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  1. 7 points
    div

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    I am puzzled by the comments of the likes of Animal and Yule Brynner. These are guys who took the time to attend the public meeting, listened to all that was said, and then ran back home to type on an internet forum about how terrible it all is. Yet they said nothing at the meeting. There was NO dissent shown other than by Michelle Evans who simply could not understand the concept being explained to her. When Reg Brealey addressed the AGM all those years ago he spoke incredibly well and had everyone present eating out the palm of his hand with his exciting tales of massive investment and a return to European Football. Yet at the back of that audience came some dissenting voices in the shape of Stewart Gilmour, Charlie Palmer et al. They had done their homework, they knew of the threat that was unfolding and began to pick apart the plan with consumate ease as it happened. Why do the dissenters to the CIC plan not do their homework ? Why not spend the time investigating in detail what is happening, go and speak to Richard on a 1:1 basis if that helps, then persuade the supporters WHY this is a bad plan that is putting the club at risk. And have the balls to stand up and say that at the public meeting. Don't sit behind your computer screen and label eveyone else a f**kwit - do something constructive with your argument and you might get more backing.
  2. 2 points
    Stu

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    There's a fairly simple solution - the club doesn't accept the CIC's bid and things carry on as before. Not great, going on the last few years, but a perfectly reasonable way to run a football club - there is no threat to the future of the club. A few of the CIC's ideas could be "borrowed" and put into place to raise more cash. All we seem to be hearing in detail is what will happen in year one - would be good to know what will happen in years two or three once things are running. It would also be nice to hear a proper contingency plan if a large number of the supporters, or four or five corporate members, decide it is not for them, pull out and can't be replaced. At the moment it seems the answer is to run around shouting "FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK".
  3. 2 points
    Tracy Barlow Loyal

    Church at SMP

    Yes indeed. A pile of [email protected] old pish this Website has become...
  4. 1 point
    We put all our eggs in one basket. We all put a tenner a month away, wait for the next Euromillions rollover, buy thousands of tickets and hope for the best!
  5. 1 point
    pozbaird

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    Yul summed it up best? When he refers to supporters as 'villagers', waffles on about 'the stranger'', and talks down his nose to everyone in a condescending manner? Aye, whatever.
  6. 1 point
    pozbaird

    Public Meetings

    I didn't know who it was at the time. Richard Atkinson said right at the beginning of the presentation that if anyone had any questions as he went along, to raise their hand. About 30 seconds into proceedings she asked a question, which was answered. She asked the same question again, it was answered again. She kept asking it. Jim Mullan of Kibble answered it too. She wasn't for giving up though, and kept going. It was almost like a deliberate act to railroad the proceedings - maybe she was wired for sound, and Yul Brynner up the back, possibly baldy and serious looking in his pastel green T Shirt, was pulling her strings. Nothing would surprise me anymore.
  7. 1 point
    TsuMirren

