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It's almost as if you're gagging for defeats so you can revisit this thread in a few weeks.

If flags not on display will turn wins to defeats, we may as well get rid of all coaching staff as they clearly aren't needed.

Easy remark for you to make.

 

Entirely wrong however. We have finally found a good balance between the atmosphere & results on the pitch, they compliment each other I think.

 

If home games atmosphere is reduced & the defeats follow, perhaps that’ll just be coincidence.

 

We are always being told ‘back the team’ be vocal, create an atmosphere & the noisiest part of the support are being suppressed.

 

Just my opinion though.

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45 minutes ago, whydowebother said:

Easy remark for you to make.

 

Entirely wrong however. We have finally found a good balance between the atmosphere & results on the pitch, they compliment each other I think.

 

If home games atmosphere is reduced & the defeats follow, perhaps that’ll just be coincidence.

 

We are always being told ‘back the team’ be vocal, create an atmosphere & the noisiest part of the support are being suppressed.

 

Just my opinion though.

The noisiest part of the support are being suppressed? They are still welcome to attend and sit or stand in their usual section and sing and bang their drum!

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The noisiest part of the support are being suppressed? They are still welcome to attend and sit or stand in their usual section and sing and bang their drum!

I take your point, but I think their enthusiasm for generating noise will be dampened, so rather than then motivating the team, it’ll need to be the other way round.


The ban could be counter productive.

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It's an OTT reaction from the club.

The worrying thing is that we could be on a championship winning season so they have banned flags and banners until the end of the season maybe the BOD do not have faith in their club

A stupid decision needs a rethink from the club

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1 hour ago, Sonny said:

Did the Club at any point give you guidelines as to what was acceptable on banners?

I ask as you state 'We knew the banner was gonna be on the line'. Was that because you had prior knowledge of what was acceptable or did you come to your own conclusion?

No never given guidelines. We were given pretty extensive rules on the drum, that were posted on the official site. As for flags and banners, we go by stadium rules. (Can’t be above a certain height etc)

We try to apply common sense when it comes to content. 

“This love will last forever” was from a courteeners song. “

“This is our home, this is our fortress” we came up with ourselvess. Same with “The Fight Is On”

“The Saints are coming” - Green Day / U2 - + a nod to our promotion bid

As for the Morton ones - previously we’ve had “hopeless and soapless”

Then of course “Morton scum, trophyless since 1922”, with images of our trophies behind it

Personally don’t think we’ve ever been offensive. As a rule of thumb, we wouldn’t swear on a banner, scum seemed like fair game as it’s just dirty stuff floating on liquid - which reminds us of Greenock.... 100% meant as banter. But yeah, not everyone seen it that way

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15 minutes ago, Undertaker said:

 

11 minutes ago, Undertaker said:

End of story really. Up to group to convince board it will not happen again and see if ban can be shortened. If not lets all just get on with supporting the team. 

 

COYS

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So how do we get off with posting pictures of a morton mascot being hanged in an official club magazine? I could name various other times we’ve had a joke about our rivals in an “official” capacity 

The double standards are ridiculous. If we’re gonna adopt a dictators approach to our ground and the rules, even when it comes to a derby, the game really is over

 

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3 minutes ago, Doakes said:

So how do we get off with posting pictures of a morton mascot being hanged in an official club magazine? I could name various other times we’ve had a joke about our rivals in an “official” capacity 

The double standards are ridiculous. If we’re gonna adopt a dictators approach to our ground and the rules, even when it comes to a derby, the game really is over

 

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Fair point but starting a schoolboy "well look what he done" attitude won't cut it. 

This is going round in circles, an errors been made, not a hanging offence and I'd hope some acknowledgement from the club, whoever made the decision,  that everyone has learned a lesson and move on. 

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Just now, Undertaker said:

2011

Wrong now,  grow up.

What’s changed between 2011 and now? It’s literally the same teams and the same humour. Are we really at the stage in where you can’t make a joke? Should comedians not be allowed to tell rude jokes on tv in case they offend people? 

:mellow:

stop the planet, I want off 

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1 minute ago, Undertaker said:

Read the rules in 2017.

Then apologise to the Club , Morton and folks from Greenock.

 

We’re going round in circles. Shall await a response from the club and hopefully someone will see sense 

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46 minutes ago, Doakes said:

No never given guidelines. We were given pretty extensive rules on the drum, that were posted on the official site. As for flags and banners, we go by stadium rules. (Can’t be above a certain height etc)

We try to apply common sense when it comes to content. 

