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  1. The St. Mirren Family Stand – A Wrong Decision Dear Board Members I am writing this letter to you to express my unease with the on-going situation regarding the use of the Family Stand at St. Mirren Park. I am personally opposed to the stance taken by the board to allow the use of the family stand for accommodating both the Rangers and Celtic supports at our home games against us, based on the claims of increased revenue to the club and therefore additional funds to support the playing staff budget. I would like to highlight the club’s website ticketing information page detail for the South (Family) Stand:- “Please note that the South Stand is a Family Stand and therefore we expect no swearing within this stand. In the past we have had complaints from family groups and potentially new supporters about the language their children were subjected to. We will therefore be working closely with the police and stewards to discourage this type of behaviour in order that the good work we are doing with local schools encouraging them to support the Club is not wasted. Please assist the Police and stewards by pointing out anyone who participates in unacceptable language.” It beggars belief that the above is the policy of the club for the season, yet on 3 (or 4 occasions if we ever achieved Top 6 at the split in April), that is put aside to let 1654 additional opposing supporters, swear, sing sectarian songs, let off flares, throw objects onto the pitch, and in general flout the rules of the stadium, the laws of the land, and be above the attention of the Police in enforcing the rules and laws in place, as it might create a flash point to intervene and deal with the situation. You are in essence condoning that behaviour, rather than being radical and forward thinking. In addition, although the Police and Stewarding arrangements are deemed to be adequate for the crowd management on the day, there has been no real regard shown to the fact that some fans will not attend, and the majority who do attend, do so with a feeling of unease and discomfort at the situation, which is most definitely not felt when all the other clubs play in Paisley. The upcoming home games against Aberdeen and The Rangers highlight a huge difference in the message being sent out to the St. Mirren support. On the one hand, there are the family events to take place prior to the Aberdeen game to try and encourage Families, Schools and Youth Groups to attend the Stadium and see the experience as something more than just a game of football over 90 minutes. Then, just one week later, you ask those same Fans, Families, and potentially new Supporters to vacate the Family Stand, and if they wish to attend the match against The Rangers, more than likely have to take seats at either end of the Main Stand where fewest season tickets are taken up, and be in close proximity to all the things you claim you will not tolerate from your own support in the Family Stand. That is senseless and also dis-respectful of those fans. On behalf of some, if not the majority of Saints, I would request that you re-consider your current stance on this issue. Somewhere along the line, factors other than financial benefit have to be considered. Is tainting the match-day experience, sending out conflicting signals by condoning one rule for us and disregard of the rules by them, really the long-term solution to building the fan-base, and therefore the future strength and wealth of the club? Have any options been considered? What about offering far flung Buddies or even existing Season Ticket holders the chance to buy a 3 match season ticket for these games, and let them nominate schools, youth groups or family members to attend on their behalf. Buddies crowd-funding around the World to buy up the tickets and a Panda Bear, to sit in their seat? Just anything rather than the current situation – PLEASE! The on-going situations at Kilmarnock and Aberdeen, and indeed between the 2 Glasgow clubs curtailing each others opposing support numbers, is a fairly poignant indicator of the way forward in my opinion. Finally, I would request that the board release the working figures used for the plan to go ahead and allocate the Family Stand to the Old Firm, including details of the increased policing and stewarding costs. I would also like to ask for clarification on the position if say, Hearts, Hibs or Aberdeen become season long Title Challengers and started to regularly take 3000 or 4000 away supports to games. Would you then apply the same reasoning and implementation in that scenario?
    20 points
  2. mattman

    Club Website

    Thats it season tickets cancelled
    10 points
  3. div

    Club Website

    There has been six news articles added between yesterday and today, what level of update it is you are looking for?
    8 points
  4. Tommy

    Welcome Greg Tansey

    For my 2p worth, Greig has MESH surgery to fix his hernia while at the Dons. It wasn't a success and afaik, he hasn't had an other one to try and fixed it. I know this because my wife and him shared some e-mails between themselves about MESH failures. He was to meet my wife at the Scottish Parliament for a chronic pain committee meeting, but the health minister cancelled her attendance, so Greig decided not to attend. In my opinion, MESH surgery in any part of the body is a high risk due to the high level of failures, and is almost impossible to fix 2nd time round. Greg is taking legal advice against the clinic that put the MESH in and I certainly hope it is successful.
    7 points
  5. Lord Pityme

    Club Website

    Please Div can it show more signings, and earlier in the transfer window?
    5 points
  6. Tommy

    Club Website

    He is talking about the now, no 30 years ago
    5 points
  7. We wouldve been relegated last season if we never gave the bigots the stand. Do you think we wouldve survived without Hladky & Popescu in the team? Unfortunately that's why we need to do it
    5 points
  8. Maybe im alone on this going by Saturdays performance I would say we are capable of taking something from this game. Would be great to get a decent left back in this week. I can only go on highlights from Buddie vision was very impressed when we went forward it was with numbers and shape rather than one or two up front. Jim Goodwin and the players are going to give us an exciting season.
    5 points
  9. stevie-dee

