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Who are you talking to?
I ask because nobody seems to either like your posts or respond to you.
Genuine question.

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22 hours ago, oaksoft said:

I am not about to defend spending money on nuclear weapons but the alternative to bailing out the banks doesn't bear thinking about IMO.

The armed forces, I literally could not care less about but that is a personal thing. I would prefer to have no army at all and in that way we can never be tempted to invade another country. That would be a good thing IMO. Our armed forces have almost never been called upon for purely defence reasons. We have historically always been aggressors.

No money for the disabled, the NHS and education? Do you actually believe you are going to persuade any of us that this nonsense is true? :lol: If not, why write it?

If you don't want banks to charge interest then manage your personal finances properly and don't spend what you don't have.

You really need to get off the internet, get outside and make some changes to your life bud because I'm getting depressed just reading your post.

Right. I need some chocolate after trawling through that bleakfest.

It is fairly obvious that in your world all is good, TBH my life is pretty great also, however I do have a conscience and a responsibility to my kids and fellow humans to help make it better.... And its pretty bleak out there....

 

Maybe I can, like close my eyes and just ignore it

 

Nope sorry ... but I did try

 

And I agree on the chocolate front  :thumbs2

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22 hours ago, oaksoft said:

Right now you can lose your job if you take time off to look after your sick relative.

Now that won't happen. By ANY standard, this is an improvement.

But because the new law isn't perfect you are still not happy.

Stop whining FFS.

Really, can u lose ur job, obviously employment law along with common sense is not ur strong point

Its a Forum FFS, stop listening to your dictating leader

 

We are allowed opinions, even if they disagree with someone who keeps saying they don't have any  

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48 minutes ago, DougJamie said:

It is fairly obvious that in your world all is good, TBH my life is pretty great also, however I do have a conscience and a responsibility to my kids and fellow humans to help make it better.... And its pretty bleak out there....

 

Maybe I can, like close my eyes and just ignore it

 

Nope sorry ... but I did try

 

And I agree on the chocolate front  :thumbs2

For the overwhelming majority of people things are not pretty bleak at all.

What I personally want to hear is a bit less whining and a bit more silence from those who don't really need help so that as a society we can focus our efforts solely on those who do.

Give me a world like that and I will be happy. We have too many thrashing around taking up precoius time, money and effort who simply don't need it and others in dire need suffer because of it.

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For the overwhelming majority of people things are not pretty bleak at all.
What I personally want to hear is a bit less whining and a bit more silence from those who don't really need help so that as a society we can focus our efforts solely on those who do.
Give me a world like that and I will be happy. We have too many thrashing around taking up precoius time, money and effort who simply don't need it and others in dire need suffer because of it.


So you don't think it's important that those who don't need help - me, for example - speak up on behalf of others who need a bit of help? I should just shut up and eat my cereal?

I'd love to live in your world, must be great.
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30 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said:

 


So you don't think it's important that those who don't need help - me, for example - speak up on behalf of others who need a bit of help? I should just shut up and eat my cereal?

I'd love to live in your world, must be great.

When you learn to ask a question as in the first sentence without coming to a conclusion as in your last, I will be happy to clarify.

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1 hour ago, salmonbuddie said:

The second sentence is a question too, oaky, that's why it has the appropriate punctuation mark.

 

ETA

 

I can only judge by the statements you've made to date, convince me I'm wrong.

 

OK if you are being civil then I will return the favour and give a fuller explanation of where I stand.

I am not asking you or people like you to be quiet at all.

A bit less personal abuse wouldn't go amiss and if you want to see some examples of the worst of human behaviour go and have a look at the P&B politics forum.

At least it is reasonably decent on here.

Here are my concerns.

1) Left wingers trying to hold the moral high ground by arrogantly claiming only they care about people at the bottom. People who want to do this can talk to themselves.