“This love will last forever” was from a courteeners song. “

“This is our home, this is our fortress” we came up with ourselvess. Same with “The Fight Is On”

“The Saints are coming” - Green Day / U2 - + a nod to our promotion bid

As for the Morton ones - previously we’ve had “hopeless and soapless”

Then of course “Morton scum, trophyless since 1922”, with images of our trophies behind it

Personally don’t think we’ve ever been offensive. As a rule of thumb, we wouldn’t swear on a banner, scum seemed like fair game as it’s just dirty stuff floating on liquid - which reminds us of Greenock.... 100% meant as banter. But yeah, not everyone seen it that way

Thanks for the clarification.

Things have changed from 2011 and will continue to change. When I started going to games fans threw bricks and glass bottles full of piss at each other. Sectarian and racial chanting was commonplace as was chanting about sexuality. Thank goodness things change.

The SPFL have guidelines and possible action for a breach of unacceptable behaviour and the Club could be reprimanded because it failed to take action. No-one has been removed, banned or referred to the police. W7 people can still attend, bang a drum and sing to their hearts' content. All that has happened is a ban on banners. A written apology may help move things on.

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The Panda Group are more grown up and sing louder than W7. Even every away support drown out W7, and that is sometimes with about 10 fans singing.

W7 boys would be better moving to the Family Stand where the acoustics seem to be better and the Panda Children would help them out.

From the Main Stand, I can only hear noise from the South & North Stands.

Maybe loud halers needed in W7.

 

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26 minutes ago, Sonny said:

Thanks for the clarification.

Things have changed from 2011 and will continue to change. When I started going to games fans threw bricks and glass bottles full of piss at each other. Sectarian and racial chanting was commonplace as was chanting about sexuality. Thank goodness things change.

The SPFL have guidelines and possible action for a breach of unacceptable behaviour and the Club could be reprimanded because it failed to take action. No-one has been removed, banned or referred to the police. W7 people can still attend, bang a drum and sing to their hearts' content. All that has happened is a ban on banners. A written apology may help move things on.

From reading those rules, the only area it could potentially fall under is insulting, depending on your definition. As we’ve said, it is borderline. We actually went and asked on the Morton fans page on Facebook if anyone was insulted - no one said they were.  

Think the only ones “insulted” are our a small minority of our own fans. 

We would know if the SPFL or Morton had complained. 

If this is the worst you get in 2017, you’re right in your assessment that things have improved. But if you want an environment where even banter becomes unacceptable, the atmosphere in fitba grounds will go rapidly downhill. Have a look at the PL down south. Soulless. 

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1 hour ago, Doakes said:

No never given guidelines. We were given pretty extensive rules on the drum, that were posted on the official site. As for flags and banners, we go by stadium rules. (Can’t be above a certain height etc)

We try to apply common sense when it comes to content. 

“This love will last forever” was from a courteeners song. “

“This is our home, this is our fortress” we came up with ourselvess. Same with “The Fight Is On”

“The Saints are coming” - Green Day / U2 - + a nod to our promotion bid

As for the Morton ones - previously we’ve had “hopeless and soapless”

Then of course “Morton scum, trophyless since 1922”, with images of our trophies behind it

Personally don’t think we’ve ever been offensive. As a rule of thumb, we wouldn’t swear on a banner, scum seemed like fair game as it’s just dirty stuff floating on liquid - which reminds us of Greenock.... 100% meant as banter. But yeah, not everyone seen it that way

Those are cover versions. The band who came up with the original played in the Town Hall last Friday.

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7 minutes ago, Eric Arthur Blair said:

Those are cover versions. The band who came up with the original played in the Town Hall last Friday.

It was an excellent rendition too.

Could I suggest in the way of an apology to the unwashed fans next time that they visit, that we get permission for a banner with "Not Greenock scum" on it?:rolleyes:

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9 minutes ago, cockles1987 said:

 

 


So is the club in the wrong now from breaking their own rules regarding drums according to the link you provided?

 

 

Not wrong now, as rules were changed and new guidelines were laid out for those in W7 regarding the Drum.

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26 minutes ago, Doakes said:

From reading those rules, the only area it could potentially fall under is insulting, depending on your definition. As we’ve said, it is borderline. We actually went and asked on the Morton fans page on Facebook if anyone was insulted - no one said they were.  

Think the only ones “insulted” are our a small minority of our own fans. 

We would know if the SPFL or Morton had complained. 

If this is the worst you get in 2017, you’re right in your assessment that things have improved. But if you want an environment where even banter becomes unacceptable, the atmosphere in fitba grounds will go rapidly downhill. Have a look at the PL down south. Soulless. 

We are a Family Club and those in charge just don't want Neds ruining it.

The Banner was not needed.

Try be Men , hold your hands up and apologise to all concerned.

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