    Club Website

    I noticed on the club website that the squad from last season is still posted. As a premier league team the club website is a bit of a mess. I also noticed on the first team squad that Djorkkaeff is listed in both the striker and the midfielder sections, are they trying to make the squad seem larger. the club Could do better at communicating in all departments.
    4 points
  10. After the promising start on Saturday (albeit a losing one) I've decided to part with the extra hard earned and come over for the Dons match after all. It better be f*cking worth it.
    4 points
  11. I agree, but Aberdeen's strike force is more potent than Hibs. We'll need to try and keep our defence water tight. We definitely should try and take the game to them. No point in sitting back.
    4 points
  12. Totally agree 100% with this, Great post Sally, The atmosphere is getting worse every season with these fans and I believe its only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan with this decision, having them at both ends of our stadium is surely asking for trouble, and it wont take much to start it, The safety and matchday experience of our fans should be the boards priority not making a quick buck..... and long term [ IMO ] it financially damages our club,
    4 points
  13. How many saints fans would be happy to pay for 1 seat per season, even if they do not attend, to keep this mob out? The empty family stand seats could then be gifted to youth groups or tickets distributed via social initiatives (bear in mind many of those seats are sold as family stand seats anyway). I'd be happy to fork out for that once or even twice per year.
    4 points
  14. Should be endorsed by Smisa,ie the members should all indicate they back this letter
    4 points
  15. As Bazil says, the argument has been discussed to death on this forum. We have those who are resolute (me included) in their belief that St Mirren FC should not be giving over the family stand to either of the 2 Glasgow teams as the shenanigans of them & the inconvenience to our own supporters is not worth it etc etc etc. We have those who are resolute (Bazil included) in their belief that St Mirren should be giving over the family stand to both of the 2 Glasgow teams as the suggested additional revenue, their shenanigans and the inconvenience to our own supporters is worth it. We can discuss it to death again if it's posted on here but the letter needs to be sent to The Secretary of St Mirren FC for to be brought to the attention of the St Mirren BoD officially to have any chance of getting a rethink/response from St Mirren FC. Unfortunately, I think it will take a lot more than 1 letter to apply significant enough pressure on the BOD to encourage a rethink on this debateable money spinning strategy. good luck with it.
    4 points
  16. 4 points
  17. Feel sorry for the guy but if we're looking at it from a St Mirren point of view, we helped him out when we gave him a contract, Aberdeen sold us player who was injury prone and wanted rid. The reaction from the boy himself tells you everything....St Mirren took a chance on him but it didn't work, it's a real shame and it's no-one's fault.
    4 points
  18. And continuing... Obviously we'll judge him on the park, but it's great when players just get it, isn't it?
    4 points
  19. I’ve always assumed he called himself Wendy Saints as in “oh Wendy Saints, go marching in”.
    4 points
  20. div

    Club Website

    The ticketing website is fucking mental mate.
    3 points
  21. "The players need time to gel" - aye we know we've seen the hairdos.
    3 points
  22. To be honest my pony-tail days are nearing an end it's getting to the Francis Rossi stage - it's just that not all of my personalities agree on this.
    3 points
  23. div

    Club Website

    This is a problem, as IE is long since end of life and does not play nicely with modern web technologies. I appreciate that some businesses are tied to using IE because of old applications that only work with that, but there's really no reason to be using such an outdated browser other than that. Microsoft Edge is the successor to IE and is very fast, stable and will cure all your issues if you can upgrade to it (and preserve your bookmarks and favs). Or likes of Google Chrome and Firefox are also very good modern browsers. All free, all very easy to get and install. If you're using IE you must have some issues on other websites over and above St.Mirren. This one for example!
    3 points
  24. Wilbur

    Club Website

    I think I spend enough every year on my season ticket and other various St Mirren-related merchandise, etc. So I'm sometimes (perhaps miserably) pissed off at the number of items I can't access because I don't subscribe to Buddievision. Meant as an observation rather than a criticism.
    3 points
  25. I find it unsurprising this is your thoughts exactly. In saying that. I see the merits in a bigot free league. I actually think the problem lies with the custodians of our game. They refuse to see the detrimental effect this hatred has on our game and can't see past the short term money grabbing. I would love to see it change but it will take one almighty shove. One even greater than the one which prevented a brand new club being shoehorned into the top division.
    3 points
  26. BuddieinEK

    Club Website

    Div... On the home page, when I click on the Buddievision banner, it takes me to the log in or sign up page... but I cannot access any of the features such as interviews from there. To access Buddievision interviews, I need to scroll through the news section to find them one by one. Can they not be directly accessed via the shiny red Buddievision link?
    3 points
  27. Well said Sally! This ain't going away i've said it many times.
    3 points
  28. div

