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Joint Statement

Written by B&W Army Webteam.

The fans bid for the club through the 10000Hours CIC was tabled yesterday afternoon to the Selling Consortium at a meeting which was held at St.Mirren Park.

Following that meeting both parties have issued the following joint statement this morning;

Joint Statement From 10000hours CIC and The selling Consortium
 
Representatives of the 10000hours CIC met with the selling consortium yesterday afternoon and presented an offer to purchase the majority shareholding in St.Mirren Football Club.
 
The bid which was tabled is subject to certain conditions relating to the commercial revenues on which the club currently relies to enable it to compete in the SPL.
 
This revenue is currently surrounded by uncertainty given events occuring elsewhere that are beyond the control of either the CIC or the selling consortium.
 
After long and productive talks it was agreed by both parties that it was prudent to wait for clarity surrounding the commercial revenues of the SPL before committing to any potential deal.
 
10000hours therefore encourage all fans who have engaged thus far to remain positive and continue to raise awareness and support for the fan buyout of the majority shareholding.
 
The selling consortium are pleased at the level of support the St.Mirren fans have given to the 10000Hours bid and acknowledge that a fans group that is now 1,000 members strong represents a very powerful voice within the football club.
 
As such the Board of the football club has agreed that such a wide supporter base provides a useful conduit to consult in relation to the NewCo debate which is currently the cause of much concern amongst the St.Mirren support.
 
It has therefore invited 10000Hours to gather opinion and comment from it's members with regards to the Newco proposals as they become clearer and to pass those thoughts formally onto the Board.
 


 

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+16 # Nonewco 2012-06-22 09:10
No newco no vote needed !!! Join Aberdeen hearts and united
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+4 # matts dad 2012-06-22 10:21
2 more clubs to come out and state that they will vote NO and that is the end of the road .
will St Mirren be leaders or will they hide and hope they don't need to say anything.
it is time to stand up and be counted the tax dodgers have been up to all sorts of nonsense
not paying their taxes it would appear is the least of their worries . they got away with cheating for the best part of a decade.
allegations about double contracts, false accounting,not giving the footballing authority's (SFA & SPL) true information
YOU NAME IT THEY HAVE DONE IT
it is time for this club to grow a pair and stand up for what is right and proper no more meally mouthed statements
Matts dad
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+7 # Gmac13 2012-06-22 11:13
If the current or new board!! vote to keep Rangers in the SPL I will not renew my and further 3 family members season tickets. I have been holding off to see what decision we would take.
We can`t let someone in that broke so many rules even if we lose some potential revenue.
10,000hrs!!!! draw it to a close NOW and move on.
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+3 # Gmac13 2012-06-26 07:49
Looking throurgh the 4 questions on the web site and in the PDE today. WHY THE SCARE TACTICS???? It is quite clear that Saints fans will support our team through thick and thin, as we have done so for many, many years. Come out and say NO to the newco NOW and NO to the farce of another year of negotaions with 10,000hrs.
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+6 # Hectors House 2012-06-22 09:26
Those of us already signed up for the tenner a month have to accept that this is nothing more than yet another
extension in one final (?) attempt to gain Business and Community group support, which after more than 2 years
continues to fall short.

> 'to wait for clarity surrounding the commercial revenues of the SPL before committing to any potential deal'

The attempt to disguise this further extension by blaming the Newco vote is laughable, condescending and
humiliating. We are not mugs. Are we to believe that when the 72 hour extension was granted on Monday that
the parties involved were not aware of the newco situation? FFS! We deserve better.

Let's have some straight talking guys. The issue here is the lack of up front money. Just say it rather than hiding
bnehind the newco turmoil.
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+7 # Greenhill Peter 2012-06-22 09:35
It has therefore invited 10000Hours to gather opinion and comment from it's members with regards to the Newco proposals

Are the board living on Mars? Is it NOT clear what the fans think? Why waste time on this, unless it's to make us 'members' feel warm, cosy and valued. Like getting a friendly pat on the head. "There there children, here's a sweetie for you".
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-2 # matts dad 2012-06-22 10:31
could it be that they are scared of the old firm?
surely the vote on this site is more than clear enough?

yes there is uncertainty but it is by no means as much as some would have us believe.
remember at this moment the ugly 2 get 80% of the sky money now is the time to sort that out so that if sky come back and say they are cutting how much they are going to pay the spl the first cut is of what the old firm get and with only 1 of them in the league a bit of wealth redistribution is in order. if they don't like it great they can walk as well !
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+7 # FrankieMac 2012-06-22 09:39
Well said Hector, you almost sounded like Jack lol We always said the supporters are being taken for mugs over this and it has just been highlighted again. Why have the meeting when they ALL KNEW that the situation is unclear within the SPL ???

