oaksoft Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 3/21/2017 at 3:35 PM, beyond our ken said: Sorry, but no. His rabble rousing soundbites sound great in a debate when all anyone wants to hear is what the tories and SNP say.. Put him under intense scrutiny and he will unravel And his support for a 60% top tax rate destroys his credibility. As does his support for closing down the old forth road bridge and leaving it sitting almost totally empty when the new bridge opens to 5 mile tailbacks on the opening day. People who hold views like this really cannot be in positions of power or influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdowell76 Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) to get a measure of how popular Sturgeon is in Scotland and how much of a mandate she has its worth considering this fact at the 2016 election, Sturgeon gained 25.9% of votes from the electorate in 1979, Thatcher gained 24.1% in other words, give or take, Sturgeon is as popular in Scotland as Thatcher Edited March 27, 2017 by mcdowell76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 to get a measure of how popular Sturgeon is in Scotland and how much of a mandate she has its worth considering this fact at the 2016 election, Sturgeon gained 25.9% of votes from the electorate in 1979, Thatcher gained 24.1% in other words, give or take, Sturgeon is as popular in Scotland as Thatcher [emoji38] As a wise man once said, "Lies, damn lies and statistics."Come on then, source, so we can all point and laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 1 hour ago, mcdowell76 said: to get a measure of how popular Sturgeon is in Scotland and how much of a mandate she has its worth considering this fact at the 2016 election, Sturgeon gained 25.9% of votes from the electorate in 1979, Thatcher gained 24.1% in other words, give or take, Sturgeon is as popular in Scotland as Thatcher And that is the problem with statistics right there. In the hands of ill-educated people or those with an agenda, they can be manipulated any way you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 1 hour ago, mcdowell76 said: to get a measure of how popular Sturgeon is in Scotland and how much of a mandate she has its worth considering this fact at the 2016 election, Sturgeon gained 25.9% of votes from the electorate in 1979, Thatcher gained 24.1% in other words, give or take, Sturgeon is as popular in Scotland as Thatcher Deary dear---- The Daily Star reader strikes again!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 May in Scotland today refusing to recognise the legitimacy of the Scottish Parliament voting for another referendum.She seems to be doing all she can to get people against her, same as with Brexit process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Dont they have a English votes for English issues at Westminster. I'm sure such a democratic place would allow only Scottish MP's a vote on a Scottish issue. Now remind me what's the breakdown of Scottish MP's parties? [emoji23] I'd have thought her time today might've been better spent visiting Norn Ireland as opposed to turning up in West of Scotland spouting vacuous 'soundbites' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdowell76 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Nicola Sturgeon... as popular as Brexit & Thatcher! TPAFKATS... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 And still no source. It's almost as if you're making it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Nicola Sturgeon... as popular as Brexit & Thatcher! [emoji38] TPAFKATS... [emoji38] Hiya! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 You got a new stalker, T? Or is it the same one? Same patter anyway. Same old, same old...Not sure what his point was regarding me either. The quote function may have assisted his witty retort.I'll not lose any sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 On 3/27/2017 at 2:18 PM, mcdowell76 said: to get a measure of how popular Sturgeon is in Scotland and how much of a mandate she has its worth considering this fact at the 2016 election, Sturgeon gained 25.9% of votes from the electorate in 1979, Thatcher gained 24.1% in other words, give or take, Sturgeon is as popular in Scotland as Thatcher Unfortunately, people who don't vote don't count. And you're comparing apples with oranges. At the 2016 Scottish Parliamentary elections consituency vote, SNP did indeed poll 25.9% of the electorate, but 46.5% of those who actually turned out. The Tories polled 12% of the electorate, or 22% of those who actually turned out. This was due to a relatively low turnout - 55.6% turnout in 2016 compared to 75.6% in 1979. The fact that there were only two main political parties in 1979 made it an almost straight fight between Labour and Tories. These days the two combined can't match the SNP vote. Now, taking the Westminster election in 2015, which compares more readily with Thatcher's 24.1%, the SNP polled 35.5% of the electorate (compared with 10.5% for the Tories) This was 49.9% of those who actually voted in the SNP's case (14.9% for Tories) A mandate relies on people voting. Those who can't be bothered voting do not get a say, and are irrelvant to democracy. Hope this all helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 Unfortunately, people who don't vote don't count. And you're comparing apples with oranges. At the 2016 Scottish Parliamentary elections consituency vote, SNP did indeed poll 25.9% of the electorate, but 46.5% of