oaksoft Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Very well explained . Oaksoft does not get how severe the situation is for some families. It would do him the world of good to go along and help in a food bank for a day I'm sure he would grasp the situation. I'm flabbergasted how politicians got away with austerity cuts to those who actually need it the most. Working conditions rules changed by politicians. I know a woman from Rothesay who worked at Amazon Greenock. She would get the ferry then bus arrived at Amazon to be told she is not needed today. The same nonsense goes on at the vagan sheese factory in Rothesay. Its common for some to get a call later in the afternoon to go work for two hours. Seriously is this 2020 or 1930. Actually Oaksoft understands all too well the problem of people taking on too much personal debt through their own fault. And Ricky's response agreed with me. Fascinating that both you and he think he posted something different. I've already posted about zero hour contracts elsewhere. Perhaps the pair of you should read MY posts before saying daft things. Edited September 23, 2019 by oaksoft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faraway saint Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, cockles1987 said: But you said....... You just can't help making stuff up, please seek help. A COO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salmonbuddie Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) Don't think this is really the place for a debate on foodbanks. I made my post in response to wdwb's and added a bit to try to persuade others that the vast, overwhelming majority of donations go to deserving people. Once again, a fantastic effort from the supporters, well done everyone who chipped in and hopefully I've managed to get some of the doubters to reconsider donating the next time around. Edited September 23, 2019 by salmonbuddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 35 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Actually Oaksoft understands all too well the problem of people taking on too much personal debt through their own fault. And Ricky's response agreed with me. Fascinating that both you and he think he posted something different. I've already posted about zero hour contracts elsewhere. Perhaps the pair of you should read MY posts before saying daft things. The ones I know using the food bank over here who have no loans. They can pay Bill's, rent now they are truly skint. A lot of them are embarrassed using a food bank. I get people abusing the system now as it means more money. Unfortunately the vast majority are honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: You want me to re-read your post and then you simply repeat what I just said - pople have taken on too much debt and no longer budget to save. Are you competing with TPAK-thingy to see who can post the daftest response to someone? Hilarious. Thanks. Made my day.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, faraway saint said: A COO? Stupid is as stupid does. And you guys do it a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: The ones I know using the food bank over here who have no loans. They can pay Bill's, rent now they are truly skint. A lot of them are embarrassed using a food bank. I get people abusing the system now as it means more money. Unfortunately the vast majority are honest. The lad doesn't read IOBS. He is also heavily weighed down by self certainty which inhibits his ability to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, St.Ricky said: The lad doesn't read IOBS. He is also heavily weighed down by self certainty which inhibits his ability to learn. Funny I used to get wound up with his view point on this subject. Now I dont I'm guessing he was brought up in a privileged life style sadly cant see beyond his brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Seriously is this 2020 or 1930. Neither..............it's 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 Ssshhhh the adults are talking now. [emoji1787]Cringe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 Do you practice at being stupid or has it just came naturally? [emoji23]Obviously comes naturally to you [emoji1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy Saintss Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 You just can't help making stuff up, please seek help.Ironic [emoji23] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 hours ago, oaksoft said: Actually Oaksoft understands all too well the problem of people taking on too much personal debt through their own fault. And Ricky's response agreed with me. Fascinating that both you and he think he posted something different. I've already posted about zero hour contracts elsewhere. Perhaps the pair of you should read MY posts before saying daft things. Did you bring government economic and financial policies, changes in law, changes in benefits into your simplistic approach? No is the simple answer. Your throwaway one or two liners do you little credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said: Ironic In the extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Did you bring government economic and financial policies, changes in law, changes in benefits into your simplistic approach? No is the simple answer. Your throwaway one or two liners do you little credit. Which government economic and financial policy forced people to rack up unaffordable personal debt buying cars, houses, flat screen TVs etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Which government economic and financial policy forced people to rack up unaffordable personal debt buying cars, houses, flat screen TVs etc? You are now being willfully stupid. Fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Which government economic and financial policy forced people to rack up unaffordable personal debt buying cars, houses, flat screen TVs etc? A bit of charity oaky most ordinary folk are only 3-6 months away from financial peril if they lose their job and there's potentially another 9,000 clients for the Foodbanks today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Bud the Baker said: A bit of charity oaky most ordinary folk are only 3-6 months away from financial peril if they lose their job and there's potentially another 9,000 clients for the Foodbanks today. Having 3-6 months of backup is exactly what people should be doing so I don't have a problem with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilberto Posted September 23, 2019 Report Share Posted September 23, 2019 Don't agree with a lot of what you post, Oaky. Not that you would give a f**k about that [emoji3]I think this is a really good post tho. Ahem not that you'd give a f**k about that either.Tax credits are a f**king nightmare tho, especially for the self-employed. I work in that field so I see the problems every day. Issues with Tax Credits and the immediate ending of Jobseekers Allowance when someone goes self employed can be catastrophic. The much maligned Universal Credit actually mitigates that problem.Your comment about whether food banks drive want rather than fulfil need may be controversial but I get it. When my clients need to visit a food bank it's almost always down to desperation. However, I recently had a case where a client received a food bank delivery (yes delivery) that he didn't need or ask for In order to say anything about society we need to fully understand how someone gets into a situation where they need a foodbank in the first place. Who exactly are you talking about here in this bolded sentence? Are you talking about people in full time jobs? I can understand the problems faced by those on zero hours contracts and on part time wages but not working enough hours to get tax credits and this includes self employed people. IMO that is the group needing urgent help. Who else are you specifically talking about? FWIW, I think it is fantastic that we have a society where so many people come together to open and run foodbanks to prevent those who fall through the cracks from starving. I can't understand anyone criticising the idea of them at all. Another debate altogether is how many we need and how we can tell definitively whether opening up a foodbank drives "want" rather than fulfilling "need". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 Have the organisers announced how successful the appeal has been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TediousTom Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, St.Ricky said: Have the organisers announced how successful the appeal has been? They were going to, in fact I believe they were going to announce it on this very thread. However they read the hateful, childish, bickering and decided against it. In other news what I just said was utter pish but dearie me the f**ktards are in full swing, the f**ktards are in full swing indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Ricky Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, TediousTom said: They were going to, in fact I believe they were going to announce it on this very thread. However they read the hateful, childish, bickering and decided against it. In other news what I just said was utter pish but dearie me the f**ktards are in full swing, the f**ktards are in full swing indeed. My position is quite clear. They exist and serve an increasing need. I'm happy to support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oaksoft Posted September 24, 2019 Report Share Posted September 24, 2019 On 9/23/2019 at 9:18 PM, gilberto said: Don't agree with a lot of what you post, Oaky. Not that you would give a f**k about that I think this is a really good post tho. Ahem not that you'd give a f**k about that either. Tax credits are a f**king nightmare tho, especially for the self-employed. I work in that field so I see the problems every day. Issues with Tax Credits and the immediate ending of Jobseekers Allowance when someone goes self employed can be catastrophic. The much maligned Universal Credit actually mitigates that problem. Your comment about whether food banks drive want rather than fulfil need may be controversial but I get it. When my clients need to visit a food bank it's almost always down to desperation. However, I recently had a case where a client received a food bank delivery (yes delivery) that he didn't need or ask for Yeah I think you understand me more than most. If you think tax credits are a problem for the self employed then you've got a shock coming when minimum earnings in order to qualify for UC are introduced. The other difference is that savings are taken into account for UC but are, quite correctly, irrelevant for Tax Credits. For those who have their pension saved up as a lump sum in a savings account, this is disastrous. UC doesn't really mitigate anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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