The fans were let to believe that a decision would be made on Thursday and they have just been shi t upon yet again.
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+2 # rogerthealien 2012-06-22 11:26
THE DECISION TO BE TAKEN IS SO OBVIOUS IT DOESNT NEED TO BE REPEATED the ibrox gaffers have been cheating for more than a decade and deserve to be volleyed out. I hope gilmour and the rest of the board have the STRENGH to do what the fans want, but however i would like to know what saints would lose in revenue if the the SKY AND ESPN and rangers home games are sent on a rocket to the moon and how saints as a team would fill the hole that revenue would leave and how we as a team would manage as we as fans want them out but sadly the board will have to take financial considerations as well and if we could swallow it then its CHEERIO AND MAYBE SEE YOU AGAIN WITH YOUR BIGOTED HATRED IN 3 YEARS AND THE SPL ARE BIGGER THAN RANGERS
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+3 # Ian Toddy 2012-06-22 11:38
I have to say I am disappointed and let down. On Monday we had David MacPherson (B&W's Div) stirring us all up in to a state of frenzy to back the CIC by Thursday, or else, All sorts of veiled threats about oversees bidders etc. People, myself included, dug deep, even though I have huge reservations.

We then get this sham of a joint statement telling us they want to wait for the newco situation to be clear.
What? The board and CIC didn't foresee this on Monday?

Worse, Div then defends the joint statement. Sad days for B&W Army.
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-4 # Baldy Div 2012-06-22 22:06
Firstly it's MacDonald not MacPherson.

Secondly nobody whipped anyone into a frenzy. We said the bid would be tabled yesterday. The bid WAS tabled yesterday.

Thirdly, it's not a "veiled threat" of another bidder. There are TWO other bidders. Fact.

Fourthly, nobody has had a penny taken from them, the fans were asked to back the deal and 1,000 of them have done so, but no money has left any accounts.
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-4 # Baldy Div 2012-06-22 22:09
Fifth, there is so much uncertainty about the financial situation affecting the club next season that it is not sensible, prudent or physically possible for us to buy the club in the meantime.

We are custodians of 1,000 peoples hard earned money, yet you think we should charge in and spend it on a business that has no idea of what it's revenues will be next season ?

And lastly whatever I say personally matters not a jot, I am allowed by own opinion I would have thought ?
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+2 # Ian Toddy 2012-06-23 06:53
David, I think that is ALL understood, but the point is, many of us feel that when we were all told that 'we' had 72 hours left to do the deal there would be some sort of decision on Thursday. You wrote the article. Not one single thing changed between Monday and Thursday - the noise and confusion surrounding the newco situation was exactly the same. If we are now going to wait until post 4th July then I think it would have been more constructive to leave the bid until then. Surely only sensible?

The comment about the veiled threat of other bidders was not questioning the reality of the bidders, but rather the fear that this came with in terms of their threat to our club.

Bottom line Div, it's clear you care and back the CIC. Despite it all, it still gets my backing if you support it. There won't be many on here with as much passion for St Mirren as you. Take it easy.
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-8 # Baldy Div 2012-06-23 11:05
Quoting Ian Toddy:
Not one single thing changed between Monday and Thursday.


Apart from us formally submitting the revised bid you mean ?

I wrote the article that said we had 72 hours to do the deal. to get the best numbers we could before Thursday.

That is exactly what happened. The deal WAS submitted on Thursday.
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+2 # Ian Toddy 2012-06-23 11:34
I was clearly referring to the newco situation, but you chose to only cut and paste the first part of my sentence. I think you are too close and have misjudged this one. I'll be the bigger man and bow out of this pointless exchange. Good luck with the bid.
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+5 # Oliver Storrie 2012-06-22 12:03
Why don't the board and the CIC just come out and say they will both vote NO to a NEWCO. I'm sure there will be an even bigger uptake in members.