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    You and Martin Bain must really enjoy being members of the pointless typing society.
  8. 1 point
    Howdy Pardners.. So the Mysterious stranger has addressed the villagers. He spoke well and when the mood amongst the gathering began to fade after the first 45 minutes employed that well known tactic of turning to humour in order to bring the gathering back onside. He has been told what onside and offside is - although having professed to have been always a football fan (where have you heard that old chestnut before? - maybe someone should tell his dad at Maxi), he should have known this anyway. He is a salesman. There is no harm in this and he seems a decent hombre. However his opening sentence said it all. ‘THIS IS ALL ABOUT A CIC’. That should really have been along the lines of THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE FUTURE STABILITY, WELFARE AND GROWTH OF ST. MIRREN FOOTBALL CLUB. Sadly this comment only showed where his true interest lies. Again this does not make him a bad person, just a non-football fan who wants to use our club as a social experiment. The villagers lapped up the good news. They love their club and want the very best for it. Even as those of us towards the back of the barn struggled now and again to hear at times, questions were asked for by the Stranger. When some of these became a bit intense a proposal from the floor to leave the questions until the end suited his preaching style, wonder where that skill was developed? Once more, no harm in that. This had the effect of disengaging from some questions from a well-known newssheet and that new fangled wireless thing journalist who was obviously asking her questions in a particular way. From where we were sitting it was obvious that the top table were happy that this was stopped. The villagers seemed to appreciate it too although the two of us Magnificent 7ers (there’s still seven) in attendance could see why she was doing it. This is after all the pesky newssheet way. We don’t think she’s a dumb broad. Oops, sorry wrong soundtrack. A villager sitting at the front spoke early on and said that if he had been a shareholder then he would have been raging at the lack of respect that has been shown to so many people that have put pesos into the club over the years. This is a fair point and perhaps a sign of times ahead. After all at the club AGM the Stranger, when pressed on this point by a shareholder assured the questioner that the shareholders would be consulted first. That when he earlier said they would hear of progress in the local press and through something called the media was just a slip of the tongue. This was just prior to the big boss taking the microphone, whatever that is, away from him for the first time. The answer and reasoning as to why this courtesy was not adhered to was extremely weak in response. It is obvious to anyone with a sombrero that the CIC model has lots going for it. The magic word as you might expect is community. This is what the villagers are (literally) buying into. They are to be commended for caring about the community in the first place. It’s just a shame that St. Mirren FC is being used as an experiment to show that a vehicle designed for small to medium community projects is being used to PURCHASE SHARES AND CONTROL OF our football club. It was almost amusing to look around and see all the villagers discussing matters they will have no real control or say over, while the generals elsewhere rub their hands at the thought of all those locals doing the work for them and then paying for the privilege. Even when it was pointed out that we will have a raft of directors, THREE boards including the decision making EXECUTIVE BOARD and a process of management strata that ICI would be proud of all to run a fitba (as you Scots call soccer) team the villager present thought it was worth trying. Now some are saying that if it doesn’t work they will pull out after a year. That’s the point, doing that will bring potential disaster to our front door. That’s why the Stranger said that payments will be by direct debit. Any marketeer will tell you that folk are slow to cancel this type of payment. Others wanted to know what they get for their monthly payment. Surely that is against the spirit of all of this. You should be doing this for community, not to get something from it. This is the project’s weakness. Villagers will leave. Disillusionment will set in. Pressures will come onto the management structure of the club as opposing factions over THREE boards fall out … then? This is the human condition folks. When another pesky villager asked what would happen when people lose interest, stop paying into the CIC and if it goes bust, the Stranger’s answer defied belief. ‘We will have a problem. We will just have to go back to the funders’. Read that again. This is akin to buying your house, defaulting on the payment then asking the building society for more cash! Bet you don’t fancy putting your club in that position. So if you sign up you damn well better expect to stay. As for the funders, well they are a big secret. ‘We can’t tell you said the Stranger.’ A PUBLIC meeting and nothing is made public other than the sign up now message… better not mention we are seeking taxpayers’ dollars. Come on! A local hero, someone the villagers know and trust was asked to introduce proceedings. If he didn’t know before as to why he is there he does now as the Stranger told the villagers that he wouldn’t have expected them to listen to him so that’s why the hero was brought on board! The third member of the top table was no ranch hand from the Kibble Corral, no he is one of the top men. At one point during proceedings and in scathing tones he actually asked ‘why has this been left to us, it makes you wonder what the board (of SMFC) been doing for the last 10 years?’ Unbelievable. He said this sitting in a brand new football stadium OWNED by a Premier League football club and with a new training ground across town. What a lack of respect, breathtaking arrogance too. This is a proposal. NOTHING has been left to anyone. In fact the Stranger had already explained that the entire CIC project was his idea. He explained this very clearly and well. He has clearly brought this hombre on board, so for the Kibble Kid to virtually claim that he has seen fit himself to pick up from the current board and by association claim any part in the concept is a bit rich. He was plainly playing to the gallery. Incredibly the villagers applauded this comment. Bad mouthing any board is always acceptable to fans of any club we suppose. Far from us 7 to defend the board but this is bluster at its best. We bet some slugs and a fistful of dollars that he wasn’t a season ticket holder in any of those previous 10 years he referred to! Is he even a Saints fan? That’s one dumb question to ask if he is. To claim the moral high ground in this manner is shocking. He was visibly annoyed at some of the other questions too. Well, time to get back in the saddle. We’ll mosey on down to the saloon to discuss this more. No doubt you will too. One parting shot for the moment. Putting the club at risk is not acceptable. For fans to claim they will try this out and then leave puts the risk into sharp focus as does the only answer if all goes wrong and the £10k contributors – at the moment rumoured to contain FIVE of the current board and committed for one year only - decide to pull out. No wonder they too are a secret. It doesn’t matter what has been done at other clubs anywhere. This is St. Mirren and our club means too much to everyone to depend a house of cards like this for its survival. We have no debt. For a holding company to propose incurring debt to purchase the shares then to TRY to take on more debt if it doesn’t work out is no business strategy. And where is the football in all of this? Maybe the board should change THEIR minds and put their shares on the open market and allow the relative insurance of a mixed board to look after the club as it has done since we became a limited company. After all that is exactly what protected the club from Brealey. With the CIC there is no turning back. Any more of this and we will have to make a movie! …to be continued
  9. 1 point
    bingboy

