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On 11/21/2016 at 7:03 PM, div said:

He inherited a shambolic Alloa Athletic side, ironically one built by Danny Lennon. They were already doomed when he took over and despite a marked improvement they were relegated.

The next season, having built his own team with his own players to suit the system he wants to play, which is a high tempo, high energy pressing game, the Wasps won their opening 12 games of the season.

I have to say that gives me hope that the gaffer can trade well.

 

How did Jack Ross do in the January window last season, when he was sitting bottom of the league and with no money to spend? That's what he will be working with again this season, and should we go down at the end of the season he'll have huge budget cuts to contend with again.

Tommy Craig had a better win and draw rate!

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What do you suggest? Bring in another manager. 


You see relegation as a sign of progress & success ?

The Ross record is worse than many other previous managers , it's not working out ( yet ? )

Still , how many more defeats is okay & reason to keep going ?

FFS
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On 21/11/2016 at 7:03 PM, div said:

He inherited a shambolic Alloa Athletic side, ironically one built by Danny Lennon. They were already doomed when he took over and despite a marked improvement they were relegated.

The next season, having built his own team with his own players to suit the system he wants to play, which is a high tempo, high energy pressing game, the Wasps won their opening 12 games of the season.

I have to say that gives me hope that the gaffer can trade well.

We're not playing THAT badly at the moment, but we're getting no luck at all and individual mistakes are costing us every week. See Langfield versus Dumbarton and then the glaring miss from Sutton against Dunfermline.

It really is fine lines in this division. I hope Jack can juggle the pack a bit in January and give us some fresh impetus. The challenge he now has is that unless we can improve results before the window opens, with the players we already have, it could well be too late.

So your blaming Ross for today's defeat?

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4 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

How did Jack Ross do in the January window last season, when he was sitting bottom of the league and with no money to spend? That's what he will be working with again this season, and should we go down at the end of the season he'll have huge budget cuts to contend with again.

Tommy Craig had a better win and draw rate!

With all due respect to Alloa, we are at this moment in time, still a bigger draw than Alloa and i hope there will be quite a few comings and goings in January.

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6 minutes ago, TopCat said:

 


If we get relegated, yes.

 

Although there are still loads of points left to play for, for as long as Jack Ross's 0% success rate continues we are beginning to run out of time. We are almost at that point where as well as St Mirren needing to draw and win games to avoid the drop we need teams who are 10-12 points clear of us to lose most of their games as well.

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Although there are still loads of points left to play for, for as long as Jack Ross's 0% success rate continues we are beginning to run out of time. We are almost at that point where as well as St Mirren needing to draw and win games to avoid the drop we need teams who are 10-12 points clear of us to lose most of their games as well.




Indeed, barring a miracle we are down.
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2 minutes ago, proudtobeabuddy said:

With all due respect to Alloa, we are at this moment in time, still a bigger draw than Alloa and i hope there will be quite a few comings and goings in January.

Alloa probably had more points on the board by this point in the season than we currently do. 4 points by 3rd December. League record under Jack Ross: 6 defeats, 0 draws, 0 wins, for 2, against 12.

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21 minutes ago, TopCat said:

 

 


Patience even if we get relegated...?

 

Yup!

My opinion with TC, IM and AR was that all three should be given till December and I'd have been happy to see GT be given that option also at the send of 2014/15.

AR was sacked too early and I predicted that JR would end up tainted if he was unable to lift us out of relegation trouble. Even so if we get relegated and I reckon that's the most likely outcome this season I'd give the current management team till next December.

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4 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

Yup!

My opinion with TC, IM and AR was that all three should be given till December and I'd have been happy to see GT be given that option also at the send of 2014/15.

AR was sacked too early and I predicted that JR would end up tainted if he was unable to lift us out of relegation trouble. Even so if we get  relegated and I reckon that's the most likely outcome this season I'd give the current management team till next December.

Normally I am in favour of backing the manager, and I would love to see Jack Ross turn things around. That said, I don't think his 0% record in the league could realistically continue until the end of December. He has had a better squad to work with than Alex Rae had this season (Quinn, MacKenzie, Gordon and McAllister have all been fit enough to play league games for Ross) and is doing a lot worse results wise than Rae with a bigger squad to choose from.

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Need to check the bookies and see what the odds are for not winning a league game all season. I hate saying it but with the way way we have been so far, I can't see a win in sight.

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Yup!

My opinion with TC, IM and AR was that all three should be given till December and I'd have been happy to see GT be given that option also at the send of 2014/15.

AR was sacked too early and I predicted that JR would end up tainted if he was unable to lift us out of relegation trouble. Even so if we get  relegated and I reckon that's the most likely outcome this season I'd give the current management team till next December.



Maybe what will happen is Jack Ross will take us down without a whimper, actually extending the gap between us and safety in his tenure. Then have us 3rd in league 1 in October next year. Then a bigger club will come in and appoint him.

Sounds mad doesn't it? Yeah it is. But that's exactly what happened when we took him from Alloa.

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4 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

Normally I am in favour of backing the manager, and I would love to see Jack Ross turn things around. That said, I don't think his 0% record in the league could realistically continue until the end of December. He has had a better squad to work with than Alex Rae had this season (Quinn, MacKenzie, Gordon and McAllister have all been fit enough to play league games for Ross) and is doing a lot worse results wise than Rae with a bigger squad to choose from.

