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    Gordon Urquhart

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    My very first contribution to this thread.... I thought Richard Atkinson delivered a 'tour de force' performance tonight. Warm, devoid of ego and a very honest assessment of where are are now and where we want to be. Change is the key here. My fear is that only baby steps will be taken when what we really need is fundamental change not just to survive but to prosper. The same can be said of Scottish football as a whole. Letter bombs, sectarian nonsense, institutional bigotry, playing and spectating in freezing Scottish winter conditions, too expensive to attend games, protectionist SPL, kids playing Playstation and not sports? Its not only the OF that needs to change but even our own young men who play for the club as reported today. It needs to change and we can only (try to) educate and make things better for the future. As was said tonight, this may be the chance to make a radical difference to not just St Mirren but our wider community in Paisley and surrounding areas. A bit like doing the video stuff we do, you can never please all of the people all of the time. I felt tonight it's not some Reg Brearley scenario we are in but a time to move things forward in our own here and now generation. The club was at Love Street for 115 years alone and will still be here long after we are all long gone. 'Animal' and the lady at the front doing all the talking tonight probably have good reasons for their stance and objections to all these changes. We are all Buddies and should stick together. It is put up or shut up time. The best thing for all of us St Mirren fans to to do, is get involved. I may regret this post in the morning, oh hang on, it is the morning now.
  3. 3 points
    ds10

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    What I can't get get my head around with this whole process is this. When the current board took over the running of the club, it was about £2 million in debt. After all the extremely hard work to get the club out of debt, the directors then sell their shares for £2 million, which require to be purchased with a loan. Does that not get us back to square one? And negate all those years of hard work? I do appreciate that it is not strictly speaking the club that is saddled with this debt. However I assume the CIC will be restricted in the amount of money it can invest in the club as it will be repaying this debt.
  4. 2 points
    We are happy to correct you. You are wrong. 10000hours CIC
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    FTOF

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    Explain to me how different that scenario is from most other professional football clubs in existence today. You only have to look at the blue bigots to see that scenario unfolding. We, as a club , have been extremely fortunate to have had St.Mirren supporters in charge of our club for the past 15 years or so.They no longer want to be in charge. IMO, we've developed into a situation, since we built the new ground, where St.Mirren and the fans are in a cosy wee "comfort zone" .With the CiC plan unfolding, people, quite rightly, are worried about what happens when we exit our "comfort zone". For me, any risks with the CiC are equivalent [although not of the same nature no doubt] to any risks that would appear if a "white knight" or a consortium [both unlikely scenarios] invested suitable funds into the club. I think the main question is: Do we [the fans] have the balls to take a chance and try and better our club or do we sit tight and stagnate, in the vain hope that someone will toddle along and make everything great, without any risk to the club? IMO, the club in its present state can't move forward, so I'm willing to take that chance.
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    pozbaird

    Tonights Public Meeting - Live Online

    Div, I think it started at 250, and dropped to 130 when her doon' the front opened her gob.
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    Stu

    10000 Hours Q&A Thread

    According to the Daily Mail article from the other week (so possibly not reliable), there are two applications in to the Scottish Investment Fund - one for £1million (half grant, half loan) and one for a £300,000 loan as the maximum they give out in one go is £1million. The SIF website says it will typically be at 8 per cent. If we get the total £800k loan from then then I guess the other £400k is coming from elsewhere.
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    pozbaird

    10000 Hours Q&A Thread

    r*ngers. Cnuts In Crisis.
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    bingboy

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    Animal I think it's right that people ask difficult questions but you aren't content with that, instead hinting at hidden agendas and doubting the ability of the CIC to deliver what they say they will, in this case a bar inside the stadium. I think it's unrealistic to expect details of a commercial deal to be revealed until it's all been signed off. If you're not prepared to become a member of the CIC that's fine, it's your prerogative. But if you're not prepared to accept the word of a man who successfully runs a multi-million pound business that he can deliver something as simple as a new bar inside the stadium then I don't think you're going to believe anything that 10000 hours tell you. If you don't want the CIC buyover to succeed tell us why - what are your fears for the club if this goes through?
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    Doubts cast about the official attendance at St Mirren? Well I never!
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    Stu