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    Animal I think it's right that people ask difficult questions but you aren't content with that, instead hinting at hidden agendas and doubting the ability of the CIC to deliver what they say they will, in this case a bar inside the stadium. I think it's unrealistic to expect details of a commercial deal to be revealed until it's all been signed off. If you're not prepared to become a member of the CIC that's fine, it's your prerogative. But if you're not prepared to accept the word of a man who successfully runs a multi-million pound business that he can deliver something as simple as a new bar inside the stadium then I don't think you're going to believe anything that 10000 hours tell you. If you don't want the CIC buyover to succeed tell us why - what are your fears for the club if this goes through?
  10. 1 point
    Irate-Pirate

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    I didn't go to the meeting last night. One of the main selling points for an individual member seems to be having the ability to vote for certain important issues. For example, electing someone onto the board. You could say that the current shareholders have this power at the moment. In reality everyone just sits there and raises their hand en masse at the appropriate time - not really that exciting. Do the corporate members who shell out £10K have just the one vote like individual members or is it "pro rata" ?
  11. 1 point
    ck1

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    Why do your posts always lead to insults and assume that you know it all, you are the type of people that us St.Mirren supporters worry about as I mentioned in another post the supporter with the ego the will end up on a board or committee......god help us 
  12. 1 point
    ck1

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    This is also my concern, far too many non St.Mirren or football minded people on board and more committees than we need who might not have the true interest of St.Mirren Football Club. But my biggest fear is the St.Mirren supporters with the big egos who will put themselves forward for some of the positions available you just see how some react on this web site if you don’t agree with them what chance we have if they get into a position of power.
  13. 1 point
    Sid only one thing needs to come out of this meeting for it to be successful. 1- How much of a loan is being taken out. 2- If we should tumble into the first division and members start pulling out during the loan period what happens if there is not enough to keep up loan payments. So far answers on that have been avoided like the plague. Richard's has some good ideas but he is not a football man. Why is important basic questions being avoided even by e-mail. Surly after all we have been through going to a new stadium every fan will want the figures to be water tight. If they are not then we should not embrace CIC. It seem to me many have fallen for the romance of a CIC club with out seeing figures. That is a big worry.
  14. 1 point
    Tracy Barlow Loyal

    Church at SMP

    Aye
  15. 1 point
    Tracy Barlow Loyal

    Church at SMP

    I see we're onto the subject of attacking Homosexuals now? This thread is getting worse day by day. First of all we had attacks on Churches holding their Services or other events at St. Mirren Park. Next up was attacks on people’s Religious beliefs. Then we had various comments about Muslims and their “Carpet Bowling Teams” (if they really exist). The mind boggles as to why those posts get Green Dots and I get flooded with Red Dots. Now we have the even easier target – Homosexuals and Civil Partnerships (or Gay Weddings as some folks like to call them). When is this thread going to be put to rest or are the powers that be going to let this thread run and run and run until some Journalist picks up on it and goes to print how FARE and UEFA should be looking into the behaviour of the supporters of St. Mirren Football Club? Red Dots for this?!!! Whal, some folks need to get a Life!
  16. 1 point
    Tracy Barlow Loyal

    Church at SMP

    Twenty-two years ago today, 96 People died under terrible and tragic circumstances. This afternoon, I watched some of the Memorial Service live on Television from Anfield. I am not a Supporter of Liverpool Football Club. I do not claim to know the complete “ins” and “outs” of 15th April, 1989. I also do not “take sides” regarding who is to blame or not to blame. I do however take great interest in this day every year and the Memorial Service which takes place and the fact that various Churches within the Liverpool and Merseyside area are represented at this Service. They all gather as one. They pray as one. They respect and console one another. The arm of friendship is extended to one another regardless of whether the person next to them is a Roman Catholic, a Protestant, a member of a Gospel Church (sorry I’m not sure what such a person is called, but I’m sure some knowledgeable person such as Bluto will stand me corrected) or are associated with any other Church. That is a society I would like to live within.
  17. 1 point
    Tracy Barlow Loyal

    Church at SMP

    Brilliant! Brilliant Brrrrrriiiiiiiilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! E.T.A. I can stop searching on Google for "Paisley Muslim Carpet Bowls Club" now.
  18. 1 point
    Tracy Barlow Loyal

    Church at SMP

    Over 200 now, Bluto! Well, Religion should not necessarily infest every aspect of life, but it looks like the People of Paisley and surrounding area feel different...
  19. 0 points
    Guest

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    heres a radical idea! instead of donating £10 a month to a company making NO Gaurantees what it will achive other than bars for its corporate sponsors etc.... why not INVEST £10 a month in the club? it has NO debt it won't be run by a plethora of boards and commitee's the football will come first, not the local women's Institute whist drive it's been around for a few years the current board have managed it wisely including the creation of a brand new (Debt Free) stadium you might have already worked out this is St Mirren FOOTBALL Club, not the idealogical whim of a Sugar Daddy (minus the sugar) is it a runner?
  20. -1 points
    Guest