2) Our welfare budget is totally out of control and needs trimming. We are currently paying some perfectly healthy households up to about £23k per year to sit at home and do nothing. That is backed up by people who work in the benefits offices themselves. That is indefensible. Totally and utterly indefensible. Why? Because we have disabled people, who need that money, being thrown to the wolves of PIP assessors. When maximum benefits were cut to this £23k level, those affected were howling and wailing against the "unfairness" of it all. These are the people who need to STFU.  We are "helping" all the wrong people. It's not about deserving and undeserving poor. It is about those who genuinely need help and those who don't really need help but they will take it because it is being offered.

3) We have a culture of dependency and entitlement as a result of an incredibly generaous welfare state. How exactly is that benefitting those on welfare or the rest of society to be paying people so much welfare that they financially lose out by getting a job?

4) Point 3 has left us with a massive and toxic culture of "victim mentality". Although I am still an SNP voter for now, there is no doubt that they have played to the galleries on this. It's doing my head in and they need to stop it.

5) An inability for the left to discuss welfare without talking about "the rich". This is just intellectual bollox. Focus on one thing at a time. The size of the welfare budget is a problem. Not just financially but because of the effect it has on our culture (see points 3 and 4). If we want to discuss "the rich" I am happy to do so but not in a discussion about welfare. The two are unlinked.

A quick wander around online forums and I am beginning to think my dad was right. No religion and no politics. :D

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Tory manifesto.

1) Deferring care costs until after death? Excellent idea. The £100k limit is not high enough but it's a lot better than what is in place now I think.

2) No rise in tax or NI. At a time of pay rising slower than inflation this is good.

3) Increase in living wage to 60% media salary by 2020 is excellent.

4) Policies on immigration, independence and fox hunting are bollox.

5) Increasing spending yet again on the NHS without fundamental reform is ludicrous.

6) Scrapping winter fuel allowance for better off pensioners is probably the right thing to do providing the savings are not lost in the noise of means testing costs.

7) End of free meals for schoolkids. Unsure about this one TBH. Clearly the vast majority dont need this.

I would have liked to have seen benefits sanctions modified so that instead of receiving nothing, those sanctioned are given food vouchers so they can at least eat. Housing costs are still paid AFAIK. We cannot have people left with nothing no matter what "crime" they have committed.

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Oh well here we go sleepwalking into a decade of Tory rule at UK level anyway - only 18 pages (so far).

Like oaky said above "Scrapping winter fuel allowance for better off pensioners is probably the right thing to do" but alongside their plan to drop the Pension Triple Lock it kinda shows how hollow their 2014 promises were to Scottish pensioners. Talk & Action - despite claiming to be the "real" party of working people the Tories who have cut Corporation Tax for it's Corporation backers and are prepared to fund this at the expense of pensioners. Now all that's fair enough, you get what you choose, but how easy a ride are TM & the Tories getting because it's all seen as a fait accompli?

As for Labour how long will JC last after the election? It'll be interesting to see who emerges as the next Labour leader will they go for someone within Parliament like Yvette CooperBalls or will they maybe go leftfield and select one of their high profile urban mayors like Sadiq Khan or Andy Burnham? I suppose Kesia Dugdale will be safe as Scottish leader because they won't want another change. Who knows maybe like JR she'll make a Lazarus style recovery!

I don't understand how the Lib-Dems can support an EuroRef2 policy while opposing IndyRef2 - either you're allowed to change your mind or you're not! Aside from that there is the practical aspect of what would be on offer from the EU if the country was to vote Remain in another referendum.

As for the SNP, after a unimpressive showing in the recent Local Government elections the question is whether they can elect 50+ MP's again under the FPTP system - no doubt anything less than the current 56 MP's will be spun as "Independence being past it's high-water mark". The question is what they can do to temper what will be the most right wing government in Western Europe. As I said on P1 of the thread - The choice is plain - Independence or permaTory rule!

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As an aside is anyone missing "the Prince over the water" who is trolling on the OS these days? 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

 Tories who have cut Corporation Tax for it's Corporation backers and are prepared to fund this at the expense of pensioners.

 

 

At the end of the day, Corporation Tax is effectively paid by the end consumer.

And do you really believe that it is right to increase state pensions by 2.5% even if both inflation and wages growth is lower than this?

