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Ah fair enough!
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Craig Samson is out of contract having only managed a handful of games for Motherwell last season....
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The counter on the website is updated manually - so whilst there were 20 sign ups during the meeting, they won't be added to the counter until that's done
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Me personally, I don't want anything. All I want is to play my part in giving the club I love to the people who I hope will always keep its best interests at heart. I already have my 10 shares, my brick in the wall and will more than likely still be a season ticket holder in 10 years. For me doing my bit is enough.
However I was talking to my brother about it a couple of weeks ago. He is a saints fan but isn't a share holder and doesn't go week in week out. A tenner a month wouldn't be a struggle for him but I found it hard to explain to him why he would want to do it, even though I'm a believer that it is a great way forward.
Some sort of recognition may encourage some people. For example if you pay £12 per month for 10 years you become and honoury member? Or you get a name on a board or in a book in the stadium as a someone who helped bring the club to the people. Maybe a I bought the buds certificate or something.
I know things like these cost money but it gives people (who aren't as close to the club or SMISA) a feeling that they are buying into something.
The guys who signed up for the bar, get their names on a board, they get a private drinking bar and a parking space, yet guys joining SMISA could help put the club into a safe ownership but get no credit for it. As I say safe ownership is enough for me but might not be enough for some others to part with their cash.
The Smisa website says there will be some form of recognition in the main stand for the fans who back the bid.
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The first point is not technically correct. The board decide but obviously the membership decide the board.
Not a condition of SD membership as such but is a condition of being a trust either a CBS or IPS which then allows you membership of SD .
Well it depends how you interpret the wording. The board sets the subscription rate and a change to that rate is (arguably) a change to the society's rules - although I get where you are coming from. And as you point out - if the members are unhappy at the decision, they can easily vote to replace the board.
The second point is really more crucial - ultimately if 'future smisa board' decided to set the membership fee at a rate that was deliberately prohibitive, they would be in breach of their own rules, the spirit of SD more importantly, the laws governing CBSs.
I think we agree - its pretty unlikely.
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Two quick points:Relax BC, not a member YET.
Just trying to look at the future after we/us/who knows have paid the 10 years of £12 monthly installments.
If somehow some folk who turn out not to be working in the best interests of all, hike up the amount that's needed to be members to a level that only a few of them can afford. They could take control of the shareholding that SMiSA holds. Leaving those that have paid in for all those years with SFA.
Possibly an extreme example but is a possibility if I've read the constitution correctly.
1 - The trust is one member one vote - the membership fee is decided by the membership - so the scenario you describe could only happen if the members voted for it.
2 - the constitution of the trust (and I believe a condition of being part of SD) is that membership has to be 'affordable' and open to all. Whilst this is a bit subjective, ultimately it would protect against the situation you describe.
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further info:
SMISA is today launching our #BuyTheBuds campaign, meaning St Mirren fans now have the chance to make sure our club can stay forever in the hands of the people who will care for it most...you, the fans.
If the bid is successful, it will see Gordon Scott become the next chairman of the club and SMISA get a director on the board - with the option of majority fan ownership within the next ten years
But if can only happen if the fans come up with the money. That is why SMISA is launching the #BuyTheBuds fundraising campaign this weekend, with full details on our relaunched website now..
You are also reminded of our public meeting tomorrow at 12:30pm (after the SMISA AGM at 12) in The Wynd Centre, School Wynd, Paisley, where Gordon and the SMISA committee will be taking questions on the bid.
The next few weeks are a chance for us all to come together and seize our chance to write the next chapter in the history of our great club together.
Read on to find out more now www.smisa.net
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Update from SMISA:
BID FOR THE CLUB - PUBLIC MEETING ON SATURDAY
As you will already know, there has been major progress of late on our joint bid with former St Mirren director Gordon Scott for the majority shareholding in St Mirren.
As a result of that we are holding a public meeting on Saturday at 12:30pm in the Wynd Centre, School Wind, Paisley.
Existing SMISA members are being asked to come along at noon for the trust's AGM, where we will deal with routine trust business.
