smcc Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, Bellside Bud said: You do know there was a general election after that poll that proved it was substantially out don't you Votes summary Popular vote SNP 36.9% Conservative 28.6% Labour 27.1% Liberal Democrats 6.8% Greens 0.2% UKIP 0.2% Other 0.2% Parliament seats SNP 59.3% Conservative 22.0% Labour 11.9% Liberal Democrats 6.8% Substantially out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) I am sure like most on here, I work closely with England, I also work within Europe Like most pro Indy Sites the overwhelming focus is on how poor wee Scotland gets raped and pillaged on a regular basis by Big Bad London..... This is not only totally untrue it also, more importantly , distracts for the true major issues ...... Its a road that is not only pointless, for anyone with any intellect its also insulting.... At the height of the SNPs power in 2015, they had a great chance with control in the Scottish Parliament , 56 MPs and an Indy Vote hovering around 50% to push on. Push Trident removal, seek investment, solidify industry.... But what happened, well we started feeling sorry for ourselves, Strugeon pushed the poor wee Scotland button , and with ignorance and totally lack of respect for the vast majority of the UK, and pushed ahead a crazy agenda for what? More Power? Or just more legislation?? SNPs got the Brexit Vote they wanted, ideal. Scotland In , England Out ( Actually London in to) what did they do with that mandate, well nothing, except press the poor wee Scotland Button again, alienating themselves in Europe, in the RUK and of course in Scotland......... The Basques being stormed by troops shows how things are dealt differently in parts of our EU cousins All down to the wee ankle biter Sturgeon , who managed to take herself from being one of the most respected Politian's in Europe, to just a wee noise in the corner.... and now does active harm to Scotland and the UK, her stance on Trump 9 even though he is a Class A ass, is far to vocal) So now SNPs despite Brexit looming, a weak Labour, a corrupt Gov is still going backwards.................. why- Because the SNPs have become more Anti English than they have Pro Scotland...................... Forgetting that the English not only highly populate Scotland, the religious factor, and that England in most cases, receives less funding, more bills- Education Higher and School, prescription charges and the like............... In fact, I would go on to say that Sturgeon has been far more effective for the Tories that Ruth has................................. I would also say for a woman who was not elected to her position , and therefore a mere Civil Servant , she should simply be sacked and replaced by Scottish Multi Party representation ..... No doubt this will upset the feelings of the poor wee Scots on here, but hey I was always a Patriot first , and never really a nationalist - whatever that stands for? Edited September 20, 2017 by DougJamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 You do know there was a general election after that poll that proved it was substantially out don't you Classis deflection. You do know that Swinney never had anything like either of those sets of figures, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 hour ago, smcc said: Votes summary Popular vote SNP 36.9% Conservative 28.6% Labour 27.1% Liberal Democrats 6.8% Greens 0.2% UKIP 0.2% Other 0.2% Parliament seats SNP 59.3% Conservative 22.0% Labour 11.9% Liberal Democrats 6.8% Substantially out? Over 5% - thats substantial in the world of opinion polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Ayrshire Saints said: All LA's and the DWP have confidentail fraud hotlines and they are well used (sometimes usefully sometimes malisciously). I never ever condone fraud low level or otherwise what I said is the current government and all those before them (not those of certain political persuasions) basically do but not really through choice. There has been millions spent on detecting fraud, the systems in place are good at detecting low level fraud (you appear to have misread / misunderstood my previous post) . It's complex organised systematic HB fraud that is very difficult to combat and that is where the money leaches out. You would be in favour of tax rises specifically to counter fraud ? Yep I would so long as it was properly channelled and target driven. If it delivered the right results the increased expenditure would only be in the first year anyway as it would quickly become self financing unless you are claiming that fraud detection and prevention would cost £1.3Bn per annum which would seem pretty incredible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 18 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: Classis deflection. You do know that Swinney never had anything like either of those sets of figures, don't you? I said since John Swinney. If he had figures better than these then I would have had to have gone back further in history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Bud the Baker said: May will see out the Brexit negotiations, how long she survives after that is anyone's guess, but she will never again be a strong Prime Minister. BoJo will not be the next leader of the Tories for the same reason that he didn't win when Cameron quit - he's upset too many people in the party. If TM goes before the next GE it'll likely be David Davies although I'd love to see Regency dude Jacob Rees-Mogg get the job (I've bought a job lot of Beauty Spots just in case). If TM makes it to the next GE it'll be one of the self-declared Golden Intake of 2010 . The existence of a Northern Powerhouse strategy is in itself evidence that London & the SE swallows up to much of the nation's resources and opinion that it is faltering appears to be gathering strength. People weigh up many factors before they cast their vote and I'd be surprised if folk up North views on this issue were closer to yours than mine. I wouldn't write off Theresa May yet. Even with a less than convincing performance in the General Election she picked up over 1m more votes a swing to the Consevatives of 5.5%, extended the Conservative appeal further North than most of her predecessors and, with the help of the brilliant Ruth Davidson, she's even seen a huge increase in support in Scotland. So much so that even some ardent Nationalists believe the Conservatives might win the next Scottish Election. There is a fair bit of ambitions positioning going on in the Conservative Party just now, but the idea that Theresa May is weaker as party leader than Jeremy Corbyn, or even Nicola Sturgeon right now is fanciful. The Labour Party are at war with themselves right now and it's only going to keep exploding as Momentum keep trying to squeeze out those candidates it believes to be Blairites. Then within the party there's all those different socialist factions that have started to rejoin and are jockeying for position. The Militant Tendency are back under the Labour wing as well - there's never been a group as divisive within a party as them. And over at the SNP everything's unravelling. They tried desperately to control their media output but the divisions are seeping out anyway. High profile party members are now out of work and desperately looking for a way back in and with Sturgeon strangely quiet it's hard to imagine a more under pressure leader right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bellside Bud said: I wouldn't write off Theresa May yet. Even with a less than convincing performance in the General Election she picked up over 1m more votes a swing to the Consevatives of 5.5%, extended the Conservative appeal further North than most of her predecessors and, with the help of the brilliant Ruth Davidson, she's even seen a huge increase in support in Scotland. So much so that even some ardent Nationalists believe the Conservatives might win the next Scottish Election. There is a fair bit of ambitions positioning going on in the Conservative Party just now, but the idea that Theresa May is weaker as party leader than Jeremy Corbyn, or even Nicola Sturgeon right now is fanciful. The Labour Party are at war with themselves right now and it's only going to keep exploding as Momentum keep trying to squeeze out those candidates it believes to be Blairites. Then within the party there's all those different socialist factions that have started to rejoin and are jockeying for position. The Militant Tendency are back under the Labour wing as well - there's never been a group as divisive within a party as them. And over at the SNP everything's unravelling. They tried desperately to control their media output but the divisions are seeping out anyway. High profile party members are now out of work and desperately looking for a way back in and with Sturgeon strangely quiet it's hard to imagine a more under pressure leader right now. Please can u supply any evidence on exactly how Ruth is brilliant- Unless of course your part of the LGBT movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 46 minutes ago, DougJamie said: I am sure like most on here, I work closely with England, I also work within Europe Like most pro Indy Sites the overwhelming focus is on how poor wee Scotland gets raped and pillaged on a regular basis by Big Bad London..... This is not only totally untrue it also, more importantly , distracts for the true major issues ...... Its a road that is not only pointless, for anyone with any intellect its also insulting.... At the height of the SNPs power in 2015, they had a great chance with control in the Scottish Parliament , 56 MPs and an Indy Vote hovering around 50% to push on. Push Trident removal, seek investment, solidify industry.... But what happened, well we started feeling sorry for ourselves, Strugeon pushed the poor wee Scotland button , and with ignorance and totally lack of respect for the vast majority of the UK, and pushed ahead a crazy agenda for what? More Power? Or just more legislation?? SNPs got the Brexit Vote they wanted, ideal. Scotland In , England Out ( Actually London in to) what did they do with that mandate, well nothing, except press the poor wee Scotland Button again, alienating themselves in Europe, in the RUK and of course in Scotland......... The Basques being stormed by troops shows how things are dealt differently in parts of our EU cousins All down to the wee ankle biter Sturgeon , who managed to take herself from being one of the most respected Politian's in Europe, to just a wee noise in the corner.... and now does active harm to Scotland and the UK, her stance on Trump 9 even though he is a Class A ass, is far to