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The Run In - Championship 2016/2017

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2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

I genuinely cannot understand the mentality of anyone giving up before it is necessary to do so.

Some fans had given up by December!!!

There is plenty of time to recover this.

Are people scared to hope for safety in case we end up getting relegated anyway and suffer greater pain as a result?

That would be a typically Scottish way to look at things but bloody hell what a depressing way to live.

I would rather go down fighting than simply lie down and give up.

The last line - can someone tell the team this, I'm not sure they get it.

Edit: If someone can show me where they've displayed any battling qualities in the league so far, please let me know in case I have missed it. If the team contained a DVZ, a Shuggie, a Kirk Broadfoot or a Billy Abercromby - I know I'd have at least seen them put up a fight, even if higher skill levels of other teams saw the St Mirren side they were in be in the same position as the current St Mirren side. Maybe the new signings will provide some fight, but frankly, they probably needed to find us on a map, and they have been somewhat chucked into short-term deals at a struggling club. Christ, even Jens Paeslack had a game where he was a warrior playing on with a fractured leg. (Adopts Delia Smith slurred speech directed at current squad...where are you? Let's be having you...)

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3 hours ago, div said:

Every club at our level is a selling club.

Every club at our level, in 2017, is offering short term contracts and relying on loan signings here and there to get quality they couldn't otherwise afford.

This is the financially bereft football landscape of Scottish Football that we live in.

That's why our January form is worrying, the days when you could build a team incrementally over a couple of seasons are gone. One way or another it's gonna be all change again at the summer and whoever is in charge will have to put a team together capable of getting good results from week 1 - is JR the man to do that?

3 hours ago, div said:

I think we CAN beat Ayr in both games, yes. We've already beaten them twice this season and should really have wont the most recent encounter too.

That said, it's kind of difficult to judge either way as if you look at the team that last played Ayr as recently as that game on December 17th you'll find that only 4 of the starting XI started at Dumbarton at the weekend (MacKenzie, Irvine, Magennis and Morgan).

This is a new team in pretty much every regard. They have played one match with every one of the new boys available. All we have is blind faith as nobody knows whether this team will be significantly better or worse than the group that went before it.

We could just give up now, or keep believing. I prefer the latter option.

My interpretation of the sentences in red is that the turnover in players which was being celebrated a fortnight ago is now being used as an excuse for the continued mediocre form under JR.

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I agree with the view that we shouldn't concede anything before the upcoming Ayr game, but not even victory there will guarantee anything. Interestingly we've got back to back games against Ayr and Dumbarton at the start of April reminiscent of the situation Gary Teale faced a couple of seasons ago. Hopefully it'll turn out differently for the club.

 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

That's why our January form is worrying, the days when you could build a team incrementally over a couple of seasons are gone. One way or another it's gonna be all change again at the summer and whoever is in charge will have to put a team together capable of getting good results from week 1 - is JR the man to do that?

My interpretation of the sentences in red is that the turnover in players which was being celebrated a fortnight ago is now being used as an excuse for the continued mediocre form under JR.

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I agree with the view that we shouldn't concede anything before the upcoming Ayr game, but not even victory there will guarantee anything. Interestingly we've got back to back games against Ayr and Dumbarton at the start of April reminiscent of the situation Gary Teale faced a couple of seasons ago. Hopefully it'll turn out differently for the club.

 

 

 

 

Indeed it is.

I would have thought it was obvious that we do not have time for the settling in period/gelling and the manager would have made every player aware the fightback started last week.

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16 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

That's why our January form is worrying, the days when you could build a team incrementally over a couple of seasons are gone. One way or another it's gonna be all change again at the summer and whoever is in charge will have to put a team together capable of getting good results from week 1 - is JR the man to do that?

My interpretation of the sentences in red is that the turnover in players which was being celebrated a fortnight ago is now being used as an excuse for the continued mediocre form under JR.

