DougJamie Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 The signings are happening. I really believe we can win the League now ( Sorry just adapting the England Football team mentality ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 1 minute ago, ulysses said: He’s made a total of 2 signings No wonder I ditched this place for a good while. Cant wait for the rest, if the first 2 are anything to go by should be interesting and expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 On 6/21/2018 at 9:12 AM, pod said: div did say a couple of signings. Could one be a regal signing. 2 hours ago, Tam M said: Jeff King from Bolton the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, lenziebud said: https://www.themillers.co.uk/news/2016/june/stubbs-promises-quality-signings/ Bet the Rotherham fans are impressed with the quality signings. Stubbs should never have been given the SMFC job and we are going to pay a heavy price for it. He was a failure in the Championship with one of the top sides in Scotland, a total flop at Rotherham and his signing policy so far at St Mirren is shocking IMO Why not give the signings - and the manager - a chance before slaughtering them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Cant wait for the rest, if the first 2 are anything to go by should be interesting and expensive Yes, because every signing will follow the exact same pattern and criteria [emoji849]When Motherwell, Dundee, and others make these type of signings, they’re lauded because they usually have a good track record of finding gems at that level. We should absolutely be exploring this market. It’s something we haven’t been doing enough of in previous years. Ball and Marwood were obvious failures but it doesn’t mean we should abandon the idea completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, kevo_smfc said: I know it's a different era, though think of the names that Saints signed from the juniors most notably in the 70s. It doesn't matter what level you have been playing at, plenty of players fall into the wilderness or have just not found that opportunity yet. This Jamie Vardy lad is an ambassador for this type of scenario. Even Ian Wright I remember was playing Evostick or similar level until the age of 22 before Crystal Palace signed him. The rest is history. Ian Wright was playing Sunday league football before joining a team in the Kent League (equivalent of 10th tier in English football). He played 6 matches there before joining Crystal Palace. Going by Ayrshire Saint's logic, he would only have had a fraction of the ability of Gavin Reilly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, ulysses said: Ball and Marwood were obvious failures but it doesn’t mean we should abandon the idea completely. We signed Ball from Derby County. Hardly non league! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenziebud Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ulysses said: Yes, because every signing will follow the exact same pattern and criteria When Motherwell, Dundee, and others make these type of signings, they’re lauded because they usually have a good track record of finding gems at that level. We should absolutely be exploring this market. It’s something we haven’t been doing enough of in previous years. Ball and Marwood were obvious failures but it doesn’t mean we should abandon the idea completely. We have 3 from non league in England already plus McGinn who we previously released. Its going well so far. Hopefully the pattern and criteria change pretty damn quick Edited June 22, 2018 by lenziebud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 We have 3 from non league in England already plus McGinn who we previously released. Its going well so far. Hopefully the pattern and criteria change pretty damn quick I seriously doubt every single signing will be similar. Besides, Kellerman and McGinn were JR signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulysses Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 We signed Ball from Derby County. Hardly non league! Sorry, I’d tried to remove every piece of knowledge about him from my memory. [emoji51] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class of 76-77 Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 It’s fairly obvious that some posters will never accept a manager who they didn’t want appointed from outset. It’s a bit daft to slaughter the manager and his signings before a ball is kicked. Let’s wait and see what experienced players he can sign, to supplement the young and hungry players coming from the Vardy academy. This formula has worked well for other teams at this level, and it’s Stubbs reputation that’s on the line if it doesn’t work. So he’s hardly going to sign players that he doesn’t think will cut it at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 It's always the same when clubs in Scotland (not just us) are linked with a guy from the lower leagues down south. Fans bring up the examples of guys who've done well such as Adam Rooney and Billy Mckay (well, for a season or two). Likewise, when it comes to non-league signings everyone brings up Vardy. These guys are very much the exceptions. The majority who have come from this background turn out to be pretty useless (Calvin Zola at Aberdeen instantly springs to mind) and after the signings when we were last in the Premiership of folk like Marwood and Ball I can fully understand why people are concerned. We've signed them now and they get my backing. They deserve a chance to show what they can do before we slate them. The fact Stubbs has worked with Cooke and Heaton while at the V9 Academy thing is encouraging, and if EFL clubs want them they can't be totally useless (unless they wanted them because they were the next Calvin Zola). Three guys from non-league is probably enough though! The stuff about the biggest transfer fee for quarter of a century, who would that have been on? We paid cash for Yardley but not sure we gave Cowdenbeath that much. Only other one I can think of from that time is John Boyd from Dumbarton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsons dropped it Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, lenziebud said: Cant wait for the rest, if the first 2 are anything to go by should be interesting and expensive Its Friday, you must be due a lie down........