    Club Website

    The first team squad picture for season 19-20 hasn't been taken yet. If Djorkaeff is listed as a midfielder and a striker it's because he can play in midfield or up front. In what way does the Official Website fail with communication?
    3 points
  29. 3 points
  30. I live in London but I'd buy a season ticket for the family stand if it meant we didn't give the family stand to any team. Unfortunately, the pricing structures were released with giving up the family stand, No challenge was set to the support (like it was with W7 not to segregate the west stand) to not give up the family stand.
    3 points
  31. Yes, I think there is Bazil - it is only going to deter potential growth in the support so should be addressed now! Side note:- Yes, & Kilmarnock have filled W6/W7, and if any of the three clubs stated were above the ugly sisters at the turn of the year, yes it would be a possible scenario.
    3 points
  32. Fair enough Just pointing out we do have a thread that's already open and I'm not seeing anything in it that's new. I am not surprised this topic has ramped up again in light of the weekend & the upcoming Sevco game but I don't personally think this adds any value. Of course absolutely fine to start a new thread & see if any new grounds comes up, see what happens. I do also think people need to take these board posts with a pinch of salt. There's no evidence a majority of SMFC fans are opposed to this arrangement.
    3 points
  33. It’s “you’re welcome” you fool!
    3 points
  34. Aye: that result could have happened to pretty much anyone, but I'm really f**king glad it wasn't us.
    3 points
  35. You love Sevco, Celtic and their fans ye condoning bigot. Why a new thread when there are plenty similar available. What do your sectarian condoning friends do about their fellow bigot fans ?
    3 points
  36. Because in general, a large number of people are just genuinely stupid. If you want to see more evidence of that you should try out the Bears Den forum where they are discussing the collapse of the wheelchair roof at Killie and the consequent injury to a disabled supporter. Most posters believe it's all overblown nonsense. Several posters are saying that the people who are "whining" about it are worse than those who caused the collapse. Another poster with some mental health issues was called an attention seeking nutjob or words to that effect. If you don't grow up and live amongst these types of people it is too easy to think that most people are normal and decent. Unfortunately these idiots are everywhere.
    3 points
  37. Jobbee, Rick and Zzzzzzweeper07 are a fecking weird trolling trio.
    3 points
  38. There are things that happened over the close season that I didn't particularly like , but I don't really see the point in dwelling on them. From what I witnessed yesterday there could be some good times ahead, so for me its probably best to look forward rather than backwards.
    3 points
  39. You'll see the pattern here, you point our he's a fool, he trolls you all over the forum, using the same old tired drivel to hide his limitations. Simples, like him. Can't even use the quote function properly. 🤡 #weeman, IQ, nappies etc
    2 points
  40. That's a dilemma, if in doubt, go for both.
    2 points
  41. My thoughts exactly. Both scum Clubs have got to be booted tae feck out. It's the only way ahead for Scottish Football. St Mirren and all other Clubs should hang their heads in shame for... SEVCO All Clubs , Authorities and Media complicit in keeping this HELL going. They all had the chance to cleanse our beautiful game when sectarian cnuts died. They fecking blew it. Greedy arseholes.
    2 points
  42. div

    Club Website

    No need to be sorry! As I say, I don't have anything to do with the day to day updates, that is all managed by the club. It's updated pretty much every single day so in my view they do a great job. What I am interested in is how easy the site is to use, is the layout ok, what would you like to see change etc......
    2 points
  43. ^^^ This indeed. Although our defence in general was decent on Saturday, there were moments when we were badly exposed. MacPherson beaten to the bye-line, MacKenzie near the end got waltzed past and Hibs should have had a 2nd from it, and a number of chances Hibs blew after waltzing away from defenders and midfielders... Yes we had chances too, but they were mainly from distance, and I cannot remember any clean cut glaring chances we missed. Obika's at the end was a tough ball to direct with a defender all over him... But Aberdeen are a level up on that and are further on in their season having played preliminary rounds in Europe, where they had to be up and running because of what was at stake for them. Would love us to have a really decent LB in and a more lethal and fully fit striker in for this one. Although Obika might prove decent over the season, I am not sure he is up to speed yet... Hopefully McKenna will be away or dropped for wanting a transfer in time for our match... Need to keep Cosgrove, Ferguson, Ojo and Leigh quiet too... and the lad Hedges looked decent when he came on as well... But looks like space for Durmus to star on the LW for us... and our LM should win that battle too..
    2 points
  44. So define "animals" please- any species in particular ? Would make more sense for all animals to retort - "stop acting like a human"
    2 points
  45. Also more chance of them getting a few injuries as well, nothing serious, just for 3 days will do me.
    2 points
  46. Until the authorities come down hard on bigotry nothing will change. It needs the Scottish Parliament, Police , Faith leaders to come together. Law changes that ban any type of bigotry. Should also be brought into education from an early age right through to leaving school regarding religious tolerance. Any type of religious marches band.
    2 points
  47. Totally agree, give them one stand. But I for one would never take my boy to an old firm game at home because of their behavior and I'm sure plenty others do.
    2 points
  48. It’s “too” many syllables you fool
    2 points
  49. Maybe spelling the little girls name correctly would have been more respectful?
    2 points
  50. FFS. Criiiiinge. Today's job for you - remove your nose from McG's arse.
    2 points
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