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I agree with the view that we shouldn't concede anything before the upcoming Ayr game, but not even victory there will guarantee anything. Interestingly we've got back to back games against Ayr and Dumbarton at the start of April reminiscent of the situation Gary Teale faced a couple of seasons ago. Hopefully it'll turn out differently for the club.

Not making any excuses at all. I thought we played ok at the weekend for what it's worth.

What I'm saying is we've had the whole collective new squad available for one game. Even in that game we were without Mallan and Loy who would arguably have started.

One game at a time and all that, but I'm definitely far from giving up.

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1 minute ago, div said:

Not making any excuses at all. I thought we played ok at the weekend for what it's worth.

What I'm saying is we've had the whole collective new squad available for one game. Even in that game we were without Mallan and Loy who would arguably have started.

One game at a time and all that, but I'm definitely far from giving up.

OK so we had two players missing but Dumbarton could only field 5 substitutes - a good manager's got to be able to improvise. In itself Saturday's result isn't a disaster but it wasn't the improvement we needed to close the gap.

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4 hours ago, div said:

One game at a time and all that, but I'm definitely far from giving up.

It's a cliche, but this really does sum up our current situation. There's an awful lot of talk going on along the lines of...'If Ayr beat Dumbarton and we beat Ayr, and if Dundee United can beat Dumbarton and you take away the number you first thought of, then yer' auntie would definitely have baws' and if Dunfermline could beat Hibs then we'd be two points behind by April 3rd....'

 

My head hurts. Too many ifs buts and maybes. Try to predict it all you like, who would have predicted Dumbarton to beat Dundee United a few weeks ago, or for Ayr to get anything at Easter Road? Way, way too many 'if' situations being worked out. All we can do is to try and win the next game, never mind anything else, or anyone's auntie growing a pair.

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We have no form.  The mini revival and good play of December is long gone. The lads re new will they gel?  Hopefully.  However the problem is that we have two wins all season.  I understand the manager needs time and has decided to twist. I do not believe tho that since he came in he should only have two wins. It's not good enough and he will acknowledge this. I really hope we pull this off.  If we do it will be the catalyst to much better things. If we don't I do worry about us and the from talking to mates who supported rangers in lower leagues they say league one is horrible.  one described the championship as la ligaments in comparison.  scary times 

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The league is tightening up. Raith sack manager. QOS previously sacked manager and St Mirren Sacked manager earlier this season. 3 down so far. 12 points cover a number of teams below 5th.

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On ‎16‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 8:43 AM, St.Ricky said:

The league fixtures for the run in are shown below. 

For what it is worth (not a lot), I feel we can get 21 - 25 points.

6 Wins, 7 Draws, 2 Losses

Self evident that key games will be V Dumbarton and Ayr United.

28-Jan-2017 Falkirk Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt (Lost, zero points)
04-Feb-2017 Dumbarton Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts (Draw, 1 point)
18-Feb-2017 Dundee United Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt (Game postponed)
25-Feb-2017 Ayr United Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts (Won, 3 points)
01-Mar-2017 Hibernian Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 7:45pm - 1 pt
04-Mar-2017 Raith Rovers Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
11-Mar-2017 Dunfermline Athletic Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
18-Mar-2017 Queen of the South Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 0 pt
25-Mar-2017 Morton Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
01-Apr-2017 Ayr United Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
08-Apr-2017 Dumbarton Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
15-Apr-2017 Falkirk Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
22-Apr-2017 Dundee United Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 0 pt 
29-Apr-2017 Raith Rovers Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pt
06-May-2017 Hibernian Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
           
         

 

 

Well, Ricky is getting back on track with is brave predictions from some weeks ago.

We now have 4 points from the 3 games, he had predicted 7.

My predictions are lost in the sin bin but I think I've called them all correct so far. :rolleyes:

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Don't like predicting how the rest of the season points but looking at that list off fixtures starting with hibs n finishing with hibs I see a possible 21 points that's only if the team are up for it n up for the battle 

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2 hours ago, spoogy1 said:

Don't like predicting how the rest of the season points but looking at that list off fixtures starting with hibs n finishing with hibs I see a possible 21 points that's only if the team are up for it n up for the battle 

I don't think anyone who has seen the team over the last 4 games can fault the effort. 