 

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2 hours ago, Bud the Baker said:

The question is what they can do to temper what will be the most right wing government in Western Europe.

 

What can the SNP do to temper their own Scottish government? :o

 

Extreme nationalism (hard Scexit) combined with a host of policies which take from the poor and give to the better off, such as council tax freeze, free tuition fees, scrapped road tolls and free prescriptions. The SNP (E Unionist Party) are the most extreme right wing government in Western Europe.

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18 minutes ago, mcdowell76 said:

At the end of the day, Corporation Tax is effectively paid by the end consumer.

And do you really believe that it is right to increase state pensions by 2.5% even if both inflation and wages growth is lower than this?

 

Ultimately I suppose you're correct in that a portion of Corporation Tax will be passed on but it is generally regarded as being a progressive tax and is better than the deregulation and laissez faire capitalism espoused by Britannia Unchained a pressure group within the Tory party which is already represented in TM's Cabinet.

I said that removing Universal Benefits to middle class pensioners was probably the correct decision and reckon we should debate the triple lock to state pensions and raising the qualifying age for state pensions (which has been deferred till after the election :rolleyes:). I just think that "Strong&Stable" Theresa May is getting an easy ride on these and other issues because the result of the election is in general (sic) regarded as a foregone conclusion.

 

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21 minutes ago, mcdowell76 said:

What can the SNP do to temper their own Scottish government? :o

 

Extreme nationalism (hard Scexit) combined with a host of policies which take from the poor and give to the better off, such as council tax freeze, free tuition fees, scrapped road tolls and free prescriptions. The SNP (E Unionist Party) are the most extreme right wing government in Western Europe.

Bit of a mixed message are the SNP extreme - I regard their economic policies as being pretty mild and certainly nothing for even moderately right wing dudes like yourself to worry about. I'm an "eat the rich" socialist and see them as interim step on the way to the Union of Scottish Socialist Republics. :P

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At the end of the day, Corporation Tax is effectively paid by the end consumer.
And do you really believe that it is right to increase state pensions by 2.5% even if both inflation and wages growth is lower than this?
 

What can the SNP do to temper their own Scottish government? [emoji33]
 
Extreme nationalism (hard Scexit) combined with a host of policies which take from the poor and give to the better off, such as council tax freeze, free tuition fees, scrapped road tolls and free prescriptions. The SNP (E Unionist Party) are the most extreme right wing government in Western Europe.


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Bit of a mixed message are the SNP extreme - I regard their economic policies as being pretty mild and certainly nothing for even moderately right wing dudes like yourself to worry about. I'm an "eat the rich" socialist and see them as interim step on the way to the Union of Scottish Socialist Republics. [emoji14]


You're wasting your time, Bud. Mind you, your USSR would be worth it just for the seethe it would bring...

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Corbyn got pellets for not costing the labour manifesto, even though it had costings attached ( not sure is Diane Abbott was involved)

May has absolutely nocostings and there's silence from the usual suspects in the media (bbc and main press)

In addition to this the Tory party are now refusing to stand up reps to debate. Trump politics from May which I hope comes back to bite her on the erse

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Tory manifesto.
1) Deferring care costs until after death? Excellent idea. The £100k limit is not high enough but it's a lot better than what is in place now I think.
2) No rise in tax or NI. At a time of pay rising slower than inflation this is good.
3) Increase in living wage to 60% media salary by 2020 is excellent.
4) Policies on immigration, independence and fox hunting are bollox.
5) Increasing spending yet again on the NHS without fundamental reform is ludicrous.
6) Scrapping winter fuel allowance for better off pensioners is probably the right thing to do providing the savings are not lost in the noise of means testing costs.
7) End of free meals for schoolkids. Unsure about this one TBH. Clearly the vast majority dont need this.
I would have liked to have seen benefits sanctions modified so that instead of receiving nothing, those sanctioned are given food vouchers so they can at least eat. Housing costs are still paid AFAIK. We cannot have people left with nothing no matter what "crime" they have committed.


You missed one - or has it started already?

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html
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