Non-Members should join us at 12:30pm for a presentation and Q&A on the bid, where you can put your questions to Gordon and the SMISA committee.
Be aware capacity in the venue will be limited, so in the event of exceptional demand, entry will be first come, first served. See you there!
More details on the NEW LOOK SMISA WEBSITE!!!! www.smisa.net
#BuyTheBuds
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League game no.25. Could be time for Gow to make an impact.
just in time to win himself a new deal
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could be david preece?
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Alex Rae's view wasn't that he didn't want to play passing football or a passing game (both he and DF said they wanted to play good football, but wanted to be winners first and foremost), I think its more that he just feels there is limited value in teaching youth players to 'dink' it out from the goalie to the full back, who then 'dinks' it to the centre half, because once these youth players start playing senior games, they won't get away with that - if that's all your youth players know, they will get slaughtered in the senior game, and their confidence will get destroyed. I think he means he wants a balanced style of play, passing, but not passing for the sake of it, because that will usually get you into difficulties.
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Damn i knew there was another question that should have been asked.
AR did say at one point he always wore a short sleeved shirt growing up so no-one could call him a Jessie....so I think the coloured boots have had their day at the Paisley 2021 stadium.....
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Tumbleweed in here.
Should have been broadcast to the wider support who cant get to Paisley on a mid-week night.......
Will be broadcast in St Mirren TV
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Released by Sheffield Wednesday, would you take him back?
Released by Sheff Utd!
Yeah I'd take him, but would be after too much money I think.
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SMiSA may want to plug this a bit more - I know folk who don't use this site or social media and had no idea there was a Q&A next week until I told them.
Hopefully have something in the local press over next couple of days
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In his first spell in charge he took over a declining team but it was David Hay who got us relegated in 91/92 and we were mid table when he was sacked after a couple of poor results in Dec 97 - and for the bulk of that second spell he worked without an assistant to help the club. He wasn't a great manager, probably not even a good one, but he left Saints pretty much where he found them after both of his spells in charge. As a manager he was distinctly average - maybe not the best testimony but there it is.
His top priority must be to regrow that magnificent pornstar's moustache.
to be fair, in '96 he wasn't supposed to get it, he jumped in because the board had called a press conference to announce the new manager and Iain Munro then told them he wasn't coming after all! Tony got the gig at 5 minutes notice, to bail the club out. (at least that's how I remember it!!)
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Cn you advise when the AGM was?
http://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php/topic/39432-smisa-agm-4th-april/
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Nice words, i am a member and have been told the square root of feck all. Expansion of the comittee? Again, news to me. Although I fund SMISA for reasons of youth development, it is starting to look like just another one of those clubs/committees that become more about the clique in charge than about the total membership.
None of the above is a surprise to me knowing one or two who are involved though.
Though knowing some of the committee, that is not a total surprise to me
The new committee members were voted on at the AGM - all members were invited and SMISA issued a report to all members, on here and on the SMISA website advising of the outcome of the AGM.
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I have been told Gordon is not involved but Smisa are.I have also been told that there has over the years been loads of people *interested* but nobody has put their money where their mouth is.As stated previously i have no reason to doubt that the club is very close to being sold and also that we will have another player in this week.To my fellow Saints fans who i informed that Farrell would be in by Monday i failed to say which Monday but he did arrive.Patience peeps.
This is not correct.
SMISA are working with Gordon on a bid. They are not involved in any other bid for the club.
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Looking forward to this!
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Waiting to move players on maybe?
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Oi! that's enough of that!
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So the consortium are 'just looking for their money back'.
While I can understand that, is it realistic? Surely it should be a case of reconciling themselves to accepting the best offer that is made over a reasonable period of time (six years and counting....).
It sounds clichéd, but it is nonetheless true that their shares are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them, and there is every chance that this will not match what they feel they are due. In the meantime, the club has a malaise that can only be depreciating it's value with each passing day.
Of course, it is their prerogative to hold out, but they also have a responsibility to both shareholders and supporters of the club. They are the current custodians, and also have to do the right thing by the club, no?