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isle Of Bute Saint Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, DougJamie said: The signings are happening. I really believe we can win the League now ( Sorry just adapting the England Football team mentality ) Don't find them anywhere near as bad as previous world cups. They look more like a team now also than individuals from previous world cups , I think they will go far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, lenziebud said: We have 3 from non league in England already plus McGinn who we previously released. Its going well so far. Hopefully the pattern and criteria change pretty damn quick FFS- Did you have money on Argentina Cheer Up !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Stu said: Likewise, when it comes to non-league signings everyone brings up Vardy. These guys are very much the exceptions. The majority who have come from this background turn out to be pretty useless Louis Moult, Marvin Johnson and Ben Heneghan weren't useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougJamie Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Isle Of Bute Saint said: Don't find them anywhere near as bad as previous world cups. They look more like a team now also than individuals from previous world cups , I think they will go far. I think considering they have Panama, Tunisia and then a very weak Group 8 match up, they will go as far until the meet a good football team. That will be quarters- then they will lose Edited June 22, 2018 by DougJamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, lenziebud said: We have 3 from non league in England already plus McGinn who we previously released. Its going well so far. Hopefully the pattern and criteria change pretty damn quick McGinn, whom we released and who then went on to play at a better level/standard of football than our club has over the past 3 seasons? Will you eat humble pie if these players from the National League do well for us? Or will you be reluctant to give praise to them having already condemned them? Edited June 22, 2018 by Soctty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Monkey Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 39 minutes ago, pod said: Nah, I still reckon it'll be one of Prince Buaben, Nathan 'The Duke' Ellington, or the remaining members of Queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pod Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Soctty said: McGinn, whom we released and who then went on to play at a better level/standard of football than our club has over the past 3 seasons? Will you eat humble pie if these players from the National League do well for us? Or will you be reluctant to give praise to them having already condemned them? I remember when we used to pick up players from the juniors on a regular basis. Be it a few years ago. Quite a few done alright for themselves. Fresh talent, not has beens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 38 minutes ago, lenziebud said: We have 3 from non league in England already plus McGinn who we previously released. Its going well so far. Hopefully the pattern and criteria change pretty damn quick We didn't release McGinn. He chose to leave for regular football and was back in the Premiership 12 months later when he signed for Dundee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Soctty said: McGinn, whom we released and who then went on to play at a better level/standard of football than our club has over the past 3 seasons? Will you eat humble pie if these players from the National League do well for us? Or will you be reluctant to give praise to them having already condemned them? We didn't release Paul McGinn. He opted not to accept a contract extension in order to get first team football. Edited June 22, 2018 by Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 Just now, Stu said: We didn't release McGinn. He chose to leave for regular football and was back in the Premiership 12 months later when he signed for Dundee. Just now, Drew said: We didn't release Paulq McGinn. He opted not to accept a contract extension in order to get first team football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soctty Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Drew said: We didn't release Paulq McGinn. He opted not to accept a contract extension in order to get first team football. Aye, I think the point stands though that he has been playing at a higher level than us for the past few seasons so is hardly a poor signing as is being implied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted June 22, 2018 Report Share Posted June 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Soctty said: Aye, I think the point stands though that he has been playing at a higher level than us for the past few seasons so is hardly a poor signing as is being implied. Absolutely. I was correcting Lenziebud, more than anything. Perhaps those who are criticising the standard of signings so far could clarify exactly what they were expecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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