salmonbuddie Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Only my opinion, but an unelected leader telling us we can't have a referendum that we empowered our government to hold is much, much more divisive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 22 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: Only my opinion, but an unelected leader telling us we can't have a referendum that we empowered our government to hold is much, much more divisive. Why is it relevant if the leader is elected or not as the decision would, almost certainly, the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Why is it relevant if the leader is elected or not as the decision would, almost certainly, the same? Personally, I don't think it's relevant other than the irony of the FM being elected on the mandate if a very possible indy ref being told by a PM who hasn't been elected.Also not sure the decision would necessarily have been the same from a different PM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 8 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: Personally, I don't think it's relevant other than the irony of the FM being elected on the mandate if a very possible indy ref being told by a PM who hasn't been elected.Also not sure the decision would necessarily have been the same from a different PM? Taking it that the current circumstances were the same I doubt there would have been a different decision. All "whataboutery" so no real point pinging this point about. Still waiting on the evidence there's next to no child abuse right enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Still waiting on the evidence there's next to no child abuse right enough. Not from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Just now, TPAFKATS said: Not from me. Never said it was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Welsh Tories keeping it classy (I'm assuming it's not racist to call them Welsh [emoji6] ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Why is it relevant if the leader is elected or not as the decision would, almost certainly, the same? It's ironic, yes, but it highlights the hypocrisy of her actions. Unelected leader tells elected leader you can't do what the people elected you to do. Can't make it any simpler than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Don't you dare-------------------Sir Tom Rocks:love_sign Welsh Tories keeping it classy (I'm assuming it's not racist to call them Welsh [emoji6] ) Want to rethink that post, DJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 1 minute ago, salmonbuddie said: It's ironic, yes, but it highlights the hypocrisy of her actions. Unelected leader tells elected leader you can't do what the people elected you to do. Can't make it any simpler than that. Sorry still don't see the relevance? The circumstances of her being the leader make no difference to her decision making, making her no better or worse and certainly not hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, faraway saint said: Why is it relevant if the leader is elected or not as the decision would, almost certainly, the same? It's all politics and no-one really has the moral high ground but I guess it's that she inherited her position because of a miscalculation by her predecessor and arguably played it quite deviously during the Brexit campaign making one half-hearted speech in favour of remaining after years of being a Eurosceptic. If the Bill is passed in Holyrood next week (?) it'll clearly be May who's stalling - as ever perfidious Albion. *********** Meanwhile Gordon Brown "the man wot won the last referendum for the NO camp" last time around has called for even more powers to be devolved to Scotland surely at odds with both Corbyn and Dugdale - could the Labour Party be any more divided? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39309133 Quote The former Labour prime minister suggested the Scottish government be given the power to set VAT rates and sign international treaties. Would that include the power to negotiate a separate deal with the EU? ************ It's hard to come to any conclusion other than May is scared we'd vote to leave and put her in an even weaker position with regards to the Brexit negotiations. Edited March 18, 2017 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 How can Gordon "federalism" Brown call for more powers when his 2014 intervention made us "the most powerful devolved parliament in the world"? As for May she needs to have fishing rights to use as a bargaining chip for City of London financial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: How can Gordon "federalism" Brown call for more powers when his 2014 intervention made us "the most powerful devolved parliament in the world"? As for May she needs to have fishing rights to use as a bargaining chip for City of London financial. As ever it comes down to protecting the interests of LondonLand against the rest of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: You ask that yet you ignore my mud wrestling photo? This forum has never been especially strong on good taste and long may it continue as long as it doesn't descend into the outright abuse we used to get from "the Prince ower the watter". I completely forgot about that Edited March 18, 2017 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 There has never been a present Prime Minister or future Prime Minister on any voting slip that I have possessed in the last 36 years.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, cockles1987 said: That's cause none have been from the constituency you've voted in. Doh FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 Sorry still don't see the relevance? The circumstances of her being the leader make no difference to her decision making, making her no better or worse and certainly not hypocritical. Maybe this will helpSeeing the hypocrisy yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 Article 50 to be triggered on 29th March. Devolved administrations learn this from the BBC. Family of nations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 More class from the Torygraph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergie's no1 fan Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 https://greens.scot/blog/patrick-s-open-reply-to-tory-msp-s-anti-independence-letterMore Patrick Harvie, less Salmond in the next Indyref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Lothian Saint Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, Sergie's no1 fan said: https://greens.scot/blog/patrick-s-open-reply-to-tory-msp-s-anti-independence-letter More Harvey, less Salmond in the next Indyref. It makes more sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyond our ken Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Sergie's no1 fan said: https://greens.scot/blog/patrick-s-open-reply-to-tory-msp-s-anti-independence-letter More Patrick Harvie, less Salmond in the next Indyref. Sorry, but no. His rabble rousing soundbites sound great in a debate when all anyone wants to hear is what the tories and SNP say.. Put him under intense scrutiny and he will unravel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergie's no1 fan Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 hours ago, beyond our ken said: Sorry, but no. His rabble rousing soundbites sound great in a debate when all anyone wants to hear is what the tories and SNP say.. Put him under intense scrutiny and he will unravel Maybe. He was the one that consistently impressed me in the live debates during the last referendum but he wasn't put under pressure. I'd say he is still by far a much better politician than the Dug and Ruth, although that isn't that difficult. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Maybe. He was the one that consistently impressed me in the live debates during the last referendum but he wasn't put under pressure. I'd say he is still by far a much better politician than the Dug and Ruth, although that isn't that difficult. Ah, that might be the case but he's no Wullie Rennie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 18/03/2017 at 11:26 AM, salmonbuddie said: Want to rethink that post, DJ? He is not Tom Jones !!!!!! So no, find it hard enough to think, never mind rethink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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