There are not many people who get involved in football and get their money back, I'd say....
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Don't suppose anyone has a link...
Would love to read this...
GARY TEALE, the former St Mirren manager, has accused the club of lacking ambition in the wake of their latest managerial casualty, while urging them to back the next man charged with turning their fortunes around.
Ian Murray was the fourth head coach in the space of two years to leave Paisley, the 34-year-old falling on his sword following a 1-0 defeat away to his old club Dumbarton that leaves them four points off the foot of the Ladbrokes Championship table.
It was a tenure that didn’t even last seven months as only two league wins from a possible 16 led their manager to walk away from the position that was previously held by Teale.
The ex-Scotland winger had hoped that he would be chosen to remain in the position before the club’s board decided to go in a different direction with Murray. Now those in charge at St Mirren must begin their search once more of finding the right candidate to deliver a team on the pitch that will deliver the success they seek and return them to the top flight at the first time of asking. And as they start that familiar process once more, Teale has urged them to choose wisely and give their new man the support to thrive in the job.
“Ideally as a manager you always want money available for your player recruitment. I learned that very, very quickly,” the 37-year-old told HeraldSport.
“You take the job knowing how much finance is there for you so you can’t complain too much, but I don’t think the club, in terms of them trying to sell it, have that much ambition to try and progress forward really.”
Relating to his own experience of the club supporting him during his spell as caretaker boss, Teale explained: “It wasn’t in terms of money it was just really Kenny McLean. When you sell your best player and top goal scorer in January – who is still your top scorer at the end of the season – who is now performing at Aberdeen, I think everyone understands what I had to work under.
“You also had Ross County and Motherwell to who were strengthening their squads.
“If we had kept Kenny we might have ended up closer. In the end we were only six points off a play-off place. Having more money would have been great, but that one alone I think would have given us a better opportunity.”
Teale refused to be drawn on questions regarding what has gone wrong under Murray, respectfully stating that it was not his position to comment. However, the former Scotland manager cannot help but wonder what might have been if he had still been in charge.
While he will be credited as the manager who went down with the St Mirren ship last season, a lot of damage was done by the time the former Wigan man inherited Tommy Craig’s team this time last year that left the rookie caretaker coach with an uphill task.
“You never know for certain,” he said.
“From a personal point of view, you feel as if you might have been able to make a difference. You can’t say that it would have definitely happened, but I felt that having been in the job five or six months I knew what the club had to do going forward.
“In the end Ian came in with maybe fresh ideas, having to get to know the players and the place. I thought I may have been a little bit ahead in that sense, but there’s nothing written in stone to say I’d have been a success. You just need to trust your own beliefs that you could have made a difference.”
Teale has yet to find a way back into the game since he left Paisley at the end of last season, and the former St Mirren man insists he would not rule out a return if an opportunity ever presented itself.
But no matter who the next man is to take charge on a permanent basis, whether young or old, experienced or not, stability is the key to getting St Mirren back to where he and those around the club believe it should be.
Teale said: “It’s a hard one because I enjoyed my time at the club. I’d have loved to have been in that position. I think I would have progressed it forward because I had an understanding of where it needed to go, but they chose to go in another direction.
“Now they look like they need to try something else again. I think they need a bit of stability and give a bit of time to whoever is in charge, and a bit of backing as well.
“I don’t think there are a million things wrong. Sitting here as a young manager, you need an opportunity. Experience is good but youth brings a lot of enthusiasm and some fresh ideas.
“Ultimately they just need to get things right and put a structure in place. You have to have a plan and know how you are going to do it, whether it’s a young manager or an experienced one.”
Member's October Update
in SMiSA
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To be absolutely fair, that is not how it is written in the actual document - http://smisa.net/images/docs/election2016/Job_description_v1.pdf
For avoidance of doubt, the document also states:
"The successful candidate will [...] Be a SMISA member and be passionate about St Mirren and the community around it."
and:
"No specific qualifications are necessary for the position."