mcdowell76 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, BaldyOzBud said: You really are shite at this trolling lark, and " this level" that you constantly refer to is your own level. Comedy gold Says the guy who quoted HSBC as an example of a foreign bank operating in the UK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldyOzBud Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, mcdowell76 said: Don't be so harsh on yourself P2 wit, get back under your bridge wee man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Pityme Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: I'm no Tory but you have to admire what Ruth Davidson has done for the Tory party in Scotland, she has brought them back from the brink of oblivion. At the 2015 GE under Ruth D the tories picked up their lowest ever share of the vote in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shull Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 33 minutes ago, shull said: Conservative Party Conference at St Mirren Park. Season Tickets valid for true blue buddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Any Conservative gains seem to be almost 100% at Labours expense. There appears to be very little inroads into the SNP vote seats wise acorss the country (so far at least). Scotland is heading back to a 2 party duopoly just not the 2 anyone could have imagined a decade or so ago. The sole emphasis by the Tories on this being a message to the SNP over indyref2 seems to have got through to Labour "no" voters, a clever tactic but totally not what local council elections should be all about. I know the Tories will not admit it publicly but they are probably disappointed to have had so little impact against the SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Scotland loves Tory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldyOzBud Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, TopCat said: Scotland loves Tory! Scotland is a country not a meme, hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Plus 39, 39! WOW! National councils scoreboard Party Councils Seats CouncilsTotal Councils Change+/- SeatsTotal Seats Change+/- Party Independent Councils Total3 Councils Change—- Seats Total80 Seats Change−4 Party SNP Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total103 Seats Change+2 Party Conservative Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total70 Seats Change+39 Party Labour Councils Total0 Councils Change−1 Seats Total52 Seats Change−36 Party Liberal Democrat Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total8 Seats Change−2 Party Green Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total2 Seats Change+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, TopCat said: Plus 39, 39! WOW! National councils scoreboard Party Councils Seats CouncilsTotal Councils Change+/- SeatsTotal Seats Change+/- Party Independent Councils Total3 Councils Change—- Seats Total80 Seats Change−4 Party SNP Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total103 Seats Change+2 Party Conservative Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total70 Seats Change+39 Party Labour Councils Total0 Councils Change−1 Seats Total52 Seats Change−36 Party Liberal Democrat Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total8 Seats Change−2 Party Green Councils Total0 Councils Change—- Seats Total2 Seats Change+1 You also fail to mention that the same stats show the SNP up 2 from their already imperious position - as I said it's a swing from Lab to Tory with no inroads (in fact the opposite) into the SNP's previous huge share of seats. Yes a good show by the Tories but for the SNP to advance form their starting position will be a bitter pill for Ruth and Co in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopCat Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said: You also fail to mention that the same stats show the SNP up 2 from their already imperious position - as I said it's a swing from Lab to Tory with no inroads (in fact the opposite) into the SNP's previous huge share of seats. Yes a good show by the Tories but for the SNP to advance form their starting position will be a bitter pill for Ruth and Co in Scotland. I think the sweetness of increasing vote share and seats will quell any concern about the SNP. Well done on the extra two seats though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdowell76 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said: You also fail to mention that the same stats show the SNP up 2 from their already imperious position - as I said it's a swing from Lab to Tory with no inroads (in fact the opposite) into the SNP's previous huge share of seats. Yes a good show by the Tories but for the SNP to advance form their starting position will be a bitter pill for Ruth and Co in Scotland. The SNP share of the vote in 2012 was 32%, just ahead of Labour. Considering that the SNP's share of the 2015 General Election was 50% and of the 2016 Holyrood election was 47%, it would be very surprising if the SNP didn't "advance from their starting position" of 2012. But if the starting position is the share of the vote in 2015 or 2016, we will hopefully see a decline. A bitter pill for Sturgeon and co in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdowell76 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, TopCat said: I think the sweetness of increasing vote share and seats will quell any concern about the SNP. Well done on the extra two seats though! Two extra seats from a starting position of 32% share of the vote in 2012 is a disaster for the nationalist extremists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vambo57 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 34 minutes ago, TopCat said: Scotland loves Tory! Pair of Boots 10 minutes ago, mcdowell76 said: Two extra seats from a starting position of 32% share of the vote in 2012 is a disaster for the nationalist extremists! Is it aye? SNP 103 seats Tory 39 seats DISASTER alert!!!! It must really rile you having all those bigots as your party's supporters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, Vambo57 said: Pair of Boots Is it aye? SNP 103 seats Tory 39 seats DISASTER alert!!!! It must really rile you having all those bigots as your party's supporters... I have to ask, where, exactly, is the proof of this? Also, isn't it EVEYBODYS right, whoever they happen to support, to vote for who they wish? Can you, or anybody else, prove no Rangers supporters vote for the SNP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: I'm no Tory but you have to admire what Ruth Davidson has done for the Tory party in Scotland, she has brought them back from the brink of oblivion. Looks like a swing to the Tories is on due to the collapse of the Labour Party , I would imagine that SNP loses will be less but I don't think the Party is as popular as it was at the last GE. I was talking to a solicitor yesterday whom , for years was a secretary for the Party , he said he wouldn't vote SNP now . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, mcdowell76 said: Two extra seats from a starting position of 32% share of the vote in 2012 is a disaster for the nationalist extremists! I'm not really sure how the pollsters work out the percentages given that it's a multichoice vote (No. 1 choices) but anything less than a clear improvement for the SNP will be disappointing. It'll be ironic to hear Ruth Davidson again claim a triumph under a voting system that her party wouldn't touch with a bargepole at national level. Roll on the GE and the "First Past The Post" system when I'll be expecting 50+ SNP MP's to be returned - again! Edited May 5, 2017 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 Independence would lead to austerity and cuts for the poor on an unprecedented level. Voting SNP would be like turkeys voting for Xmas with regards to Feegie and Shettleston! See, you're saying that but by your own admission you don't know what would happen under independence. On the other hand, historical facts support my version, they've been doing it for decades. #thichasfcuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Bud the Baker said: I'm not really sure how the pollsters work out the percentages given that it's a multichoice vote but anything less than a clear improvement for the SNP will be disappointing. It'll be ironic to hear Ruth Davidson again claim a triumph under a voting system that her party wouldn't touch with a bargepole at national level. Roll on the GE and the "First Past The Post" system when I'll be expecting 50+ SNP MP's to be returned. I think it will be tight Colin , I don't see the Party getting all 50 again . It will be interesting to see what campaigning takes place this time , they obviously spent hehaw on that campaign so they must be planning to spend it on the GE . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windae cleaner Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, faraway saint said: I have to ask, where, exactly, is the proof of this? Also, isn't it EVEYBODYS right, whoever they happen to support, to vote for who they wish? Can you, or anybody else, prove no Rangers supporters vote for the SNP? Very few do as it's seen as a vote for republicism If wee Sturgeon drops the Indy 2 patter she would clean up Most level headed people know what the Tories are all about but there's no other options out there Labour scored a major own goal siding with the tories and they won't recover up here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Saints Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 46 minutes ago, mcdowell76 said: Two extra seats from a starting position of 32% share of the vote in 2012 is a disaster for the nationalist extremists! Good thing I'm not a "nationalist extremist" then whatever that is - is that the opposite of a Unionist extremist - all very 70's NI but the usual Tory patter. Could have sworn the Tory's current sole policy / aim is one of extreme separation - where's the difference ??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyg Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 I see Ravenscraig has turned Tory , Ravenscraig ???? The old steelworkers will be turning in their graves ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) 42 minutes ago, saintnextlifetime said: I think it will be tight Colin , I don't see the Party getting all 50 again . It will be interesting to see what campaigning takes place this time , they obviously spent hehaw on that campaign so they must be planning to spend it on the GE . . I'm going to reply in a bit of a roundabout way - there was a EU press conference today which was conducted in French and the spokesman prefaced it by saying "the influence of English was diminishing" not comedy gold but it raised a few titters. I know you're a bit of a Eurosceptic but do you believe Theresa May will be able to secure a good Brexit deal for Britain? Various UKIP bigwigs are assaying "Job done, Theresa's our leader carrying out our policies." Who can doubt that the Tories are currently the most extreme party with significant power in Western Europe and heading further in that direction? Macron will win the French Presidential election, the Dutch rejected the PVV last month - there's going to be no incentive for the EU to give anything more than they have to Theresa May's Conservative Party with UKIP and Nigel Farage grinning in the background. I don't want Scotland to be a remote and ignored province of an isolationist UK - I'd rather be in an independent country which wants to be part of the European and World mainstream. Yesterday's result make the choice crystal clear and in the GE I'll be surprised & disappointed if the SNP don't win 50+ again. Edited May 5, 2017 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) Just seen the latest results - ouch! All is not necessarily lost, it's an election run under the STV system with Independents in some areas - 40% of the popular vote would mitigate my disappointment. Edited May 5, 2017 by Bud the Baker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 A few folk on here spanking their load about council elections being a barometer of both UK and Scottish parliamentary policy.Thick as... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcdowell76 Posted May 5, 2017 Report Share Posted May 5, 2017 30 minutes ago, Ayrshire Saints said: Good thing I'm not a "nationalist extremist" then whatever that is - is that the opposite of a Unionist extremist - all very 70's NI but the usual Tory patter. Could have sworn the Tory's current sole policy / aim is one of extreme separation - where's the difference ??????? Indeed. The Tories are Brexit, nationalist extremists. SNP, UKIP, English Tories, French National Front, Trump. All one and the same thing. My vote for the Tories in Scotland is for one thing only - to keep Scotland's place in the UK. I voted Remain and I voted No. Totally consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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