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1 minute ago, cockles1987 said:

 

 

 


So why provide a link to outdated rules. emoji24.png

 

 

 

So, they haven't been updated.

The boys in W7 were informed what was required regarding the Drum.

As you well now,

 

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13 minutes ago, Undertaker said:

We are a Family Club and those in charge just don't want Neds ruining it.

The Banner was not needed.

Try be Men , hold your hands up and apologise to all concerned.

I know who is required here

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Any Midori? 

For the record if you’d ever been in W7, you’d know it’s far from what you’re trying to paint us as. All ages, all genders. You’re getting a wee bit close to the insulting rule now :lol: 

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2 minutes ago, Doakes said:

I know who is required here

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Any Midori? 

For the record if you’d ever been in W7, you’d know it’s far from what you’re trying to paint us as. All ages, all genders. You’re getting a wee bit close to the insulting rule now :lol: 

FFS, gentlemen, give it a rest.

Circles again, it seems pretty clear of the error and possible solution.

Keep banging it about is only post counting...................oh wait. 

TBH It's not the end of the world any way this goes. 

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Think we all agree on three things

1 The banner was unacceptable

2 The club had every right and probably a responsibility under SPFL rules to react

3 The season long ban was an over reaction

Perhaps a message from the fans as above will covince the board to reconsider the penalty

An online petition to the board asking for a review while clearly stating the above might be better than gnashing of teeth wringing of hands and boycotts

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5 hours ago, Danny said:

Think we all agree on three things

1 The banner was unacceptable

2 The club had every right and probably a responsibility under SPFL rules to react

3 The season long ban was an over reaction

Perhaps a message from the fans as above will covince the board to reconsider the penalty

An online petition to the board asking for a review while clearly stating the above might be better than gnashing of teeth wringing of hands and boycotts

I disagree with No, 3.

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8 hours ago, Danny said:

Think we all agree on three things

1 The banner was unacceptable

2 The club had every right and probably a responsibility under SPFL rules to react

3 The season long ban was an over reaction

Perhaps a message from the fans as above will covince the board to reconsider the penalty

An online petition to the board asking for a review while clearly stating the above might be better than gnashing of teeth wringing of hands and boycotts

Spot on.

Point 3 could possibly and I imagine will be overturned and brought down in terms on length of ban. I think with the amount of online publicity it has generated including taking over the promotion of half-season tickets on social media, there will be a reaction soon. 

Boycotts are no use and achieve nothing. Especially when the players need us more than ever whilst we try and climb back to the top of the league. Show your support with your noise from your mouth and hands on a matchday with or without the banners/flags till this things resolves itself.

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Quick re-cap:

Old people be like 'Ban Everything'

No one has suggested a boycott, but that hasn't stopped several posters saying how awful,that would be.

The club retain the right to act like fuds in any given scenario. And getting the Slo to do their dirty work.... poor form!

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Think we all agree on three things
1 The banner was unacceptable
2 The club had every right and probably a responsibility under SPFL rules to react
3 The season long ban was an over reaction
Perhaps a message from the fans as above will covince the board to reconsider the penalty
An online petition to the board asking for a review while clearly stating the above might be better than gnashing of teeth wringing of hands and boycotts

I don't think the banner was unacceptable.

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5 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:


I don't think the banner was unacceptable.

I didn't either, but I did think it may be pushing the buttons of those who love nothing more than to be outraged by just about everything, and as such was half expecting a reaction such as this.

A slap on the wrist and a " Lets not do it again" chat with the W7 guys would have been appropriate IMO.

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39 minutes ago, Doakes said:

This has all got rather silly, and there’s no need for some to be rude..

Last post I’ll be making on here until the club respond

A-  Regarding the rules, which seem to have been plucked from thin air as we had never seen them - the definition of “insulting” needs to be established. Does insulting mean you’re not allowed any parody or “banter” at a derby match anymore? 

B- As we said when we first put this out, we feel the ban is disproportionate and unfair, and needs to be looked at and addressed

C- To the forum users referring to us as “neds” and “silly wee boys”, that’s just rude and uncalled for. All we’ve asked for is to be treated fairly

A. The 'display of offensive material' is listed in a couple of Club Policies to be found on the Official Club website  ( https://www.stmirren.com/club/about-st-mirren/club-policies )  and are similar to policies held by other Clubs. I only checked Falkirk and Dunfermline which have the same policies as I suspect every Club must have. The thing is it is the Club that would pay the penalty by the SPFL and Police Scotland by a breaking of the policies so it is the Club that rightly decides what is acceptable and not supporters. It is easy to have an opinion without the responsibility.