vocal) So now SNPs despite Brexit looming, a weak Labour, a corrupt Gov is still going backwards.................. why- Because the SNPs have become more Anti English than they have Pro Scotland...................... Forgetting that the English not only highly populate Scotland, the religious factor, and that England in most cases, receives less funding, more bills- Education Higher and School, prescription charges and the like............... In fact, I would go on to say that Sturgeon has been far more effective for the Tories that Ruth has................................. I would also say for a woman who was not elected to her position , and therefore a mere Civil Servant , she should simply be sacked and replaced by Scottish Multi Party representation ..... No doubt this will upset the feelings of the poor wee Scots on here, but hey I was always a Patriot first , and never really a nationalist - whatever that stands for? A bit of a rant I guess but congratulations on your enlightenment. For what it's worth, I'm the same. I love Scotland. I want the best for my kids, my country and for my fellow countrymen. That's why I voted to stay in the Union and it's why I voted Conservative. No-one within the SNP ever came up with a credible vision of the future that suggested any of us would be better off as an independent country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bellside Bud said: A bit of a rant I guess but congratulations on your enlightenment. For what it's worth, I'm the same. I love Scotland. I want the best for my kids, my country and for my fellow countrymen. That's why I voted to stay in the Union and it's why I voted Conservative. No-one within the SNP ever came up with a credible vision of the future that suggested any of us would be better off as an independent country Yeah apologies was a long winded rant....... the non Shull approach - why use 21 posts when 1 will do Edited September 20, 2017 by DougJamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, DougJamie said: Please can u supply any evidence on exactly how Ruth is brilliant- Unless of course your part of the LGBT movement? Erm yes. It's all there in the General Election results. Previous Scottish Leaders found it difficult, no matter how sensible the policy was or how articulate they were in presenting them, they couldn't get the Scottish Electorate to listen. Ruth Davidson has changed that. She's been a very comfortable leader. She is likeable, she's happy to self deprecate, she'll even voice her honest opinion in conflict with some of those within her party - and she does all of that whilst presenting the Conservative policies to the Scottish Public who now seem to be listening more intently. She's everything Nicola Sturgeon isn't and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 34 minutes ago, Bellside Bud said: Over 5% - thats substantial in the world of opinion polls. 41 - 36.9 = 4.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 We could all do more about it though simply by reporting fraud where we see it. It shouldn't be socially acceptable. Stealing from those who genuinely qualify and need welfare benefit should be seen by as all as abhorrent as seeing a father load up his car with four kids after downing 6 vodkas in a bar. It's not right, and yet all too often those of a certain political persuasion tell us we should ignore it because it's "low level fraud". We need to reset social attitudes and if that costs a bit more money in the short term then why shouldn't we back it? You said it would be suicide for a political party to raise tax to fight fraud in the welfare state - why should it be? Utter whataboutery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bellside Bud said: Erm yes. It's all there in the General Election results. Previous Scottish Leaders found it difficult, no matter how sensible the policy was or how articulate they were in presenting them, they couldn't get the Scottish Electorate to listen. Ruth Davidson has changed that. She's been a very comfortable leader. She is likeable, she's happy to self deprecate, she'll even voice her honest opinion in conflict with some of those within her party - and she does all of that whilst presenting the Conservative policies to the Scottish Public who now seem to be listening more intently. She's everything Nicola Sturgeon isn't and more. Oh come on, are u serious??? She is a Class A Clown- Oh and so true to her word. Remember her decent Remain speech, 2 months later she is ripping it up and pushing Brexit when her country voted 62% to stay. Its all about anti SNP rather than Pro Scotland, and the fact that she also throws in her LGBT views I find pretty appalling, at least KD kept her private life private............ In an appalling Tory party, with laughable Front Benchers like BoJo and David Davis , yes she will stand out .................. Big Deal She doesn't represent Scotland , she does represent LGBT- What is it with Scottish Tories??---- God help us if that becomes our FM........................... Her an the Irish PM can have a wee party I am afraid Politicians that are any good are in very short supply, maybe the internet has exposed most of them........ The only thing that matters to me and my Kids, is to still have a world to grow up in. As the Tories are all for Trident that ends it for me, especially with that nutter Trump making threats and slagging off nations...................... the Tories are on the rise for one simple reason my friend, bigotry, sectarianism and the orange order- A wee alliance with the DUP - Lovely... You must be proud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, DougJamie said: Oh come on, are u serious??? She is a Class A Clown- Oh and so true to her word. Remember her decent Remain speech, 2 months later she is ripping it up and pushing Brexit when her country voted 62% to stay. Its all about anti SNP rather than Pro Scotland, and the fact that she also throws in her LGBT views I find pretty appalling, at least KD kept her private life private............ In an appalling Tory party, with laughable Front Benchers like BoJo and David Davis , yes she will stand out .................. Big Deal She doesn't represent Scotland , she does represent LGBT- What is it with Scottish Tories??---- God help us if that becomes our FM........................... Her an the Irish PM can have a wee party I am afraid Politicians that are any good are in very short supply, maybe the internet has exposed most of them........ The only thing that matters to me and my Kids, is to still have a world to grow up in. As the Tories are all for Trident that ends it for me, especially with that nutter Trump making threats and slagging off nations...................... the Tories are on the rise for one simple reason my friend, bigotry, sectarianism and the orange order- A wee alliance with the DUP - Lovely... You must be proud I can't understand where you are coming from. Are you saying that it was OK for Alex Salmond to parade his wife around, or for Nicola Sturgeon to be seen in public with her husband, but that Ruth Davidson should have hidden away her partner for fear of offending poor wee souls like you? I would have thought most of society today would have moved on from that kind of blatant homophobia. As for Brexit, I've got some news for you incase you missed it. The Conservative Party leader at the time - David Cameron - supported Remain and was one of it's most vocal exponents. So was the then Chancellor - George Osbourne. Ruth Davidson also openly stated she backed Remain stating that leaving would have economic consequences. I voted to Remain. Even Theresa May reportedly voted to remain within the EU. On the other hand we know Jeremy Corbyn long backed leaving the EU, and we know from reports within the SNP that around 40% of their elected members backed leaving the EU - including party grandee Jim Sillars. The thing is it got put to a vote in a referendum and the UK electorate voted to leave the EU so now all of those people working within government have a duty put upon them regardless of their personal preference, to work towards leaving the EU on the best possible terms for the UK. And that's exactly what they are working towards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Bellside Bud said: I can't understand where you are coming from. Are you saying that it was OK for Alex Salmond to parade his wife around, or for Nicola Sturgeon to be seen in public with her husband, but that Ruth Davidson should have hidden away her partner for fear of offending poor wee souls like you? I would have thought most of society today would have moved on from that kind of blatant homophobia. As for Brexit, I've got some news for you incase you missed it. The Conservative Party leader at the time - David Cameron - supported Remain and was one of it's most vocal exponents. So was the then Chancellor - George Osbourne. Ruth Davidson also openly stated she backed Remain stating that leaving would have economic consequences. I voted to Remain. Even Theresa May reportedly voted to remain within the EU. On the other hand we know Jeremy Corbyn long backed leaving the EU, and we know from reports within the SNP that around 40% of their elected members backed leaving the EU - including party grandee Jim Sillars. The thing is it got put to a vote in a referendum and the UK electorate voted to leave the EU so now all of those people working within government have a duty put upon them regardless of their personal preference, to work towards leaving the EU on the best possible terms for the UK. And that's exactly what they are working towards. No, No , No- I never said anything homophobic so don't play that card, I said about her bleating about LGBTrights and abusing Power- thats two totally different things. But a good try. I am fully aware of the Tories main stance, however I also aware that they also allowed blatant racism to spout from their senior members . As for Cameron he is the main reason we are in the total mess we are in. Even Trump needs a 66% majority in both Houses to push legislation .... Cameron twice could have quashed rebellions by simply putting 60% on Indy and Brexit..... He could have killed off UKIP and the SNP at the same time So yes I totally blame the Tories for the mess we are in..... and yet you and many other Scots support them in the name of unity? Fair enough been Scotlands downfall for over 1000 years and the reason we never will be independent . We are far to divided Edited September 20, 2017 by DougJamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 I said since John Swinney. If he had figures better than these then I would have had to have gone back further in history. 