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Ross has to get the window to at least try and get his own players in .. the chairman said this wasn't a short term appointment so his credibility is at stake here too.
Today was dire, totally dire but a manager should at least get the opportunity to bring players in who he sees fits how he wants to play etc.
with money being in short supply I don't hold out much hope but sacking Ross isn't the answer .. in my opinion , we look doomed anyway
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Just now, shull said:
Hippolyte's first roll after going down should have been a yellow.
His second roll , another yellow followed by red.
I do not want any St Mirren player to act like that disgraceful cheating cnut or like Miller.
very moral of you Shull but back in the real world Falkirk took 3 points today and we are 10 adrift.
Professionals need to wisen up and realise that teams wont just give us wins
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Just now, shull said:
I said the boy was stupid and not everyone should get a break.
Cheating morons like Hipposhyte and Miller seemed to be getting away with quite a lot.
Hopefully Jack will be able to control his frustrations from now on.
Glad I gave you a laugh.
you usually do
There will always be pros trying to get an advantage ...the trick is to be 'professional', score goals and walk away with three points.
My point is that you seem awfully keen just to dismiss it as a 'silly boy' moment....moments like that will take us down and we cant afford them
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24 minutes ago, shull said:
A stupid boy.
Punched a Person once.
Miller has been a cheating moron his whole career.
Love to know why Jack did it.
who gives a monkeys why he did it? 1-0 up and getting sent off for punching is amateur hour for anyone.
I know you very rarely post anything serious but to deflect away from an incident that cost us the game just to have a rant at Miller is laughable even by your standards.
4 points out of 42 and you are saying 'give everyone a break' ..... aye, good yin Shull
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Going to be a long second half
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Get a few goals tonight and try and kick on . Ross was right , you won't get any real credit regardless so get through it with no injuries and try to get some momentum for the next game
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47 minutes ago, Loyal Supporter said:
Because someone was giving Fowler pelters for placing an add for players out of contract on line . My point is that the guy is at least taking responsibility for his job and using his initiative . If GS had done the same then the match may have been on tomorrow.
I started the thread about that and I stand by my opinion .. I also think the BOD should get it in the neck for this .. I just don't think the two things are related that's all
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3 minutes ago, Loyal Supporter said:
I agree , even if it was mentioned in The accounts it should have been repaired . Who's job is it to get this done ? Jack Ross ? Fowler ? The lady who serves the tea in board room ? No this surely is a Board problem and GS has to explain this mess to us . He knows full well that he will require a lot of money soon and he's just not coming forward and being honest . Fowler was getting pelters for putting adds up for players !!! THE GUY IS SHOWING SOME INITIATIVE AND TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS JOB REMIT WHICH INVOLVES SINGNING PLAYERS . Why is he getting stick and GS walks away again free of any criticism ?
I think GS and the BOD are getting stick on this thread are they not ?
Not sure what this has got to do with the fowler issue ?
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51 minutes ago, Kendo said:
The bottom line is it doesn't matter who's to blame, shifting the blame around doesn't help anyone.
Our new owners don't have their problems to seek, they need the backing of the fans to help get through to the other side. Sitting on the sidelines bitching about it won't help anyone.
But surely folk are entitled to voice their concerns ?
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5 minutes ago, Soctty said:
Agreed. It's understandable sacking a manager when you realise it's just not working and you've maybe made a mistake, but sacking 4 in a row in that way shows the problem lies deeper. I'm hoping with the new board in place, with their man in place, they will get behind him and stay behind him through thick and thin. No more panic sackings. Not this season anyway... ;)
Absolutely , sacking Ross would be mental given the rhetoric from the chairman. He's in post now so he needs backing
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23 hours ago, Soctty said:
Craig - 6 months. Teale - 6 months. Murray - 6 months. Rae - 9 months.
Another thing that isn't rocket science is that giving a manager 6 months to fix something that is in decline won't get any results. One manager is left with the last manager's failing players.
At some stage we have to keep faith with a manager. I could go into a diatribe about how we deserve this for our treatment of Danny Lennon, just as we might have deserved what we got 25 years earlier for our treatment of Alex Smith, but I'll give it a miss.