If either of the parties vote yes i am finished with Scottish football
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+7 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-22 13:21
How can anybody trust RA and his pals when every minute they are moving the goal posts.
They are now sounding worse than the SPL and the SFA by making cheap excuses for delaying the final decision.
Is it not obvious that the funding is not fully in place and they are stalling and looking for excuses amd hoping that some "fairy gog mother" will come out of the blue and put up the funding that they are not prepared to put up themselves.
The whole exercise is a complete disaster and deserves to fail even though several fans hace been conned into parting with £1£10 a month
The most important decision to be taken is to vote to have Rangers in the 3rd division.
Once our Board have made that decision then I will know the trully have the future of Saint Mirren at heart
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+5 # Dave 2012-06-22 15:59
Write to the club let them know how you feel!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

For me I will be writing before the vote on the 4th July. No to the NEWCO and NO to 10,000 hrs.
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+6 # Dave 2012-06-22 16:02
Plus as this is very annoying as the media keep saying it however, Rangers 1874-2012 It is not Rangers anymore Green bought the assets of RFC not the name, they need a new name as they are NOT Rangers. If this happened to us we would deserve the same fate!
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+11 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-22 17:38
I have just heard on the nnews that the 10000 hours consortium and the current board are not concluding a deal until the outcome of Rangers has been decided.
This is another fudge as they knew what was going on weeks ago.
For me this means that Stewart Gilmour will no doubt be voting FOR RANGERS as this will be possibly better for the SPL.
This definately not what the fans want.. He must stand up and be counted along with Hearts, Dundee Utd etc.
He MUST show that he is a TRUE BUDDY and not a Rangers lackey
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-2 # Baldy Div 2012-06-22 22:22
The most likely outcome is no Rangers in the SPL and a re-negotiated Sky contract. With Rangers not hogging the majority of the TV money that is still there the hope is we can ride it out, probably with no more additions to the playing squad we currently have being the most obvious example of the steps we might need to take.

After this season with most of the first team out of contract we would be able to cut our wage bill according to the adjusted revenue situation.

That is what is likely to happen (in my opinion) but the problem is that nobody can be 100% sure and it is that uncertainty that has parked the sale.
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-5 # Baldy Div 2012-06-23 11:08
Quoting Ian Toddy:
The comment about the veiled threat of other bidders was not questioning the reality of the bidders, but rather the fear that this came with in terms of their threat to our club.
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I don't know anything about the other bidders other than they do certainly exist and they are bids from outside of Scotland.

Whether they are a threat to the club is entirely unknown, they might be ready to pump millions into the club for all I know.
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+5 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-23 16:54
Would it not be nice if Stewart Gilmour and Richard Atkinson came out and told the fans exactly what they will be doing as regards Rangers and then we would know who to trust as regards the takeover.
Right now I do not trust them to do the right thing for Saint Mirren as they are only interested in feathering their own nests.
That is why the consortium cannot be trusted. RA is trying to take over the club for nothing.and is not being honest with the supporters.
I do not know with whom SG will conult before voting but he must stand up and be counted and vote "NO"
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+4 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-25 07:52
I read today (Monday) that Hibs have declared that they will be voting against Rangers staying in the SPL.
When will our chairman have the guts to stand up and be counted and also declare that he is voting for the expulsion of Rangers?
This is what the Saint Mirren support want........... or are our opinions etc of no relevence to SG and the board.
Come out Stewart Gilmour and declare yourself.
Or is the Richard Atkinson "con" swaying his thinking
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+8 # Simoh 2012-06-25 11:27
St Mirren should vote no to newco staying up and fans who have Sky should vote with their feet and cancel their subscriptions. Things may be difficult for a while but isn't it time we stopped football being run by arrogant business people who would charge us for every last minute of TV if they could. Sky and Rangers are both crooks. Let;s get rid of them both.
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+7 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-25 18:09
So now 6 clubs have declared how they are going to vote !
What about our chairman ? When will he declare what he is going to do ?
I cannot believe that he so much in Rangers' pocket that he refuses to make it known what he is planning to do.and I fear he will suck up to them in order to feather his own nest should that disasterous 10000 hours take over win the day.
What have Rangers ever done for Saint Mirren? They were happy to leave the Premier Division and go and play in England without a second thought for those clubs left behind.
So now they will have the pleasure of leaving the SPL and playing in the 3rd division and guess what............ we will not give it a second thought either.
JUST REJOICE !!
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+6 # FrankieMac 2012-06-25 21:29
Gilmour is a complete spineless CENSORED and has totally lost any credibility for not having the guts to come out before now and register how he will vote over the Rangers saga.