Yes, we are far from perfect. There has been sustained lulls during the three games preceding yesterday but in all of these games, there's been a fire there. The heads haven't dropped in the face of adversity. I have seen enough in the past month to conclude that there's a fire in the belly that has swept in with the new guys. 

In Eckersley and Davis we have two guys who are showing they are exceptionally disciplined, organised and do nothing mental or risky and our defence has benefitted greatly from that. These two guys have been every bit as influential to the side as the joy to behold that is Stephen McGinn. 

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3 hours ago, djchapsticks said:

I don't think anyone who has seen the team over the last 4 games can fault the effort. 

Yes, we are far from perfect. There has been sustained lulls during the three games preceding yesterday but in all of these games, there's been a fire there. The heads haven't dropped in the face of adversity. I have seen enough in the past month to conclude that there's a fire in the belly that has swept in with the new guys. 

In Eckersley and Davis we have two guys who are showing they are exceptionally disciplined, organised and do nothing mental or risky and our defence has benefitted greatly from that. These two guys have been every bit as influential to the side as the joy to behold that is Stephen McGinn. 

I'm not faulting the effort or desire off the team but as everyone knows fatigue kicks in near the end off the season. And we have 10 days with 4 games so tiredness will be a battle in itself with the pkayers , but they are facing a uphill task that we the fans should be encouraging them but we have the usual boo boys when things don't go our way, I ain't having a dig at them but it only sames that the team prefer to play away with our support being in full voice  

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If you are in a pickle at work and you want to get out the mess you don't look ahead. You deal and concentrate with the immediate problem. In other words one game at a time needs full concentration. Looking further ahead just puts further pressure on you which does not help the step by step process of getting out the pickle:) 

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If you are in a pickle at work and you want to get out the mess you don't look ahead. You deal and concentrate with the immediate problem. In other words one game at a time needs full concentration. Looking further ahead just puts further pressure on you which does not help the step by step process of getting out the pickle:) 


I like pickle.

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On ‎16‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 8:43 AM, St.Ricky said:

The league fixtures for the run in are shown below. 

For what it is worth (not a lot), I feel we can get 21 - 25 points.

6 Wins, 7 Draws, 2 Losses

Self evident that key games will be V Dumbarton and Ayr United.

28-Jan-2017 Falkirk Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt (Lost 0 points)
04-Feb-2017 Dumbarton Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts (Draw, 1 point)
18-Feb-2017 Dundee United Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt (Won, 3 points) :thumbs2
25-Feb-2017 Ayr United Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts (Won 3 points):thumbs2
01-Mar-2017 Hibernian Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 7:45pm - 1 pt (Won 3 points):thumbs2
04-Mar-2017 Raith Rovers Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt (lost, 0 points)
11-Mar-2017 Dunfermline Athletic Home   Ladbrokes Championship

Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts (Draw, 1 point)

18-Mar-2017 Queen of the South Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 0 pt (Won, 3 points):thumbs2
25-Mar-2017 Morton Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
01-Apr-2017 Ayr United Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
08-Apr-2017 Dumbarton Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
15-Apr-2017 Falkirk Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
22-Apr-2017 Dundee United Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 0 pt 
29-Apr-2017 Raith Rovers Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pt
06-May-2017 Hibernian Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
           
         

 

 

14points from the last 8 league games.

Much better and seriously puts pressure on the teams, especially Ayr, above us.

Ricky predicted 13, pretty damn reasonable to be honest, albeit in a roundabout way.

7 games to go.

UPDATED 19/3/17

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On ‎08‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 10:14 PM, faraway saint said:

8 points from the last 6 league games.

Not too shoddy, if we weren't stuck at the bottom of the league.

Ricky predicted 12, still not too bad to be honest.