In short, get behind the manager, all pull in the same direction, support the club, and maybe we might achieve something.
Totally agree but it shows you just how many clubs appoint managers with long term ambitions only to panic when things get tough ..even after a few months
the fans (and players obviously) have a huge part to play in keeping folk in post
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I think all fans can be irrational at times .. we call for managers to get jobs or players to play for a variety of reasons and then call for them to go or to get dropped when it's not going so well.
Everything hinges on results not just in terms of the security of the manager but the general feeling around the club, so everyone is more likely to be a bit more relaxed when things are positive on the pitch
once things go a bit Pete tong then everyone gets a bit irrational .. not just fans but boards and owners as well
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2 hours ago, stlucifer said:
What's the issue here? Seriously. Just because a "seasoned pro" answers doesn't automatically mean they'll get a gig. Casting the net just means you have a choice whether to feast on the fish or throw it back.
Like I've said before .. if we get a player who adds value to our squad through a LinkedIn advert I'll be proved wrong . .. personally I think this is amateur .. others don't .. but what it definitely does do is show where we are as a club currently
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1 minute ago, Soctty said:
Or, they do have a strategy, but the club doesn't possess the players they require, or the tools to acquire the players they require. Rather than bemoan this, they are using whatever means possible to assess which players are available, before seeing if they can do a job for us and fit into their vision.
They could just sit on their arse and blame the club for not signing the players they would like us to, I suppose.
The incessant negativity is understandable, given our position. The hunger to treat every single thing the club or its employees do as a negative is bizarre.
Like I say , I've never posted anything negative on this forum before but I see this as amateur and a reflection of how far we have fallen .. that's my opinion , I'm entitled to it as are you to yours
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29 minutes ago, Soctty said:
Sorry - I didn't know you were in the game, and had indepth knowledge of what managers know about players and what tools they use at our level of the game.
Tell us more about how managers go about their business - we're all ears...
Ok so John hughes , Billy Davies or Jimmy Calderwood and the like would arrive at Greenhill Road and have no idea of players , positions , who can come in and targets etc ?
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2 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
yes linkedn is a professional contact, recruiting tool, what beggars belief is that we just recruited a manager and asst, who presumably impressed with how their strategy, vision and belief aligned with the club's.
Only to find out a few weeks later they actually dont have a strategy, list of contacts or vision as they have been reduced to using the online 'Free Ads' in desperation to find players to replace the loanees it now seems clear who are going back to parent clubs. Wonder how motivated said loanees will be between now and January?
and what state our squad will be in when they go back Jan 1st, and every Tom,Dick and Has-Been on Linkedn uses us, and the WHOLE month of January as a bargaing chip to get a better gig?
Pretty much my point .. some of the replies to Fowler on LinkedIn sum up why I think it's depressing
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28 minutes ago, Sonny said:
Rubbish. If they did there would be no need for agents. I think your consternation about asking in a professional capacity for new staff (that's what Linkedin is), says more about you that Fowler.
This isn't recruiting a new business development manager or an engineer .. this is about a manager knowing his market and if you think a player found through LinkedIn will improve our situation then I hope I'm wrong and this is a master stroke ... I very much doubt it
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5 minutes ago, Sonny said:
You expect them to know every single player in all Leagues in England, Wales and Ireland as well as Scotland who may be available and within our price range? Get real.
This may be a shock to you but Managers who are in the game and have contacts do exactly that ... otherwise they would all be on LinkedIn and it wouldn't be 'innovative'
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Just now, Soctty said:
How does this make them look inexperienced in realising what we need and who can fit in? Can't see that logic.
Fowler is merely utilising a tool at his disposal. He has over 500 professional contacts on Linkedin, which I would say is a good spread of contacts who will see what he posts. Jack Ross wasn't watching St Mirren when he was managing Alloa - how is he to realise where we are weak? He has given everyone a chance to play, and is getting an idea of who is good enough for him and who is not. He will no doubt know what positions he needs players in, but will be open to any player coming in who is better than what we have.
