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Ipswich Town - Permission to Speak with Jack Ross

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So Shankland had to drop down a league to find a club who would sign him, and Walsh's team have been relegated, but they are both much better players than the ones we have now because Rory Loy was shite for Falkirk this year and Craig Storie plays for Brechin? Am I following this correctly?

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Back to Jack.  One thing I am glad of in the present situation is that I have confidence in his single minded professionalism.  Reading his Wikipedia page shows that if it shows nothing else.  However long he is with us,  I believe that he will give 100 per cent.  So too,  James Fowler and of course Tony F.  It's been a while though since the season ended on 29 April.  Now 3 weeks of our close season gone.  The play offs are done and dusted. Roumors abound.  Uncertainty over the future has some fans in meltdown.  Calm heads are needed but so is communication and a show of leadership from the captain of our ship,  Chairman Gordon Scott. To paraphrase from a famous novel. "This is the best of times,  This is the worst of times " as our manager is linked with  two cities,  Ipswich and Sunderland.  Hope this nonsense helps to lighten the mood and I expect to hear more from the club on Monday. 

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7 minutes ago, norman said:

So Shankland had to drop down a league to find a club who would sign him, and Walsh's team have been relegated, but they are both much better players than the ones we have now because Rory Loy was shite for Falkirk this year and Craig Storie plays for Brechin? Am I following this correctly?

Not really. What I'm trying to say is if Sunderland are thinking about Jack Ross as manager - don't. Go elsewhere. Simple really. 

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5 minutes ago, StuD said:

Not really. What I'm trying to say is if Sunderland are thinking about Jack Ross as manager - don't. Go elsewhere. Simple really. 

Hopefully they do. Maybe the new guy can sign them Shankland and Walsh. They'll need those goals. 

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It's interesting that a certain poster claims that I made stuff up when I never even mentioned who I was talking about.

He must have a guilty conscience.

I'll leave it to others to decide who is being more truthful.

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8 hours ago, Buddie Marvelous said:

Thought the thread was about Jack Ross ? Not Stuart Dickson ?

It’s no coincidence that he reappears when we have potentially something negative happening at our club.

Im not a prolific poster on here but certainly check in most days, where’s the deluded pipefitter been for the last 18 months when things have been rosy in our garden? 

For you younger lot on here It’s almost 20 years now since he claimed on the old Saints guestbook to know ( from a friend ) all about St Mirrens financial situation and accounts at the Clydesdale bank.

Stewart Gilmour lured him to  the headmasters office at Love Street and the wee schoolboy Dickson was sent packing.

After all these years his bitterness for our club has grown, the man is a fantasist obsessed with St Mirren FC. 

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It’s no coincidence that he reappears when we have potentially something negative happening at our club.
Im not a prolific poster on here but certainly check in most days, where’s the deluded pipefitter been for the last 18 months when things have been rosy in our garden? 
For you younger lot on here It’s almost 20 years now since he claimed on the old Saints guestbook to know ( from a friend ) all about St Mirrens financial situation and accounts at the Clydesdale bank.
Stewart Gilmour lured him to  the headmasters office at Love Street and the wee schoolboy Dickson was sent packing.
After all these years his bitterness for our club has grown, the man is a fantasist obsessed with St Mirren FC. 
Was that "friend" at one of his imaginary dinner parties?

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Jack Ross has held talks with Sunderland's new owners as the Black Cats prepare to vie with Ipswich for the St Mirren manager. Ross, who guided the Buddies to Scottish Premiership promotion this year, has already held talks with Ipswich. (Daily Record, print edition)

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Back to Jack.  One thing I am glad of in the present situation is that I have confidence in his single minded professionalism.  Reading his Wikipedia page shows that if it shows nothing else.  However long he is with us,  I believe that he will give 100 per cent.  So too,  James Fowler and of course Tony F.  It's been a while though since the season ended on 29 April.  Now 3 weeks of our close season gone.  The play offs are done and dusted. Roumors abound.  Uncertainty over the future has some fans in meltdown.  Calm heads are needed but so is communication and a show of leadership from the captain of our ship,  Chairman Gordon Scott. To paraphrase from a famous novel. "This is the best of times,  This is the worst of times " as our manager is linked with  two cities,  Ipswich and Sunderland.  Hope this nonsense helps to lighten the mood and I expect to hear more from the club on Monday. 
You do know anyone can re-edit Wikipedia don't you?