Problem is we're fast running out of games.

Is our recent revival going to be enough?

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Is our recent revival going to be enough?


Agree games are now running out. We're capable of winning on Wednesday against Utd if we're at our best. We need to be at our best more often from here on in. If we are, we'll survive.

We're gaining on Ayr, slowly, but more wins needed, quickly.

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On ‎11‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 6:03 PM, Soctty said:

 


Agree games are now running out. We're capable of winning on Wednesday against Utd if we're at our best. We need to be at our best more often from here on in. If we are, we'll survive.

We're gaining on Ayr, slowly, but more wins needed, quickly.

 

Will last night suffice for that? :wink:

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Will last night suffice for that? :wink:

It's a start. The team spirit was exceptional, and with Smith, Morgan and Mallan, we'll always trouble teams. McGinn leading the way as usual too. Davis injury is a huge blow though.

Win on Saturday now - things will look brighter again if we do.

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On ‎08‎/‎03‎/‎2017 at 10:14 PM, faraway saint said:

The league fixtures for the run in are shown below. 

For what it is worth (not a lot), I feel we can get 21 - 25 points.

6 Wins, 7 Draws, 2 Losses

Self evident that key games will be V Dumbarton and Ayr United.

28-Jan-2017 Falkirk Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt (Lost 0 points)
04-Feb-2017 Dumbarton Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts (Draw, 1 point)
18-Feb-2017 Dundee United Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt (Won, 3 points)
25-Feb-2017 Ayr United Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts (Won 3 points)
01-Mar-2017 Hibernian Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 7:45pm - 1 pt (Won 3 points)
04-Mar-2017 Raith Rovers Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt (lost, 0 points)
11-Mar-2017 Dunfermline Athletic Home   Ladbrokes Championship

Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts (Draw, 1 point)

18-Mar-2017 Queen of the South Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 0 pt
25-Mar-2017 Morton Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
01-Apr-2017 Ayr United Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
08-Apr-2017 Dumbarton Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
15-Apr-2017 Falkirk Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
22-Apr-2017 Dundee United Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 0 pt 
29-Apr-2017 Raith Rovers Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pt
06-May-2017 Hibernian Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt

11points from the last 7 league games.

Much better and seriously puts pressure on the teams, especially Ayr, above us.

Ricky predicted 13, pretty damn reasonable to be honest.

8 games to go.

UPDATED 16/3/17

Go Ricky. :clapping

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On ‎16‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 8:43 AM, St.Ricky said:

The league fixtures for the run in are shown below. 

For what it is worth (not a lot), I feel we can get 21 - 25 points.

6 Wins, 7 Draws, 2 Losses

Self evident that key games will be V Dumbarton and Ayr United.

28-Jan-2017 Falkirk Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
04-Feb-2017 Dumbarton Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
18-Feb-2017 Dundee United Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
25-Feb-2017 Ayr United Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
01-Mar-2017 Hibernian Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 7:45pm - 1 pt
04-Mar-2017 Raith Rovers Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
11-Mar-2017 Dunfermline Athletic Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
18-Mar-2017 Queen of the South Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 0 pt
25-Mar-2017 Morton Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
01-Apr-2017 Ayr United Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
08-Apr-2017 Dumbarton Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pts
15-Apr-2017 Falkirk Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
22-Apr-2017 Dundee United Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 0 pt 
29-Apr-2017 Raith Rovers Home   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 3 pt
06-May-2017 Hibernian Away   Ladbrokes Championship Kick-off: 3:00pm - 1 pt
           
         

 

 

Predicted 13, we're on 11.. and I'd be dissapointed if we lost at QoS.. think a point is a fair prediction.

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At the risk of getting carried away (again):

Not only is avoiding immediate relegation almost back in our own hands (and likely to be soon - I'd forgotten Ayr's pesky game in hand) - if we can get a cheeky win at QoS and United get back to winning ways against Raith on Saturday - the latter certainly being doable...

then, by Saturday night, outright survival could be back in our own hands (again).

 

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