saintnextlifetime Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Bud the Baker said: I presume that was before the north was a separate entity, I certainly don't think de Valera would have considered himself abroad in Belfast. While we're wandering down this cul de sac I'd disagree with Rick and say I suspect the Unionists and particularly their leader are the ones to blame for the impasse - the current situation where they hold the balance of power at Westminster suits them fine. ************** Sorry about my late response to the thread, it's been a Lontimecoming BAWA's own personal Blue Meanie! The partition was 1921 , de Valera was arrested in 1924 , apparently for illegally crossing the border as the government there had barred him. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bud the Baker Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, saintnextlifetime said: The partition was 1921 , de Valera was arrested in 1924 , apparently for illegally crossing the border as the government there had barred him. . OK, post partition but I still reckon my second point is valid, it shows that grandstanding as a long history in Iris politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnextlifetime Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 31 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said: OK, post partition but I still reckon my second point is valid, it shows that grandstanding as a long history in Irish politics. Fify I don't know enough about the persent stalemate in Norn Iron to pass an opinion on it but fair too say politics have been crazy there for sometime . Still, it seems that it is still a whole lot better than it used to be . . I do suspect that de Valera getting arrested in the North , twice , was something to do with the grandstanding you mention , though. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcc Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 EAMON DE VALERA. NORTHERN IRELAND, 1924. ( R.U.C. ESCORT REPORT.) Background : On October 29th 1924 General Elections took place in Great Britain and Northern Ireland. De Valera proposed to address a meeting in Newry, County Down, where Michael Murney was the Republican candidate. ( Michael Murney was not elected.) The Northern Government had issued an exclusion order prohibiting him from entering specified parts of the Six-county area and Newry was one of them. The six-county newspapers warned him against crossing the Border as roads and railway stations were being watched by police and specials, nevertheless, De Valera crossed the Border and reached the hall in Newry where he was to speak. There he was arrested, and detained until the following day, when he was escorted back over the Border into the Irish Free State. He then made his way by unsuspected routes to the City of Derry, wishing to speak in favour of the Republican candidate there. He approached St.Columb's Hall where he was expected. He was arrested, and was tried in Belfast on November 1st. He refused to plead before the court, "seeing," he said, " that it is the creature of a foreign power and therefore had not the sanction of the Irish people." He was imprisoned in Belfast Jail for one month. Copy. Imprisonment of De Valera. Royal Ulster Constabulary, Commissioner's Office, 18th November, 1924. I.G. I beg to report that Eamon De Valera, convicted at Belfast Petty Sessions on 1st inst., under the Civil Authority ( Special Powers.) Act, is due for release at 8 a.m. on 29th instant. As De Valera was convicted in Belfast he will not be entitled to receive a Travelling Warrant. It is understood that the Order restricting his residence in Northern Ireland still holds good, and having regard to this I recommend that De Valera is conveyed by motor, under escort, to Goraghwood Railway Station and put on a train for Dublin which will be the last stopping Station in Northern Ireland. This arrangement, if approved, would avoid any gathering at Belfast or other Railway Stations en route to the Border. I do not recommend his leaving Belfast by train, it would cause considerable excitement. Also i recommend a second car to follow in case of accident. Signed :- J.F.Gelston, Commissioner. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Secty. M.H.A. Submitted. The I.G. agrees with this arrangement but considers that this person should be released a day sooner to enable the police to have him removed from the City without attracting anything in the nature of a demonstration. If this suggestion is adopted may this office be informed as to actual date of release to enable necessary arrangements to be made. Signed :- E. Gilfillan, D.I. for I.G. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TPAFKATS Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Just want to make it clear that I don't blame Sinn Fein for the current situation. One lot is as bad as the other. Strange that The Chuckle Brothers could get on so well yet the current MLA's are as far away from sustaining a working relationship as they were before the Good Friday Agreement. Rick, I read somewhere that the Irish language thing was part of the Good Friday Agreement. Is that mentioned much over there as part of the ongoing farce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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