    Top 5 Sickest Saints Songs

    1. The mcGraw song(you'll never walk again) 2. we've got ludo-he's a darkie......johnny Doyles no' a sparky 3. the norrie mccathie escaping gas 'sssssssssssss' 4. theres only one norrie(when mr mcwhirter was in the team v dumbfermline) 5. alex totten,child molestor,all the kiddies call him uncle fester and when the bell rings you hear the kids sing,could you go another mare bar uncle fester (to the great escape tune)
  21. -1 points
    St. Sid

    Church at SMP

    That's surprising considering some of the homophobic banter I hear being flung at opposition players from the Main Stand. Seriously though, is bum sex really something people can't do without. I've given up masterbating for lent and I can tell you it's a tough gig.
  22. -1 points
    St. Sid

    Church at SMP

    Have a red dot valerie.
  23. -1 points
    HSS

    Speculation Thread

    The bench?
  24. -1 points
    HSS

    Public Meetings

    Typical St Mirren Supporters.If they're not slagging players they're slagging fellow fans.
  25. -1 points
    I don't think that would work. I wouldn't want to waste a penny of my share on a football club....
  26. -1 points
    We all know football fans can and will be extremely sick and twisted with their humour. Indeed, many revel in this as it proves they'll do anything to support the team to the extent of disturbing the opposition so much. Or just plain winding up the opposition fans. So here's a few from over the years. Let me state right now: yes I have - shamefully - chanted some of these, however I don't think I'm alone in this one. 1. (Tom Hark tune) - Tommy Burns, so does Doyle. Sung to Sellik fans after the Johnny D was electrocuted. It somewhat annoyed them. 2. Michael Fagan caught VD. Sung to Blue Bigots. The bloke in question broke in to Buck House and sat on the edge of Lizzy's bed before being huckled. It started off that he had shagged Her Maj then mutated from there. 3. (I'm H A P P Y tune) - You're HIV HA HA! Sung to any fans from Edinburgh in the late 80s/early 90s as Auld Reekie was the AIDS capital of Europe. 4. You're gaunnae die of AIDS - see number 3. 5. SSSSSSSSS- chanted to Dungfermline fans circa 1996. Norrie McCathie had just died from carbon monoxide poisoning. I haven't a clue what it meant....
  27. -2 points
    St. Sid

    The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours

    A lot of circular dialogue going on now about the same topics, which suggests that the dissenters are running out of things to scaremonger about. I think the criticism regarding the CIC competing with the club for revenues is more understandable than some of the guff being thrown up. However, a wee bit of thought about the drivers for investing in the CIC versus spending a tenner a month on an SMFC offering will actually demostrate how the CIC will increase revenues for the club rather than compete for them. The driver for investing in the CIC is a very personal investment by supporters who care deeply about their club, who care about protecting the assets of the club for future generations, who want the club to be core to the community - an alternative to the OF that destroys lives rather than enhances the community, who want our club to grow both off the pitch but more importantly on it. For a long time, supporters have been feeling disconnected from the club - that is across Scotland and elsewhere in the world. "Diehards" have been staying away. Fans have become disillusioned as they get ignored by BoDs in favour of TV Money, cow-towing to the OF and their quisling Scottish football administrations and commercial coniderations that mean little to us - over priced tickets, no access to information - even now there are bleatings about transparency of the CIC process, well compare that to the current running of OUR club. In my always humble opinion the £10 investment in the CIC will bring fans closer to the club, they will feel that every investment in SMFC is an investment in OUR club. We will have transparency of the finances of the club for the first time in eons - not in a legally required annual report and AGM, but through being at the heart of the decision making of the club. At the same time we will be seeing our club doing great things in the community - things that we can all be very pwoud of. If Alex Ferguson and a loud haler could get the town excited about St Mirren, just think what will be achieved by the journey we about to embark on. Someone was talkiing about putting poster walls in the corner of the stadium. I am thinking more of seeing the corners stands added to the ground - I don't believe it will happen in the first couple of years; however I do believe that the potential growth of the club could see those sort of dreams that we are completely dismissive of at the moment coming to fruition. The club will continue to run as is with the same income streams they currently have. The big difference is going to be investment coming in from new areas, some previously unavailable to us - as in community project funding and completely untapped income streams from areas we have never went for. Existing fans will be viewing their investment in SMFC very differently now the club will actually be US, not just in our hearts and in our minds but in terms of running the club the way we want it run. I am sure all of us give to charities where we have no real involvement, would we give more if our child had an illness related to that charity's work - of course we would. Club members spend in their own club - the membership fee is not going to be competing against the club - it will make us more likely to spend more on it.....ditto the corporate and especially the community members and their own memberships.
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