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7 hours ago, SaintGlenburn said:

I actually quite like Putin. Id go as far as saying i prefer Russia to America.

We only see what we are shown and hear what our govt chooses to tell us. My opinion it seems that unless the worlds leaders bow to the US as supreme power then they are outcast and branded as terror states and the like.

Putins just got bad luck with us that Sturgeon and Davidson are on thier dabs at the same time and theresa may is menopausing out her dids.

As for Trump... rather than picking fights with everyone that looks different to him he should be swallyin viagra like popcorn n getting stuck into Melania... unless thats the daughter and ivankas the wife. Theyd both get it mind u.

I'm absolutely certain this sounded funny in your head. :rolleyes::huh:

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Russia, Putin, had nothing to do with it, so, "whodunnit".......................
Loving the attempts to deflect the majority of evidence/opinion that is available.
Maybe one of the people concerned, like some Russian clown suggested, had a heart attack? [emoji38]
Synchronised heart attacks would have been quite startling. 
Lots of conspiracy/deflection theories but the fact is 2 people were poisoned by a substance that requires considerable skill/government/financial backing to be produced.
Maybe it's right we (The UK) should roll over but some, if minimum, reaction is required in the face of the "It wasn't me" response from Russia.
Would be interesting if some person living in Scotland had had an attempt to kill them had taken place,
Looks as if some would side with Russia before any other possible culprit. 
 
What is this 'majority of evidence/opinion that is available' that you refer to?

There's little if any evidence been produced and opinion appears to be our government and media (briefed by gov) against Russian government and media (briefed by gov).
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45 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

What don't you believe and why? 

 

I haven't seen or heard anything I would regard as proof that clarifies who is responsible.

On balance I'd say its more likely to be them than us, but I'm not convinced it's them just because Theresa May said so in Parliament, it suits her to appear tough on this issue as much as it does Putin.

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

 

 

On balance I'd say its more likely to be them than us, 
 

 

 

 

I think this is reasonable, as there really isn't, and is unlikely to be, unarguable proof.

There's no doubt these 2 people were poisoned and by a pretty nasty, and unique substance.

As for Mrs May, obviously there's a lot of posturing with her actions being limited and Putin is revelling in this with an election looming.

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What don't you believe and why? 

I don't believe that there is evidence in the public domain of who has undertaken this act. The link I posted last night contains information from the international chemical weapons group. I would take their opinion over that of ANY politician.

That link also gives info on the process that should be followed by UK government with regards to making a sample available for international analysis.

The whole process undertaken by our government since this incident stinks.

 

I'm no fan of putin or the Russian state.

 

At the same time, I recall that our gov and secret services are no strangers to manipulating the truth and events to get the outcome that they want. I'm thinking dodgy dossier that got us into Iraq and the UK spook who managed to 'kill himself' by getting locked in a holdall to name two off the top of my head.

 

 

 

 

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I think this is reasonable, as there really isn't, and is unlikely to be, unarguable proof.
There's no doubt these 2 people were poisoned and by a pretty nasty, and unique substance.
As for Mrs May, obviously there's a lot of posturing with her actions being limited and Putin is revelling in this with an election looming.
IF there's a link to putin wanting to gain kudos ahead of an election (today?) that he's already won you'd think our government would be savvy enough to wait until after the vote to announce that he's to blame. If they'd used the independent sample analysis route that they should have, this would have taken until after the Russian election.
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On 3/13/2018 at 11:22 AM, scottd said:

The poisoned guy spent 6 years in jail in Russia for spying for another country, so why bump him off now when they had ample opportunity in the past?

In the past, he was collateral to be bartered, which duly happened.

That was his only value, which expired a long while ago.

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In the past, he was collateral to be bartered, which duly happened.
The was his only value, which expired a long while ago.
Yeah that's possible, for both sides.
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7 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:
2 hours ago, beyond our ken said:
In the past, he was collateral to be bartered, which duly happened.
The was his only value, which expired a long while ago.

Yeah that's possible, for both sides.

So, you're seriously hinting the UK government had a hand in this rather than the Russians? :lol:

Using this type of poison in a UK town? :byebye

 

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Whatever the reasons it smells all round. The use of nerve gas has brought danger to the wider public, not only those who appear to have been targeted. That can't be acceptable.  Clearly we use spies, we use double agents. Not alone there .  It might not be too much of a surprise that this happened during a cold winter when we are heavily dependent on Russian gas. We seem to be well on our way to a second cold war. Turkey (a member of NATO) is buying Russian weapons. Syria...sphere of Russian influence. By the way this is not intrinsically an anti Russian post nor anti Aliies. 

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So, you're seriously hinting the UK government had a hand in this rather than the Russians? [emoji38]
Using this type of poison in a UK town? :byebye
 
What type of poison would that be? The one that no one knows the formula for but we know it definitely belonged to the Russians [emoji3]

I'm still waiting on you providing motive and proof that it was Russia. I only asked about 10 hours ago. Mibees I should give you a 24 hour ultimatum, that seemed to work well.
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21 minutes ago, TPAFKATS said:

What type of poison would that be? The one that no one knows the formula for but we know it definitely belonged to the Russians emoji3.png

I'm still waiting on you providing motive and proof that it was Russia. I only asked about 10 hours ago. Mibees I should give you a 24 hour ultimatum, that seemed to work well.

Can't you read, there's been posts that state quite clearly there is no discernible proof, yet YOU still prefer to believe that the UK government were involved although you dodge the issue again.

No one knows the formula,...............that's a good trick, how did they make it then? :lol:

You really should get more tin foil, you must have run out of protective hats. :byebye

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10 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:

Ok.
I was asking a genuine question. I assume from your response you don't have any evidence?

Were talking MI6 here,  The general public are never likely to hear all the evidence they have,  wise up man, would probably put other people at risk if they did splash it all over the media,  The Yanks,  French, and Germans have saw the evidence and they backing the UK Government

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Found this very interesting. I also watched Piers Morgan make a complete arse of himself with a reporter from RT on GMTV.
Personally, I don’t think Russia had anything to do with it. I’m pretty sure they’d (Russia)have found some other way to assassinate a former employee that would have seemed like an accident. I’m pretty sure our own government is not squeaky clean on such things either. David Kelly sudden demise springs to mind.

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3 minutes ago, Russian Saint said:

Found this very interesting. I also watched Piers Morgan make a complete arse of himself with a reporter from RT on GMTV.
Personally, I don’t think Russia had anything to do with it. I’m pretty sure they’d (Russia)have found some other way to assassinate a former employee that would have seemed like an accident. I’m pretty sure our own government is not squeaky clean on such things either. David Kelly sudden demise springs to mind.

Aye you would say that Vladimir  :lol:

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