FTOF Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-38974448 Quote Fifteen Scottish firms have been "named and shamed" by the UK government as national minimum and living wage offenders. Quote They include St Mirren Football Club, as well as firms in the care sector and fast food industry. Quote Scottish Championship side St Mirren FC was found to have underpaid one worker £1,277.10. I'm presuming the employee was the player that went back to university and played part time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Don't see the problem. It's been offset by the £50,000 overpaid to David Clarkson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Shame that Dickhead isn't here to discuss this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Hopefully this is historical (ie - prior to the arrival of the current stewards). Bad publicity isn't always better than no publicity at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TsuMirren Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 You'd almost think the UK government was trying to get people focusing elsewhere for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 You'd almost think the UK government was trying to get people focusing elsewhere for some reason. No doubt...however it might be in the club's interest to explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, pozbaird said: Don't see the problem. It's been offset by the £50,000 overpaid to David Clarkson. Good call ,they should name and shame all the ones that were paid more than they were worth ,but it would take too long to type it all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 43 minutes ago, linwood buddie said: Good call ,they should name and shame all the ones that were paid more than they were worth ,but it would take too long to type it all out. Gow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 It's no joking matter, it is a disgrace and these issues have been hanging around the club now for some time. Board need to make a swift statement and ensure the wrong is righted immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 18 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said: It's no joking matter, it is a disgrace and these issues have been hanging around the club now for some time. Board need to make a swift statement and ensure the wrong is righted immediately. Tony F going for the classic "It was the previous bloke guv, you need to speak to him" defence: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/st-mirren-named-shamed-one-9826240 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, Stu said: Tony F going for the classic "It was the previous bloke guv, you need to speak to him" defence: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/st-mirren-named-shamed-one-9826240 He needs to remember that he was (albeit briefly) a part of the previous regime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Drew said: He needs to remember that he was (albeit briefly) a part of the previous regime. Yeah that crossed my mind. And ultimately, while he can argue it has been sorted and we shouldn't be on the list, he has confirmed we underpaid someone which isn't good. I'm assuming, as FTOF said, it's Kieran Doran, however I'm surprised he's the only employee. If it was proven the contract he was on was dodgy you'd have thought all the other youth players at the time would have been queuing up to get some cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 35 minutes ago, Stu said: Yeah that crossed my mind. And ultimately, while he can argue it has been sorted and we shouldn't be on the list, he has confirmed we underpaid someone which isn't good. I'm assuming, as FTOF said, it's Kieran Doran, however I'm surprised he's the only employee. If it was proven the contract he was on was dodgy you'd have thought all the other youth players at the time would have been queuing up to get some cash. He's wrong even although it has now been corrected it is right that were were on the list - several of the firms mentioned are in the same boat i.e. "oversight" "now corrected". It happened so under current rules we get listed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Stu said: Tony F going for the classic "It was the previous bloke guv, you need to speak to him" defence: http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/st-mirren-named-shamed-one-9826240 Otherwise known as the truth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Yeah that crossed my mind. And ultimately, while he can argue it has been sorted and we shouldn't be on the list, he has confirmed we underpaid someone which isn't good. I'm assuming, as FTOF said, it's Kieran Doran, however I'm surprised he's the only employee. If it was proven the contract he was on was dodgy you'd have thought all the other youth players at the time would have been queuing up to get some cash. Was the quid a week contract not pretty widespread in Scottish football clubs at that time?If so, I wonder why we are the only ones mentioned in the report? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: Was the quid a week contract not pretty widespread in Scottish football clubs at that time? If so, I wonder why we are the only ones mentioned in the report? I think that's what the Record campaign was trying to claim. Could be that it's not a player but an office worker or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 We should respond by following the lead of Hearts etc. and become Scottish Living Wage accredited employers and give the club a positive boost. It isn't too much to expect a fans owned club to want other working folk treated with some respect. £8:45 an hour isn't exactly a fortune nor too much to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 PS Heard a rumour that we also use zero hours contracts and are about to be exposed by the better than zero campaign http://www.betterthanzero.org/ Hope it isn't true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdowell76 Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 16 minutes ago, Danny said: PS Heard a rumour that we also use zero hours contracts and are about to be exposed by the better than zero campaign http://www.betterthanzero.org/ Hope it isn't true! Why? As a football club, we play matches every so often. Sometimes the games are cancelled and rearranged at different times. Sometimes we get cup matches or replays, sometimes we don't. In other words, we need extra staff for certain unspecified dates and times. If we have a bank of people, we call someone up and offer them work as required. If they can't manage then we call up the next person and so on. What is wrong with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Danny said: PS Heard a rumour that we also use zero hours contracts and are about to be exposed by the better than zero campaign http://www.betterthanzero.org/ Hope it isn't true! Exposed for what - they are perfectly legal and we are a classic example of when they would be ethically used unlike certain other high profile abusers of the system. Perhaps thats why certain players have been so poor - maybe they are on them !!!!! Edited February 16, 2017 by Ayrshire Saints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapsalmon Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 Surprised there are only 15 Scottish firms. I know of at least 15 in glasgow alone. Pretty much the whole of the hospitality industry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 31 minutes ago, slapsalmon said: Surprised there are only 15 Scottish firms. I know of at least 15 in glasgow alone. Pretty much the whole of the hospitality industry! Sometimes it's forgot you need to be over 25 years of age before you are entitled to a minimum wage. Crap ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapsalmon Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Sometimes it's forgot you need to be over 25 years of age before you are entitled to a minimum wage. Crap ! What's crap? There are different levels of minimum wage as well depending on age. Not only for those over 25! Edited February 16, 2017 by slapsalmon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 17 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Sometimes it's forgot you need to be over 25 years of age before you are entitled to a minimum wage. Crap ! You need to be over 25 to get the full minimum wage. People younger than that still get a minimum wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted February 16, 2017 Report Share Posted February 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Ayrshire Saints said: Exposed for what - they are perfectly legal and we are a classic example of when they would be ethically used unlike certain other high profile abusers of the system. Perhaps thats why certain players have been so poor - maybe they are on them !!!!! Zero hours contracts are an abomination and should be banned permanently. Employees have a right to know they can pay their bills each month and put food on the table. We can't be running an economy for the benefit of students or those who don't really mind if their hours vary wildly each week. We have about 1 million people stuck on these things and they are the people who are most vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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