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9 minutes ago, Drew said:

If this is true, it is now getting a bit silly.

Most of us anticipated it, but there has to be a point at which the BoD have to sit down with Jack and ask him directly whether he has the appetite and commitment  to remain at the club or not.

It was always going to be a delicate balancing act, but it is now tipping away from the option of the club remaining a hostage to fortune while Jack throws his hat into a different ring every week. He is entitled to do just that, but the interests of the club are paramount and must be safeguarded.

Pretty frustrating, truth be told.

You can definitely see how Fergie ended up getting sacked, can't you?! :lol:

I'm married to a Mackem so I kinda wouldn't mind him going there, but really, I think he'd be nuts to do so.

 

Mind, I think the last person to manage both St Mirren and Sunderland was very successful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Cochrane

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25 minutes ago, Hambud said:
9 hours ago, St.Ricky said:
Back to Jack.  One thing I am glad of in the present situation is that I have confidence in his single minded professionalism.  Reading his Wikipedia page shows that if it shows nothing else.  However long he is with us,  I believe that he will give 100 per cent.  So too,  James Fowler and of course Tony F.  It's been a while though since the season ended on 29 April.  Now 3 weeks of our close season gone.  The play offs are done and dusted. Roumors abound.  Uncertainty over the future has some fans in meltdown.  Calm heads are needed but so is communication and a show of leadership from the captain of our ship,  Chairman Gordon Scott. To paraphrase from a famous novel. "This is the best of times,  This is the worst of times " as our manager is linked with  two cities,  Ipswich and Sunderland.  Hope this nonsense helps to lighten the mood and I expect to hear more from the club on Monday. 

You do know anyone can re-edit Wikipedia don't you?

I do Hambud. That's why I qualified it by saying "if it shows nothing else"

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20 minutes ago, Drew said:

If this is true, it is now getting a bit silly.

Most of us anticipated it, but there has to be a point at which the BoD have to sit down with Jack and ask him directly whether he has the appetite and commitment  to remain at the club or not.

It was always going to be a delicate balancing act, but it is now tipping away from the option of the club remaining a hostage to fortune while Jack throws his hat into a different ring every week. He is entitled to do just that, but the interests of the club are paramount and must be safeguarded.

Pretty frustrating, truth be told.

If this is indeed true then did our board once again give him permission?  If they, our board, want Jack to honour his contract then time they refused to allow him to speak to any interested club. All this is doing is unsettling the club at a critical time when we should be looking at preparing for the new season. Inevitably, Jack will court suitors but he is hired and under contract to St Mirren and they should be doing more to protect its prized asset.  

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9 hours ago, StuD said:

Not really. What I'm trying to say is if Sunderland are thinking about Jack Ross as manager - don't. Go elsewhere. Simple really. 

We don't want him to go there also.   Simple really.

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4 minutes ago, nedflanders123 said:

If this is indeed true then did our board once again give him permission?  If they, our board, want Jack to honour his contract then time they refused to allow him to speak to any interested club. All this is doing is unsettling the club at a critical time when we should be looking at preparing for the new season. Inevitably, Jack will court suitors but he is hired and under contract to St Mirren and they should be doing more to protect its prized asset.  

Which is of course its supporters and not Jack Ross.

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6 minutes ago, nedflanders123 said:

If this is indeed true then did our board once again give him permission?  If they, our board, want Jack to honour his contract then time they refused to allow him to speak to any interested club. All this is doing is unsettling the club at a critical time when we should be looking at preparing for the new season. Inevitably, Jack will court suitors but he is hired and under contract to St Mirren and they should be doing more to protect its prized asset.  