He has done nothing and also sat on the fence over St Mirren's takeover and by being non commital and knowing what he did know he still led everyone to believe a decision would have been made last Thursday. He has lost any ounce of decency that he might have had. It takes real men to do what the other six have done whilst our chairman sits on his hands probably worried how it will all affect his own pockets.

It is disgusting and how could you possibly trust anyone like that.
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-1 # rogerthealien 2012-06-26 15:26
I have said before and will say again gilmour and the board have to let fans know how much tv revenue they are going to lose and gate receipts against rangers and what the joint total of revenue loss will be and how they propose to fill that financial hole that it may leave us in as my guess would be at least 200 to 250k but that may well be offset by the redistribution of tv revenue when it is decided. But to have killie saying they will lose over a million quid will surely send them over the edge without rangers in spl and from outside saints appears to be a well run club in financial terms, but i am yet to be convinced that rangers will be voted out, because when running a business its financial reasons u take decisions not whether someone has cheated and behaved morally wrongly, but gilmour and club should make their position clear
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+4 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-26 15:59
I accept what you say Roger but surely once the redistribution of TV and other revenue is made in a more equitable ratio the losses of a couple of home games against Rangers will possibly be negated.
Also I do not believe that Sky and ESPN will dump Scottish Football as if they do then they will be finished for good when the "New Rangers" eventually get back into the Premier Division..
As for Stewart Gilmour I am quite disgusted that he has not declared his intentions especially when it is so obvious what the supporters have indicated what they want.
Has he forgotten that the supporters are the backbone of the club............... forget the 10000 hours fiasco.
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+5 # FrankieMac 2012-06-27 10:59
Absolute bloody ridiculous Atkinson talking about options including St Mirren going into administration and the fans putting in even more larger sums of cash. He has been talking about a possible £200,000 shortfall and the point is....if you buy a football club then be prepared to put your own cash in. He has hardly put his hand in his pocket and still trying to do it on the cheap. I can see the club going downhill even further and why ask the fans for even MORE cash when he should be doing it himself. I run a business myself and often I take a hit. It's called INVESTMENT and I don't pass it all on to my customers. I dig into my own pocket.
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+1 # Dave 2012-06-27 22:06
@FrankieMac. like I have said before if all the fans give me cash I'll buy the club! Atkinson is doing what Craig Whyte did to rangers only Craig Whyte paid a £1. Now I see a councillor wants Renfrewshire Council to pay into the Atkinson con job.....I'm getting ready to walk away for good as the whole game in this country seems corrupt and the SFA who are supposed to be our governing body are a shambles. They are trying to merge the SPL and SFL is this for the benefit of Scottish football? I don't think. If the merger goes ahead before the start of the new season it's a fit up job to favour The Rangers ARGGGGGGGHHHHHH ! And anyone who paid into 10,000 hrs when it goes t!ts up do you really think that money will be returned? And how many fans are paying into the 10,000 hrs using benefit payments? This could blow up big time!
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+2 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-28 09:02
Do you ever think that the supporters will eventually see through this con man and if they do, hopefully before he has run off with all their cash !
I think RA is going to turn out to be a bigger con merchant that Craig Whyte.
Into administration ?? We have, at present, no debts, we are solvent so why would RA talk about Administration............. unless he has some dirty plan up his sleeve.
It appears that the consortium are over £250,000 short of their target and the £50,000 that the Council are thinking about will make little difference ............... unless the present Board drop their asking price. Can you imagine a member of the council sitting on the Saint Mirren board.?
That spells disaswter for the club.
Still waiting to find out how Saint Mirren are voting....... I hope SG does not embarass us all by voting for the cheats.
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+2 # MLSTEWART 2012-06-28 11:15
Listen i was on this site seeral years ago stating that this scenario would occur.with gilmour .and was told by others that the chairman was wonderul and had saint mirren first and oremost.I know his idol is david murray need i say more.On the (league recconstruction its a crafty move to allow"The institution"(mental) back in premiere as soon as possible.Do not be kidded the sfa is full of rangers and they will soften the blow if they can They did not have any qualms.about throwihg livingston in to the third division.In essence if they try and get away with this ploy .irrelevant to gilmours ideas we will have to make a stance on this and let him know we mean business.
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-4 # big tam 2012-06-28 17:33
I saw gilmour walking out the sfa what the hell is he playimg at.....
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-1 # Dave 2012-06-28 21:33
And what does our own supporters group say about it all......do they follow the official statements to keep a seat round some "table"?