B. You admit yourself that you were probably crossing the line but continued to do so therefore there was intent so you can hardly blame the Club for pulling you up about it. The non-display of banners for a few months  is not much of a punishment. Banners have to be 'owned' by individuals as far as I can see from the Club policies so the 'owner' could have been banned from the stadium for breaching the rules. An apology would go a long way to defusing the situation or do not you not accept any responsibility?

C. Agree that personal comments are not necessary however 'treated fairly' is subjective. I would like to think an apology, some remorse and non-threatening communication may reduce your sentence. Try and see it from the Club's perspective as well as your own.

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We're back into the definition of what's offensive again.
If the banner was offensive then surely police Scotland would've been 'chapping' doors in the days after the game, or at least nabbing the owner of the banner after the game and quoting the OBFA.

It was edgy and I at least found it funny. The best humour often is edgy.

I'm not getting how it's offensive to call Morton fans Greenock Scum in the context of a game where they are singing about us living in Paisley slums and raking through dustbins.

They call us skunks, we call them soapdodgers.
Meh

Offence is always taken, never given.

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18 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:

We're back into the definition of what's offensive again.
If the banner was offensive then surely police Scotland would've been 'chapping' doors in the days after the game, or at least nabbing the owner of the banner after the game and quoting the OBFA.

It was edgy and I at least found it funny. The best humour often is edgy.

I'm not getting how it's offensive to call Morton fans Greenock Scum in the context of a game where they are singing about us living in Paisley slums and raking through dustbins.

They call us skunks, we call them soapdodgers.
Meh

Offence is always taken, never given.

Good example here . No offence was taken .

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Whether it’s seen as petty or not, this is most certainly an unwelcome distraction from our drive to win this division.

success is built on cohesion in all parts of a club. It’s no accident that successful managers and players mention the importance of having the supporters totally behind them, which we have had from the day that Jack took over. To divide support at this crucial time would be a shame after the hard work that’s gone into getting everyone behind the team and their support being acknowledged by the club.

The SLO could have initiated a meeting with a representation from the group responsible and gave them the opportunity to make amends hence maintaining the inclusivity which up until now has been a joy to watch as it grows into a passionate force helping us to win games.

 

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Surely if the banner is deemed unacceptable and offensive, then just about every instruction bellowed by our management team from the bench is a more severe breach as they are serial offenders. Should Fowler & Ross be banned? One of them went into the stands last season to 'av it' with his detractors, if it was a fan invading the pitch then its an automatic lifetime ban.

the club have made a rip roaring c**t of themselves... again.

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On 11/21/2017 at 7:19 PM, Doakes said:

Just to reply to some of the above

 

We’ve never been warned since we started the section. In fact all feedback has been positive. Even from JR and the players.

We knew the banner was gonna be on the line of what was acceptable - but was only meant as being a bit cheeky - drawing attention to how long it was since they last won a cup!

There was no backlash from Morton fans, so can’t imagine they were too offended. In fact had a few of them backing us up on twitter. They had one a few seasons back with Tesselaar’s “shitehole” headline..

We hold our hands up that the banner was a wee bit on the line - and would accept a slap on the wrist or a few games flag ban. But till the end of the season? Don’t think it was that bad. 

So you were willing to accept punishment in advance?  But only the kind of punishment that YOU think is fair? 

According to another poster, a few individuals chose to exclude the usual contributors.  Perhaps those involved could offer their names to the club and accept a stadium ban or exclusion from the singing section to allow the others to enjoy their hobby.

The club has a duty to ensure that the atmosphere inside the ground is healthy as defined in modern attitudes.  Calling people scum using a facility granted by the club was indeed pushing it.  It might be tame by the standards of days gone by, but is outwith current acceptable limits.

Did you think about displaying such a banner at Cappielow?

Given an inch and you took a mile, 

 

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15 hours ago, Doakes said:

From reading those rules, the only area it could potentially fall under is insulting, depending on your definition. As we’ve said, it is borderline. We actually went and asked on the Morton fans page on Facebook if anyone was insulted - no one said they were.  

Think the only ones “insulted” are our a small minority of our own fans. 

We would know if the SPFL or Morton had complained. 

If this is the worst you get in 2017, you’re right in your assessment that things have improved. But if you want an environment where even banter becomes unacceptable, the atmosphere in fitba grounds will go rapidly downhill. Have a look at the PL down south. Soulless. 

^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^

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