People want Ross and Fowler to use their contacts to get players, then moan when they use their contacts to get players...
So you are seriously telling me that a manager who is considering taking over a new club doesn't have them watched or analyse the club from top to bottom ?? Really ? Ross along with other folk in the game (including folk on here) knew that Rae's jacket was on a shaky peg early doors and they would have , if they hadn't done already, started their homework. To suggest Ross knew nothing about St Mirrens squad is at best naive
so at the interview he just says 'oh I haven't seen much of St Mirren this season so I'll just pick it up as I go along' come on
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1 minute ago, Soctty said:
Normally, at a club, it's the scouting department who help the management team identify what players are available. We don't have a scouting department. This is innovative from Fowler, as it will hopefully be seen by agents and scouts over the UK who can assist the club in finding the players they want, or at least finding players the club can take a look at. The alternative is probably to sit on our hands and wait for people to contact us offering us players.
I'm pretty sure the management team are also pursuing other avenues. I'm not sure why people are so desperate to look on things negatively all the time.
I've been supportive of them and never post anything negative but I'm depressed at this as it shows exactly where we are at this time. That word 'innovative' is mentioned again ... it's not innovation .. it's an admittance that , regardless of a scouting network being in place or not , Ross and Fowler (in my opinion) look very inexperienced in realising what we need and who can fit in. I'll say it again .. I hope they prove me wrong but I'd have expected a new team to come in , realise where we are weak before taking the job and identify targets .. this looks desperate to me
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30 minutes ago, Sonny said:
Surely finding a decent player by any means is better than you feeling embarrassed?
Decent player ? Should the management team not have a fair idea who the 'decent' players are?
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53 minutes ago, zurich_allan said:
I am genuinely perplexed at why anybody would view this as a bad thing. LinkedIn is not like Facebook or Twitter, it is a professional and recruitment focussed network. On James Fowler's direct network there will be contacts who are agents, players, coaches and others with direct links to clubs and the game in general. This is nothing like sticking an advert on Gumtree or similar. Professional recruiters and organisations use LinkedIn as part of their strategy. I've been approached twice through the platform, about two years ago by the Law Society of Scotland, and bizarrely 3 days ago by a University in Australia inviting me to apply for a position with them that they've matched my skills to.
As others have pointed out, multinational companies use LinkedIn for these purposes.
There is nothing to criticise.I disagree .. this just shows exactly where we are right now as a club
everyone is entitled to an opinion but to me , this just highlights a lack of contacts and awareness across the country.
I hope they prove me wrong but I'm not convinced that this 'advert' will throw up anything they shouldn't already know
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48 minutes ago, shull said:
Nothing wrong with Linkedin.
I am on it.
I possess black football boots.
I am waiting.
The contact details are there Shull .. fire in a reply .. if you're on a free
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1 hour ago, Buddy Marvellous said:
Well you are right about one thing, this isn't about finding established world class players like Messi or Bojan, they have world wide TV networks that show off their talents.
The fact you keep going on about an ad to find a UK journeyman shows how narrow minded you are about this. This is about throwing the net wider than the UK and alerting players scouts and agents in USA, Canada, Australia and every other country in between. These are places we could find another Dorman or Goncalves.
Throwing the net wider ? You say I'm being narrow minded but at least I can read .. his ad said U.K. based senior pros on a free .. this isn't about worldwide scouting .. at least read the original post eh ?
Jack Ross Must Go.
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I came off the forum after being touted as a fullarton plant (giving honest opinions I thought)...but popped my head in after yesterday to see the reaction
Anyone who wants JR binned just now needs to give their head a wobble. I criticised the 'linkedin' recruitment ad...and I still do ...and havent been blown away by the summer signings so far...but they are HIS signings and this will be HIS team shortly so let him get judged on that. Its far too early in the season to go mental.
Ross has shown that he cant talk well and clearly isnt a dafty and has shown that he can put a team out that can compete ,that previously weren't.
Any manager will live and die by his signings whether its staff or players and JR is no different.
I think the guy will get it right ...and if he doesnt then results will dictate whether he stays...thats just football I'm afraid