proudtobeabuddy Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, faraway saint said: If Ross wants to speak to them he will I'm afraid. It makes things a bit messier but doesn't stop either Dundee or Ross moving forward if Ross is interested. If it was to get messy in that scenario so be it... I would want our chairman to adopt that stance rather than roll over and die. That might not change the outcome but it would be what most fans would expect IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, faraway saint said: If Ross wants to speak to them he will I'm afraid. It makes things a bit messier but doesn't stop either Dundee or Ross moving forward if Ross is interested. Surely if he is under contract then he can only speak to Dimdee if the club give permission? Is there a different rule to tapping up a manager as there is for tapping up a player under contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Drew said: Out of interest, when was the last time we had a manager poached by another club? 1986 when Alex Miller went to Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, nedflanders123 said: Surely if he is under contract then he can only speak to Dimdee if the club give permission? Is there a different rule to tapping up a manager as there is for tapping up a player under contract? He could resign his post but then it would get very very messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insaintee Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 I'll a big fan of Ross, and would be disappointed if he left. But there is no guarantee that he'll be able to replicate the modest success he's had at St Mirren at Dundee. In fact if you were being picky he took an awfully long time and got awfully lucky in the transfer market before he turned things around last season. If he wants the Dundee job then no doubt he'll get it but it's not really a bigger gig. And it must be worrying the way they implode (selling Hemings, Stewart and that other one). without reinvesting in the team. Hartley is a good manager. but if you look at the way he was strung out by both the board and the players it suggest there are big problems at Dundee. Realistically Hartley did as much there as any manager is likely to. If Ross goes then good luck to him. I doubt he'll be heading for the champions league. If you look at the financial position we are in, I know which club I'd rather manage. I think he'll stay but if he goes he's not irreplaceable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) I am feeling more hopeful now, I'd be surprised if GS has made that statement without speaking to JR first. Maybe JR will get a pay rise out of it, but that's what he deserves anyway. Edited May 30, 2017 by Hendo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Good on our Iron Chairman. We are not to be meddled with, now f**k off back to the east coast and get on the blower to Yogi or McGhee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedflanders123 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, scottd said: He could resign his post but then it would get very very messy. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 If Dundee meet the asking price he will go. If the chairman blocks a manager who wants to hear what his worth is from another club it will get messy. Remember Ross was under contract at Alloa a few months ago, it didnt stop our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Is The Man Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Do I think he should stay?Yes.Do I think he'll go?No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said: If Dundee meet the asking price he will go. If the chairman blocks a manager who wants to hear what his worth is from another club it will get messy. Remember Ross was under contract at Alloa a few months ago, it didnt stop our club. We asked for permission to speak to him and Alloa reluctantly agreed and took the compo. We have refused DFC permission , they can't speak to him unless he resigns. FWIW , I don't think he'll resign ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 44 minutes ago, scottd said: He could resign his post but then it would get very very messy. What about the gentleman's agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linwood buddie Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) If he goes we can blame Top Cat for his "Jack Ross must go " thread Edited May 30, 2017 by linwood buddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 39 minutes ago, insaintee said: I'll a big fan of Ross, and would be disappointed if he left. But there is no guarantee that he'll be able to replicate the modest success he's had at St Mirren at Dundee. In fact if you were being picky he took an awfully long time and got awfully lucky in the transfer market before he turned things around last season. If he wants the Dundee job then no doubt he'll get it but it's not really a bigger gig. And it must be worrying the way they implode (selling Hemings, Stewart and that other one). without reinvesting in the team. Hartley is a good manager. but if you look at the way he was strung out by both the board and the players it suggest there are big problems at Dundee. Realistically Hartley did as much there as any manager is likely to. If Ross goes then good luck to him. I doubt he'll be heading for the champions league. If you look at the financial position we are in, I know which club I'd rather manage. I think he'll stay but if he goes he's not irreplaceable. St.Mirren of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 I agree with Pod here and would like to think that JR has somewhat more integrity in his dealings with GS than Lord Pityme has belief in a manager who @irrespective of how he managed it' certainly saved the club from almost certain relegation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Mc Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Well done GS. I don't blame Dundee for aiming high. Time to lower their sights and go for Conte or Zidane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, faraway saint said: If Ross wants to speak to them he will I'm afraid. It makes things a bit messier but doesn't stop either Dundee or Ross moving forward if Ross is interested. Given that Gordon Scott has been in contact with Jack Ross this week whilst Jack's been away and given that they have a good working relationship, I'd be very surprised indeed if Gordon has released such a statement without Jack's prior knowledge and more importantly, consent. I think and hope GLS is far too shrewd to potentially have an unrest on his hands. That's why I can see this having been done with JR's blessing to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 As someone has suggested, I'd be very surprised if Gordon didn't have a chat with Jack before making these comments this evening. This is certainly an encouraging development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munoz Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, David Mc said: Well done GS. I don't blame Dundee for aiming high. Time to lower their sights and go for Conte or Zidane. Or Rae to return . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Drew said: As someone has suggested, I'd be very surprised if Gordon didn't have a chat with Jack before making these comments this evening. This is certainly an encouraging development. 1 minute ago, djchapsticks said: Given that Gordon Scott has been in contact with Jack Ross this week whilst Jack's been away and given that they have a good working relationship, I'd be very surprised indeed if Gordon has released such a statement without Jack's prior knowledge and more importantly, consent. I think and hope GLS is far too shrewd to potentially have an unrest on his hands. That's why I can see this having been done with JR's blessing to do so. SNAP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottd Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, munoz said: Or Rae to return . Now I am no fan of Dundee FC but that suggestion is lower than a snakes belly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdowell76 Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 I'd be amazed if Jack Ross is still St. Mirren manager by the start of next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antrin Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 1 hour ago, mcdowell76 said: I'd be amazed if Jack Ross is still St. Mirren manager by the start of next week. Prepare to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Banjos Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 8 hours ago, djchapsticks said: I think and hope GLS is far too shrewd to potentially have an unrest on his hands. JR should be too. He's riding on a wave just now he may not experience again in his career. It often doesn't take long to go from that to Paul Hartley's or Yogi's position. If the club says no, but JR wants to go and takes the petted lip, leading to player unrest and poor form then his stock falls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 From the Dundee Evening Telegraph............... If, as expected, Dundee do make a firm move to appoint him — and they have already sought permission from St Mirren to open talks — compensation should not be an issue. The problem for Dark Blues managing director John Nelms is that Ross is currently out of the country on holiday. One way around that problem would be for Nelms to arrange a meeting with his top target and jump on a plane to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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