massively as a result of action being taken by the SYFA. However instead we followed a practice of throwing all of that money into "Elite" football awarding the vast majority of the money to the likes of Murray Park, Lennoxtown, and even into Ralston and we followed a path that meant young players who had been developed into promising 8, 9 and 10 year olds were to be removed from the friends, their coaches that had worked so well with them, and from their local communities into clubs where they were often seen as nothing more than shirt fillers for a pro youth system that has badly failed our game. All too often those kids, who are there to make up the numbers, are left with limited game time, put under pressure by coaches and parents, and then eventually released demoralised and shattered with the sport.

We are NOT talking about a sport where there are fewer numbers playing every week. The number of leagues, clubs and teams across all age groups at SYFA level proves that point. In actual fact we, in Scotland, have never before seen these levels of involvement in an organised and official level at any other time in the history of our national sport. The problem is that there still isn't the facilities to support ALL who want to play, and we've been seduced into a system where we throttle talent at an early age.

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Thats bollocks and shows a complete lack of understanding of what is happening in youth football in Scotland.

Coaching standards at grassroots level have actually improved. How do we know this? Well the SYFA have implemented minimum standards. Every member team has to have one coach qualified to 1.2 standard, and another to 1.1 standard and each team has to have a qualified Sports injury first aider. Each coach has to renew their qualifications too every three years. Clubs have to a player protection officer. Anyone involved as a volunteer within those clubs has to be police checked. There's also a Charter Mark scheme which has been put in place that means that member clubs wanting access to - for example - National Lottery funding has to be able to demonstrate it's safety policies, sound financial management, it needs to demonstrate that it is accessible to all members of the community, including disabled, and it needs to have coaches qualified up to 1.5 level overseeing the coaching standards at the club, and it needs to have specialist coaches - like goalkeeping coaches - in their ranks.

If Scottish Football had ignored Henry McLeish's bollocks report and had we not wasted time and money on that idiot Mark Wotte, and instead put much of the grassroots sponsorship money that the SFA were taking in from the likes of McDonalds and Lloyds TSB into facilities up and down the country standards would have improved massively as a result of action being taken by the SYFA. However instead we followed a practice of throwing all of that money into "Elite" football awarding the vast majority of the money to the likes of Murray Park, Lennoxtown, and even into Ralston and we followed a path that meant young players who had been developed into promising 8, 9 and 10 year olds were to be removed from the friends, their coaches that had worked so well with them, and from their local communities into clubs where they were often seen as nothing more than shirt fillers for a pro youth system that has badly failed our game. All too often those kids, who are there to make up the numbers, are left with limited game time, put under pressure by coaches and parents, and then eventually released demoralised and shattered with the sport.

We are NOT talking about a sport where there are fewer numbers playing every week. The number of leagues, clubs and teams across all age groups at SYFA level proves that point. In actual fact we, in Scotland, have never before seen these levels of involvement in an organised and official level at any other time in the history of our national sport. The problem is that there still isn't the facilities to support ALL who want to play, and we've been seduced into a system where we throttle talent at an early age.

I would agree that the coaching is where it's all going wrong. From what I've seen (and that's not a lot) youngsters have flair and competitive edge trained out of them from a young age. How often do you see a player in Scotland making a mazey run and putting the ball in the top corner a la Archie Gemmell. Most coaches would have him making a pass 20 yards behind him when he got the ball to avoid the other team from having a chance of getting the ball. I can't imagine the pelters Stevie Mallan would have got back in the dressing room for taking on the Dundee team last season.

The other thing that I think is a major problem is players who only use the same foot. If you can't use two defenders will play you down the wrong side. Play with two feet and they have a decision to make.

There you go, I have fixed Scottish Football. Do I get a prize? punk.gif

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