It's a tough one. ideally, It sounds simple,  just say enough is enough. In practice it isn't. Jack is under contract and in that contract will have clauses which say that he can speak to potential suitors with the permission of the board and that this cannot unreasonably be withheld. The club could say no, Jack might do so anyway,  then what. No way back, loss of compensation and perhaps a judgement in JR's favour and us paying him money. Jack is a tough cookie.  That's one of the reasons he is successful.  As a player,  it isreported,  he walked out on a contract and refused to return. Mr Chairman. Over to you. 

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13 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:

It's a tough one. ideally, It sounds simple,  just say enough is enough. In practice it isn't. Jack is under contract and in that contract will have clauses which say that he can speak to potential suitors with the permission of the board and that this cannot unreasonably be withheld. The club could say no, Jack might do so anyway,  then what. No way back, loss of compensation and perhaps a judgement in JR's favour and us paying him money. Jack is a tough cookie.  That's one of the reasons he is successful.  As a player,  it isreported,  he walked out on a contract and refused to return. Mr Chairman. Over to you. 

What contract did he walk out on as a player?

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39 minutes ago, Drew said:

If this is true, it is now getting a bit silly.

Most of us anticipated it, but there has to be a point at which the BoD have to sit down with Jack and ask him directly whether he has the appetite and commitment  to remain at the club or not.

It was always going to be a delicate balancing act, but it is now tipping away from the option of the club remaining a hostage to fortune while Jack throws his hat into a different ring every week. He is entitled to do just that, but the interests of the club are paramount and must be safeguarded.

Pretty frustrating, truth be told.

There are definitely some awkward questions to be asked if this is true. 

As I said previously, he's going to go to someone by looks of things. The most important thing is that we aren't left in limbo but there's really not much we can do until someone makes a firm offer. 

I love the guy but I'm now of the opinion that I'm hoping he accepts if he gets offered something, moves on and we get to rebuild as soon as possible as this situation playing out time and time again  from now until he inevitably moves on is not beneficial to St Mirren FC. 

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6 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

There are definitely some awkward questions to be asked if this is true. 

As I said previously, he's going to go to someone by looks of things. The most important thing is that we aren't left in limbo but there's really not much we can do until someone makes a firm offer. 

I love the guy but I'm now of the opinion that I'm hoping he accepts if he gets offered something, moves on and we get to rebuild as soon as possible as this situation playing out time and time again  from now until he inevitably moves on is not beneficial to St Mirren FC. 

Call me cynical, but I wonder if this is perhaps a tactic on JR's part to force Ipswich's hand as they seem to be stalling on taking forward their interest in him. You have to assume that he would regard ITFC as the better option?

Meanwhile, we can't remain passive observers while this plays out. The BoD cannot afford to keep granting permission for our manager to talk to other clubs. They must know that.

I also think it might now be time for the club to break cover and offer some kind if position statement (as long as they don't ask Jim Traynor to write the f**king thing!).

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Just now, Drew said:

Call me cynical, but I wonder if this is perhaps a tactic on JR's part to force Ipswich's hand as they seem to be stalling on taking forward their interest in him. You have to assume that he would regard ITFC as the better option?

Meanwhile, we can't remain passive observers while this plays out. The BoD cannot afford to keep granting permission for our manager to talk to other clubs. They must know that.

I also think it might now be time for the club to break cover and offer some kind if position statement (as long as they don't ask Jim Traynor to write the f**king thing!).

It could be in his contract to speak to clubs Drew. 

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11 minutes ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said:

It could be in his contract to speak to clubs Drew. 

I appreciate that Ian, but why, then, was it reported that the club gave Ipswich permission to talk to him? Surely if it is a clause in his contract, no permission per se would be required (unless it was sought as a courtesy, which might well be the case as Evans seems like a reasonable sort).

Regardless, there is a real risk that this could become a bit farcical, and that's not really good enough.

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