FFS... Give the guy a transfer window at least to sort out this disaster of a squad he's inherited.. 

Actually I'm fully convinced we wont be relegated this season, we're St Mirren we don't do 3rd tier's.. EVER.

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3 minutes ago, scrappy coco said:

FFS... Give the guy a transfer window at least to sort out this disaster of a squad he's inherited.. 

Actually I'm fully convinced we wont be relegated this season, we're St Mirren we don't do 3rd tier's.. EVER.

How did Ross do in the January transfer window last season at Alloa, who were in a similar position? (Actually they probably had more points than we did at the moment).

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22 minutes ago, TopCat said:

 

 


Wish I shared your optimism! What's it based on exactly?

It's based on improved performances, albeit not showing in results so far. It's based on he didn't have the luxury of a pre season to get his philosophy over to the players and finally he hasn't had a transfer window to play with. Let's judge him come the end of the season. Rae was more interested in watching his beloved Rangers on a Friday night than pondering over tactics for ours, he had a transfer window and a pre season and we were still shite.

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25 minutes ago, Dibbles old paperboy said:

Alloa probably had more points on the board by this point in the season than we currently do. 4 points by 3rd December. League record under Jack Ross: 6 defeats, 0 draws, 0 wins, for 2, against 12.

Huge transfer window for us then isn't it?

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It's based on improved performances, albeit not showing in results so far. It's based on he didn't have the luxury of a pre season to get his philosophy over to the players and finally he hasn't had a transfer window to play with. Let's judge him come the end of the season. Rae was more interested in watching his beloved Rangers on a Friday night than pondering over tactics for ours, he had a transfer window and a pre season and we were still shite.



If we're not picking up points performances haven't improved. Simple as that.

For all Rae being shite he done more with the squad than what Ross has.
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1 minute ago, gc_SMFC said:

 


If we're not picking up points performances haven't improved. Simple as that.

For all Rae being shite he done more with the squad than what Ross has.

So far... But as i stated he hasn't had the luxury of a full pre season to implement tactics, try and build a squad etc... He needs time and our BOD will give him it...absolute cert.

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5 minutes ago, TopCat said:

 

 


Maybe what will happen is Jack Ross will take us down without a whimper, actually extending the gap between us and safety in his tenure. Then have us 3rd in league 1 in October next year. Then a bigger club will come in and appoint him.

Sounds mad doesn't it? Yeah it is. But that's exactly what happened when we took him from Alloa.

 

Yeah maybe all that will come to pass, although I reckon that's a poor analogy as nobody would see us being 3rd in the First Division as being reason enough to poach Ross, indeed it'd be closer to sacking form by that stage.

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I also remember you saying this prior to the last Morton game

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I think we will lose tonight but to resign ourselves to the relegation playoffs at best if we do is quite clearly ridiculous.

On the basis of our form prior to that game and the defeat that night there was no reason to assume that we would be able to turn things around quickly, now I see you are saying

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Indeed, barring a miracle we are down.

I didn't want AR sacked, when he was my choice would have been Dumbarton manager Steve Aitken but we are where we are and I reckon we've got to assume that relegation is the most likely outcome this season and give JR & JF till next December.

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If we're not picking up points performances haven't improved. Simple as that.

For all Rae being shite he done more with the squad than what Ross has.



From what I've seen performances haven't improved at all. Cappielow was the worst performance of the season. Infact Cappielow was the worst performance I've seen from St Mirren in 25 years.

At home to Dumbarton and Dunfermline we dominated the ball, but that was mainly due to us conceding and chasing the game whilst our struggling opponents sat back.

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I didn't want AR sacked, when he was my choice would have been Dumbarton manager Steve Aitken but we are where we are and I reckon we've got to assume that relegation is the most likely outcome this season and give JR & JF till next December.




That was before the Morton game months ago. I certainly never foreseen us losing at home to both Dumbarton and Dunfermline after that, did you?

Even though we have lost all these games, we could still stay up. We need investment and a miracle. In all likelihood we will get neither, but it doesn't mean it's impossible.

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10 minutes ago, TopCat said:

 

 


From what I've seen performances haven't improved at all. Cappielow was the worst performance of the season. Infact Cappielow was the worst performance I've seen from St Mirren in 25 years.

At home to Dumbarton and Dunfermline we dominated the ball, but that was mainly due to us conceding and chasing the game whilst our struggling opponents sat back.

 

 

Im not trying to be argumentative here mate like you i want to see a way out of this hole. Replacing the manager is not the way forward this time. He needs backing from the board. Make no mistake if we go down it will be part time football as such we will be struck  there for a while. Seen it all before and its terrible i for one have got that tea shirt which i will not wear again im not living in Paisley anymore to go and watch rubbish is a hassle traveling. Im sure there will be many more like me. Can Gordon Scott afford for that to happen ? I hope not. 

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If we throw money at the team in January, which we should but won't. We narrow the pitch, and realise the most effective way for us to play football is putting the ball directly into dangerous areas for the opposition, whilst pressuring that area to force the opposition to start making the mistakes. We might start getting results.

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Didn't the chief engineer of the Titanic once say 'she can't sink' and in sheer desperation stayed with the boat until it went under. I'd love to be able to share the optimism that we won't go down but without a single win and a couple of draws all season I don't see anything so far to give me any optimism that we won't go anywhere but down, and it hurts to say it

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