those who actually turned out. The Tories polled 12% of the electorate, or 22% of those who actually turned out. This was due to a relatively low turnout - 55.6% turnout in 2016 compared to 75.6% in 1979. The fact that there were only two main political parties in 1979 made it an almost straight fight between Labour and Tories. These days the two combined can't match the SNP vote. Now, taking the Westminster election in 2015, which compares more readily with Thatcher's 24.1%, the SNP polled 35.5% of the electorate (compared with 10.5% for the Tories) This was 49.9% of those who actually voted in the SNP's case (14.9% for Tories) A mandate relies on people voting. Those who can't be bothered voting do not get a say, and are irrelvant to democracy. Hope this all helps. You're wasting your time, he's trolling hoping for someone to do precisely this so he feels empowered by "making" you provide the figures. That's why I asked him twice for the source of his claimed figures, once he provides it we can use it to point and laugh at his failure to understand simple arithmetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 You're wasting your time, he's trolling hoping for someone to do precisely this so he feels empowered by "making" you provide the figures. That's why I asked him twice for the source of his claimed figures, once he provides it we can use it to point and laugh at his failure to understand simple arithmetic. It's no bother mate - only took me a few moments to find his source as above. Comparing separate Parliamentary election results from 40 years apart is pointless, when the landscape of politics has changed entirely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted March 29, 2017 Report Share Posted March 29, 2017 I know, I did the same but still think he needs calling on it. The pointlessness of his comparison is the point and laugh part. Well, one of the many constituent parts of point and laugh with this particular poster... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Seemingly we're going to spend £500M - yes, that's right, 500 million pounds - to have blue passports again. Oh, and the small matter of going to war with Spain over Gibraltar. f**king Gibraltar! Are you YES yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Yes to war with Spain? We will fight them on the beaches (of Benidorm) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 2, 2017 Report Share Posted April 2, 2017 Seemingly we're going to spend £500M - yes, that's right, 500 million pounds - to have blue passports again. Oh, and the small matter of going to war with Spain over Gibraltar. f**king Gibraltar! Are you YES yet? Michael Howard tried to explain his War with Spain over Gibraltar shite on Channel 4 news. An utter car crash of an interview.https://www.channel4.com/news/lord-howard-defends-falklands-comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spain-foreign-minister-alfonso-dastis-no-veto-independent-scotland-eu-membership-application-a7662531.html Can't believe that the Daily Mail haven't reported this on their front page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 19 minutes ago, FTOF said: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spain-foreign-minister-alfonso-dastis-no-veto-independent-scotland-eu-membership-application-a7662531.html Can't believe that the Daily Mail haven't reported this on their front page. I don't think they ever did threaten this. It was more a case of unionist-minded media chatter than anything else, with a few minor Spanish politicians being (mis)quoted. The likes of Murdo Fraser and Willie Rennie no doubt jumped on it in order to deflect from the fact that they are wholly devoid of any political competence in terms of formulating coherent arguments of their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Drew said: Seemingly we're going to spend £500M - yes, that's right, 500 million pounds - to have blue passports again. Oh, and the small matter of going to war with Spain over Gibraltar. f**king Gibraltar! Are you YES yet? I was in Gibraltar last year. A Barbary Macaque shat on my camera bag. Give Spain the fcuking place and make tapas out of those monkey basturts. I learned that they aren't Barbary Apes. No matter, a Macaque cnut shat on my bag. Edited April 3, 2017 by pozbaird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 4 hours ago, FTOF said: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spain-foreign-minister-alfonso-dastis-no-veto-independent-scotland-eu-membership-application-a7662531.html Can't believe that the Daily Mail haven't reported this on their front page. Ffs , I used to love the Spanish . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 I was in Gibraltar last year. A Barbary Macaque shat on my camera bag. Give Spain the fcuking place and make tapas out of those monkey basturts. [emoji4] I learned that they aren't Barbary Apes. No matter, a Macaque cnut shat on my bag. Aye, Macaques are even worse than Geordies it seems.[emoji15] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 I reckon we could take the Spanish, as long as we launch any invasion mid afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 59 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said: I reckon we could take the Spanish, as long as we launch any invasion mid afternoon. I'm off to Valencia for a week in July. I'll do a beer fuelled practice run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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