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This is actually a no brainer. Keep Morgan then we have one hell of a chance of winning the league. If we do that we'll make more than we would by selling Morgan in January... Who Knows, if we go up he might sign up for a few more years with the promise of being allowed to leave if the big guns come in for him.

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I think many on here aren't grasping the reality of things. If Lewis' agent negotiates a PCA with another club Saints can't do anything about it. It really is that simple. They can't stop the deal. they can't demand a fee. It would be the other club who say, "He's ours. There's nowt you can do about it. Take the 80,000 in May or we might give you a little more if you let him come to us now.

That's the ONLY choice Saints' have.

In the face of that we'll see how determined the Board are to hold onto what might be a "down tools" player who may be concerned not to get injured. The only player I saw busting a gut for us when in that situation was Big Kirk.

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34 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

I think many on here aren't grasping the reality of things. If Lewis' agent negotiates a PCA with another club Saints can't do anything about it. It really is that simple. They can't stop the deal. they can't demand a fee. It would be the other club who say, "He's ours. There's nowt you can do about it. Take the 80,000 in May or we might give you a little more if you let him come to us now.

That's the ONLY choice Saints' have.

In the face of that we'll see how determined the Board are to hold onto what might be a "down tools" player who may be concerned not to get injured. The only player I saw busting a gut for us when in that situation was Big Kirk.

I think its very harsh to even suggest Lewis would down tools. His work rate, attitude and commitment has always been fantastic.

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46 minutes ago, stlucifer said:

I think many on here aren't grasping the reality of things. If Lewis' agent negotiates a PCA with another club Saints can't do anything about it. It really is that simple. They can't stop the deal. they can't demand a fee. It would be the other club who say, "He's ours. There's nowt you can do about it. Take the 80,000 in May or we might give you a little more if you let him come to us now.

That's the ONLY choice Saints' have.

 

Only if a PCA is signed.

Others have been speculating if a situation other than him signing a PCA arises, although I know signing a PCA is probably the most likely scenario.

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42 minutes ago, Hendo said:

I think its very harsh to even suggest Lewis would down tools. His work rate, attitude and commitment has always been fantastic.

I'm not suggesting he would. I'm suggesting the board would have to take that into consideration.

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44 minutes ago, Hendo said:

I think its very harsh to even suggest Lewis would down tools. His work rate, attitude and commitment has always been fantastic.

Absolutely, Morgan wont down tools in that scenario he has so much to play for, although given the abuse some of our players have received from so called supporters like Naismith last season after the club decided to sell him and cash in on his PCA. You wonder why they bother.

makes you wonder what planet the brains of some of our lot actually reside on?

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Got to hope that, as a lad with his head screwed on, he, and indeed his agent, might think the best thing is to see out the entire season at St Mirren... keep progressing, keep picking up MoTM awards, pick up Scotland caps, pick up rave reviews, pick up more suitors, and pick up a Championship medal.... and then, instead of getting a decent move in January, get a great move in the summer. We can but hope.

He won't be signing a new deal with us, we know this. Like McGinn, Mallan and McAllister, he won't be around for the long haul, we also know this. We also know that the days of Jim McLean and Dundee United signing players to a hundred year contract are gone. We know that the club are powerless to stop players moving. We know the post-Bosman landscape.

All we can hope is that he plays the patient game and fancies sticking it out for a tilt at the title under Joma Jack and gets his big move just a bit later than January.

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Got to hope that, as a lad with his head screwed on, he, and indeed his agent, might think the best thing is to see out the entire season at St Mirren... keep progressing, keep picking up MoTM awards, pick up Scotland caps, pick up rave reviews, pick up more suitors, and pick up a Championship medal.... and then, instead of getting a decent move in January, get a great move in the summer. We can but hope.
He won't be signing a new deal with us, we know this. Like McGinn, Mallan and McAllister, he won't be around for the long haul, we also know this. We also know that the days of Jim McLean and Dundee United signing players to a hundred year contract are gone. We know that the club are powerless to stop players moving. We know the post-Bosman landscape.
All we can hope is that he plays the patient game and fancies sticking it out for a tilt at the title under Joma Jack and gets his big move just a bit later than January.


and in the meantime... Let's enjoy watching a very special talent while we have him.

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2 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:

 


and in the meantime... Let's enjoy watching a very special talent while we have him.

 

Indeed - and hope that when his move comes, we have secured a nice sell-on clause, and Morgan's move is more like Kenny Dalglish & Liverpool and less like, erm, many others. :D

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16 hours ago, stlucifer said:

I think many on here aren't grasping the reality of things. If Lewis' agent negotiates a PCA with another club Saints can't do anything about it. It really is that simple. They can't stop the deal. they can't demand a fee. It would be the other club who say, "He's ours. There's nowt you can do about it. Take the 80,000 in May or we might give you a little more if you let him come to us now.

That's the ONLY choice Saints' have.

In the face of that we'll see how determined the Board are to hold onto what might be a "down tools" player who may be concerned not to get injured. The only player I saw busting a gut for us when in that situation was Big Kirk.

Not sure I agree that the compensation figure would be £80k. I did some digging yesterday and the compensation is set based on parameters based upon the quality of the club/league the player moves to. The example I gave would be if he moved to a Category 1 club then the figure would be €400k (Derby are a category 1). You are right we can't stop the deal going through, however the "buying" club would need to be able to pay the compensation and an agreed deal might offer opportunities to stagger payments, or take back on loan for negotiation of the fee in lieu of compensation etc.

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8 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:

Aye... we've all been there, you dig so deep it looks like Fred West's garden party!

Here's the link to FIFA regulations covering compensation

https://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/02/88/90/97/circularno.1582-regulationsonthestatusandtransferofplayerscategorisationofclubsregistrationperiodsandeligibility_neutral.pdf

And here's the reference to Derby County category 1

https://www.dcfc.co.uk/news/2016/07/derby-retain-category-one-academy-status

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For those saying cash in in January and buy a replacement, where might we be playing this season had we cashed in on Mallan last January? Far more beneficial for the club to hold onto players like Morgan and sell when the time is right for the club from a football point of view, not just financially. Getting a bit less money in the summer could well be offset against the rewards of a promotion to the top league. 


I agree. A straight replacement for morgan would lose us money too unless we settle for a lesser player.

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If Morgan signs for a club outside the UK do we get hee haw a la Jamie Fullarton? If so, let's hope Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV Eindhoven weren't paying attention to the U21 international match the other week.

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