41 - 36.9 = 4.1 Classic deflection. Make a post implying that the SNP figures are crashing back down to the level they were at in 2004, get proven entirely wrong then claim that wasn't at all what was meant. Scrub that, classic StuD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellside Bud Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 37 minutes ago, DougJamie said: No, No , No- I never said anything homophobic so don't play that card, I said about her bleating about LGBTrights and abusing Power- thats two totally different things. But a good try. I am fully aware of the Tories main stance, however I also aware that they also allowed blatant racism to spout from their senior members . As for Cameron he is the main reason we are in the total mess we are in. Even Trump needs a 66% majority in both Houses to push legislation .... Cameron twice could have quashed rebellions by simply putting 60% on Indy and Brexit..... He could have killed off UKIP and the SNP at the same time So yes I totally blame the Tories for the mess we are in..... and yet you and many other Scots support them in the name of unity? Fair enough been Scotlands downfall for over 1000 years and the reason we never will be independent . We are far to divided Well it was you who wanted her to keep her private life private. Why should she be treated any differently to anyone else? You haven't condemned Nicola Sturgeon for having her husband by her side so why demand different from Ruth Davidson. I also don't understand why her expressing her views on LGBT is so offensive either. She's openly gay, and is no doubt asked about her opinion on a range of topics regarding the LGBT community. If she wants to represent them then what is wrong with that? If I were a politician I might also choose to fight for the rights of deaf people - because my parents were deaf and it's a subject I understand. It's not necessarily about vote whoring and I really do doubt that was what Ruth Davidson was doing anyway. As for the rest, can you imagine the indignation in the SNP and around the Scottish Nationalist movement if David Cameron insisted on 60% of Scots voting for Independence. In my opinion he took a risk but he killed Scottish Independence stone dead by making it a fair fight. We voted to stay in the union, in a simple case of most votes = win. If Cameron had done as you wanted and the nationalists got 51% of the vote the feeling of being cheated would have been trumpeted everywhere. As it is they only got 45% of the vote. They lost. They are losers. Sore losers but losers none the less. Scotland doesn't want separatism. The majority of us don't hate England. And the majority of us recognised the importance of the UK economy and all of the strong cultural and trade links that we have with our closest neighbours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Bellside Bud said: I wouldn't write off Theresa May yet. Even with a less than convincing performance in the General Election she picked up over 1m more votes a swing to the Consevatives of 5.5%, extended the Conservative appeal further North than most of her predecessors and, with the help of the brilliant Ruth Davidson, she's even seen a huge increase in support in Scotland. So much so that even some ardent Nationalists believe the Conservatives might win the next Scottish Election. There is a fair bit of ambitions positioning going on in the Conservative Party just now, but the idea that Theresa May is weaker as party leader than Jeremy Corbyn, or even Nicola Sturgeon right now is fanciful. The Labour Party are at war with themselves right now and it's only going to keep exploding as Momentum keep trying to squeeze out those candidates it believes to be Blairites. Then within the party there's all those different socialist factions that have started to rejoin and are jockeying for position. The Militant Tendency are back under the Labour wing as well - there's never been a group as divisive within a party as them. And over at the SNP everything's unravelling. They tried desperately to control their media output but the divisions are seeping out anyway. High profile party members are now out of work and desperately looking for a way back in and with Sturgeon strangely quiet it's hard to imagine a more under pressure leader right now. Ruth Davidson brilliant - you obviously missed her TV performances when she was challenged about the Bedroom Tax by a guy with Asprergers and again when defending the "Rape Clause" she's possibly even more brittle than TM when put under pressure, I actually welcome the Tories as the main opposition in Scotland as it polarizes the situation which hasten the inevitable breakup of the Union. As for TM being stronger within her party than Nicola Sturgeon that particular piece of analysis is the joke of the week. Serious question - do you actually believe anything you post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 12 minutes ago, Bellside Bud said: Well it was you who wanted her to keep her private life private. Why should she be treated any differently to anyone else? You haven't condemned Nicola Sturgeon for having her husband by her side so why demand different from Ruth Davidson. I also don't understand why her expressing her views on LGBT is so offensive either. She's openly gay, and is no doubt