Should we or can we trust the SFA to look into this 10,000 hrs deal? Should we contact UEFA about what is going on? Does anyone official have any integrity to be approached????
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+1 # Dave 2012-06-28 21:39
Integrity = treat all teams the same and follow the rules set out.

Lack of integrity and greed = this link sport.stv.tv/.../...
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+2 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-29 10:07
Have there been any representations to the St Mirren Board by the official supporters clubs etc as regards Rangers going to the 3rd division?
We now read that everybody is bending backwords to accommodate "the cheating bxxxxxds" in the 1st Division. I do not remember all this fuss being made when Livingstone or Airdrie went into liquidation. Hopefully they will receive the punishment they deserve.
I am sure SG and the board read these pages and I just cannot understand why none of them have the guts to reply to our comments etc on the current situation.
Why does the Editor of the Black and White Magazine not interview Stewart Gilmour on this subject and then publish a report of the interview on these pages.
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+2 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-30 06:54
Go into the official St Mirren Web page and read the section headed "SPL Newco"
It advises that SG had a private meeting with the Rangers Management etc and advised them that they would be voting against their entry into the SPL but I bet some other concessions were agreed with the CHEATS.
Why did SG have to go crawling to Rangers, unlike other chairmen of SPL clubs, and why could he not come out into the open and say "we are voting against.
Hopefullt he will also vote against the 1st division and send them to the 3rd division.
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+4 # ben r buddie 4 life 2012-06-30 13:11
so many people on hear saying they might walk away if we dont vote no to a noco or for some other reason. Be a true fan and go no matter what, stop caring about what we vote and renew your tickets for the team you love COYS
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0 # Jack on Arran 2012-06-30 14:43
I have never said "walk away"
I bought my season ticket before the end of May !
I just do not want to see the cheating Rangers again for at least 3 years!
I hope all the other Saint Mirren supporters feel the same.
We MUST support the team and buy season tickets and encourage as many supporters as possible to do the same
If income is going to fall due to the demise of Rangers then we must make up the shortfall.
Instead of giving £10 a month to that con merchant, Richard Atkinson,. so that he can take over the club without putting his hand into his own pocket, I would be very willing to give £10 a month to Saint Mirren to make up for the reduced income from Sky etc.
But not a penny until I know that RA has been forced to abandon his rediculous take over and left the premises.
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+2 # MLSTEWART 2012-07-02 21:59
I have always maintained we are a big side that has been subdued by a lack of ambition.Gilmours has verified this with his obsession with 'The institution'We are now being told we will not be making any more signings stated by gilmour.His wee lackey lennon informs us we are the poorest team in the league.This of oursee is to please gilmour as he is obviously afraid of him..Teams much poorer than us have walked in to our ground and walked off with our players this has eeven occured recently with killie st johnstoneWe have not got a recognised left-back and are woefully short in midfield.Gilmour should be solving these problems instead of having meetings with green and co to satisfy his own financial desires.Hearts killie etc are up to their knees in debt are they worried about rangers not a jot.
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+2 # BIG TAM 2012-07-03 08:18
hE should be in thr social cutting benefits.He does mot care what keague we are in.
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+2 # Jack on Arran 2012-07-03 09:30
If your interest was more in selling the club than in the future of the club then you would also do what Stewart Gilmour is doing and not allow the manager to spend any money strengthening the pool for next year.
BUT THAT IS E RECIPE FOR DISASTER AND IS SHORT SIGHTED
We need to look at the wider picture and go for players that will make us a stronger team that will, at least, end up in the top 6 next season.
Does Danny Lennon not realise that if every other team is hanging back .and not signing new players, the market is open and that this is the right time for us to go into the market and make some meaningful signings. Can you imagine the mad rush and stampede there will be the minute the SPL, SFL and SFA make their decisions.
And even now at the 11th hour we learn that no decisions will be made today !
Maybe by Xmas !!
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