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    Well that clears it up slightly - however, many people seem to be getting excited about the prospect of a bar raising money for the club. That doesn't seem to be the case at all, instead it raises money to help pay off the loan. Out of interest, if 10000hours held so many conferences/events over the year that it made more than was required to pay of loans, running costs etc, what happens to the profit?
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    10000hours

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    Correct. And as a CIC it will be transparent so you will be able to know the facts as to just how much extra money the club has earned and exactly where it has been spent, and if you dont like the outcome you have the power to enact change as it is your club.
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    TsuMirren

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    It's pretty obvious the CIC isn't going to win everyone over, the same people shouting Gilmour out will shout CIC out. Likewise they'll shout whomever out if it goes to a single person, then shout at Gilmour for accepting the sort of deal they've been demanding Gilmour accepts, and will just walk away if the club gets relegated and ends up in the bottom three of division one. Luckily it looks like a lot more people are willing to put some time and effort in and understand things. I don't think you all want to be told what to do, but on the other hand some are demanding to know exactly what will be voted on. It's probably unfortunate that safeguarding the clubs future involves so much reading, so much trawling through threads to find and answer (they are there) and will involve a bit of our time and money. Investment hasn't worked, indeed when has Saint Mirren ever really invested money it did have on transfers...it's sold directors seats, sold players on and had donations from the fans, but from memory the investment has been on the ground be it the squaring off of terraced ends, putting seats in or building a new stand. Strange that we now have people demanding money is invested on players when we've never really had it to do it. There was a statement last night, outwith the meeting, that 2 SPL Chairman don't like this idea. Well, I wouldn't want any of the other 11 SPL Chairman anywhere near St Mirren and they certainly aren't an example to anyone.
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    ck1

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    This is also my concern, far too many non St.Mirren or football minded people on board and more committees than we need who might not have the true interest of St.Mirren Football Club. But my biggest fear is the St.Mirren supporters with the big egos who will put themselves forward for some of the positions available you just see how some react on this web site if you don’t agree with them what chance we have if they get into a position of power.
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    Guest

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    promised myself i would leave it, but it's difficult to ignore 40 odd years of emotion. if i understand some of the information made public last night it is this : the club (via the CiC) will in fact add over £1m debt to be serviced : there is an expectation that "additional" funds via CiC instigated avenues won't filter through for 12-18 months at the earliest : we now know we have (executive) Board Number 3!!! : the CiC wont be funded (grants/loans) unless the community involved i.e. Saints fans sign up as individual members. but those very people "The Community" were the last to know any detail about the proposal, some feel they still don't have sufficent detail, but the corporate and community members apparently know more? my biggest worry and i can't leave it so call me what you want if that makes you feel manly. Is! obviously any business venture is a risk. on this one we have Three boards, corporate members, Community groups and individual members all involved in decision making at some level??? once a bit of pressure comes along their naturally going to defend their own interest first, how will a football club be run in that scenario (pressure), which happens to every club, every season. and then what may or may not be understood if the club via the Cic gets into financial difficulty (not uncommon for football clubs, especially those adding to the debt) the CiC has to go into liquidation first before any new owner can take control of its affairs. the much trumpeted man on horse with £2m quid burning a hole in his pocket can't simply buy an asset locked entity that means points deduction, relagation and possible oblivion. how the hell are all the "decision makers" going to deal with that? if you fall out with the community groups because they act or insist on something thats not in what the fans consider is in the best interests of the club, you can't simply sack or bar them, as the Grants/loans are conditional on their continued participation and benefit. Question? How many people does it take to run a football club.... effectively looks set that the numbers will be achieved, i wholeheartdly hope it is successful, but i worry my clubb will disappear under a sea of committee's, in fighting, vested interest and financial problems....... how is that going to improve what happens on the pitch? fell free to add the usual insult etc etc
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    Stu

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    There are levels in the presentation that could be classed as the "executive board", however nothing that clearly states it. It's quite reasonable to come to the view it's been hidden - I'd been told there was a executive board level and assumed it had been left off the flow chart. Still doesn't seem to be an answer to how all this will lead to an increased footballing budget and allowing debts to be repaid - would have thought it would be one or the other. A lot of the stuff the CIC are proposing/hoping for is good, however the club should already have been doing it without a CIC.
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    It was in the document that was posted online this morning ahead of the meeting
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    Animal, I sit on a committee at a juvenile football club and the structure that is being proposed makes sense to me. We have various committees within the club - disciplinary, coaches and fund raising. All of them have their set functions but we also have an elected Executive Committee which deals with the club accounts, player protection, and communication. This is a structure that is outlined within the SFA's own club development programme and in reality all the Executive Committee does is approve or deny the various tournament requests from our coaches and we look to protect the reputation of the club. You could claim the executive committee within our structure has overall control of the club but it would be wrong. The power comes from beneath us because if we don't follow the direction our coaches and players want us to follow we won't have teams to field. Same goes for this structure. If the executive don't follow the wishes of the Corporate, Community and Individual membership they won't have those members in the second year.
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    jimdickloyal