asked about her opinion on a range of topics regarding the LGBT community. If she wants to represent them then what is wrong with that? If I were a politician I might also choose to fight for the rights of deaf people - because my parents were deaf and it's a subject I understand. It's not necessarily about vote whoring and I really do doubt that was what Ruth Davidson was doing anyway. As for the rest, can you imagine the indignation in the SNP and around the Scottish Nationalist movement if David Cameron insisted on 60% of Scots voting for Independence. In my opinion he took a risk but he killed Scottish Independence stone dead by making it a fair fight. We voted to stay in the union, in a simple case of most votes = win. If Cameron had done as you wanted and the nationalists got 51% of the vote the feeling of being cheated would have been trumpeted everywhere. As it is they only got 45% of the vote. They lost. They are losers. Sore losers but losers none the less. Scotland doesn't want separatism. The majority of us don't hate England. And the majority of us recognised the importance of the UK economy and all of the strong cultural and trade links that we have with our closest neighbours. That's not the platform for LGBT, they have a voice, however how BiSexual or Transvestites can have rights is beyond me and I am sure millions of other people, yet say that in 2017 and your " homophobic" . Does it really matter what the SNPs had said , and do seriously believe any life changing bill should rely on 50.000000000001% . There is the problem. With the 45 Club abd obviously Remain still being a huge voice.... Your really good at telling what I am or what I wanted- Typical self absorbed Tory. I never wanted 51% or school kids, I wanted the electorate to speak and they did, by losing we gained more power. By winning Brexit we sure will be gaining lots of new powers, trouble is they sit with what is the Tories and what they now are and stand for. Not the party my parents voted for as Unionists ............ You really do sound like Ruthies scriptwriter, " Losers" , sure you don't have a wee tin whistle and a 1690 tattoo to go with it....... Obviously in pink to go with your BT support Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 44 minutes ago, salmonbuddie said: Classic deflection. Make a post implying that the SNP figures are crashing back down to the level they were at in 2004, get proven entirely wrong then claim that wasn't at all what was meant. Scrub that, classic StuD. If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion but mindless nonsense, sniping and abuse, you could just refrain from posting. It would actually be quite good to see you engage in an adult debate about all of these issues but it seems you simply cannot allow others to hold a different opinion to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 1 hour ago, DougJamie said: No, No , No- I never said anything homophobic so don't play that card, I said about her bleating about LGBTrights and abusing Power- thats two totally different things. But a good try. Yes but when you ask her to keep her private life private whilst having no problem with heterosexuals to parade their partners, you are on dodgy ground. You are also on dodgy ground because you clearly have a problem with someone publicly fighting for LGBT rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 2 hours ago, TPAFKATS said: Utter whataboutery You clearly don't know what whataboutery means. Whataboutery is when someone posts "Benefits fraudsters should be clamped down on" and your response is "Aye but whit aboot them tax dodgers". THAT would be whataboutery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion but mindless nonsense, sniping and abuse, you could just refrain from posting. It would actually be quite good to see you engage in an adult debate about all of these issues but it seems you simply cannot allow others to hold a different opinion to you. I did attempt, but got nonsense back, no acknowledgement of getting it wrong. Classic Stud, lesson learned.Then a telling off from "teacher" - sorry, Sir, I won't make any such attempt again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said: Ruth Davidson brilliant - you obviously missed her TV performances when she was challenged about the Bedroom Tax by a guy with Asprergers and again when defending the "Rape Clause" she's possibly even more brittle than TM when put under pressure, I actually welcome the Tories as the main opposition in Scotland as it polarizes the situation which hasten the inevitable breakup of the Union. As for TM being stronger within her party than Nicola Sturgeon that particular piece of analysis is the joke of the week. Serious question - do you actually believe anything you post? It's all a matter of opinion but IMO she handled that "Rape Clause" brilliantly. If she hadn't she would not have secured a dozen seats in Scotland for the Tories at a GE for the first time since......actually I can't remember. 1980s? You are not giving her enough credit for that. TBH, nobody in the SNP is giving her enough credit for that. This is the sort of total arrogance which destroyed Labour. The SNP are starting to show signs of going the same way, which is a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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