    Church at SMP

    Having attended the meeting tonight and having heard Richard talk about this very subject I must say that if this church decides to meet at St Mirren park then as a future cic member it is a good thing. The benefits are quite clear.
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    Tracy Barlow Loyal

    Church at SMP

    I see we're onto the subject of attacking Homosexuals now? This thread is getting worse day by day. First of all we had attacks on Churches holding their Services or other events at St. Mirren Park. Next up was attacks on people’s Religious beliefs. Then we had various comments about Muslims and their “Carpet Bowling Teams” (if they really exist). The mind boggles as to why those posts get Green Dots and I get flooded with Red Dots. Now we have the even easier target – Homosexuals and Civil Partnerships (or Gay Weddings as some folks like to call them). When is this thread going to be put to rest or are the powers that be going to let this thread run and run and run until some Journalist picks up on it and goes to print how FARE and UEFA should be looking into the behaviour of the supporters of St. Mirren Football Club? Red Dots for this?!!! Whal, some folks need to get a Life!
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    Dibbles old paperboy

    Church at SMP

    As someone who works for a non-denominational Christian organisation I so wish people would realise that the Old Firm sectarian scandal has next to nothing to do with the Christian 'religion'. The sectarian bile they sing is basically POLITICAL and relates to whether Ireland should be united and ruled from Dublin or divided with the North continuing to be part of the UK and ruled from Westminster. The links to paramilitary support of the IRA or UVF again is a political issue rather than a religious one. I don't hear any r*ngers of c*ltic fans singing or shouting about any of the theological issues which make Protestant Christian and Catholic Christian distinct from each other: the authority of the Bible v the authority of tradition; whether it is right to call the Pope the 'head' of the church or Mary the 'Mother of God' etc. The only concern I would have over a congregation using St Mirren's facilities to have their church meetings would be if they were at the loony tune extreme end of theological spectrum and were guilty of encouraging sectarianism Many churches no longer meet in traditional church buildings because of the costs of maintaining an old building often built in the 18th or 19th century and not all that practical for multipurpose use today. I know of several churches in Renfrewshire meeting in school buildings or community centres or further afield there are churches meeting in coffee shops, a pub and a former cinema. St Mirren Park's function suite has been used to host seminars and workshops for RAC and other organisations since it opened, if a church reckons the facilities would suit them then why not let them hire it as any other local business or community group could. If a Zumba dance class were wanting to do a weekly hire would there be the same fuss?
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    ck1

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    Why do your posts always lead to insults and assume that you know it all, you are the type of people that us St.Mirren supporters worry about as I mentioned in another post the supporter with the ego the will end up on a board or committee......god help us 
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    Dirty Sanchez

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    I don't have any problem with the revelation of the existence of the Executive Board tier because I think they are mainly there to lessen the chances of an arse being made of things. However, further to the debate here, I believe that Richard Atkinson actually acknowledged that the Executive Board hadn't been mentioned before tonight. A guy on the pitch side of the room, near the back, pointed out that he hadn't heard of the Executive Board until that moment, to which Richard replied, "No, you haven't". There is also talk of why we haven't already been using some of these revenue generating ideas outside of the CiC. While this, of course, has merit, I have been convinced tonight that it is the involvement of the community that would be the main factor driving these types of initiatives, and allowing the whole thing to snowball. If we can get it to the point where it's snowballing we'll be in good shape, but that won't be easy. It was quite startling to see how much the budget could be affected by, e.g. 500 more people on the average gate, which made me reflect on the long term effects of the life draining football served up in the latter days of the last guy. The clincher, for me, is the assertion that the worst case scenario supposedly brings us back to the situation we are currently in, with the 52% up for sale. It's a cautious, but hopeful, 'yes' from me.
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