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Just now, nedflanders123 said:
I never understand this 'meaningless game' mantra. Every league will have games that don't involve winning the league, gaining a euro slot or bring relegated. All the top leagues with more teams than ours have games with little to play for other than for points. I don't hear many saying the EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga and other top leagues should be reduced because some games have little to play for.
The EPL has 6 European places and 3 relegation places. 9 positions to fight for, nearly half the league.
Also nobody is saying every league doesn't have meaningless games but in our situation if you increase the number of teams you will increase the number of meaningless games.
The leagues are fine at the moment. Tinkering about with the format isn't going to bring the crowds back and revolutionise Scottish football. The problems we have lie elsewhere.
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13 minutes ago, W6er said:
I understand the point you're making, but I think the benefits outweigh the negative outcome you've identified.
What do you see the main benefits being of 3 leagues of 14?
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Just now, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:
Thank you for stating the obvious as things stand. I never disputed that.
I asked why increasing the league size LESSENED the chances of another team winning the league. If anything it increases it in my opinion.
My point was more about the other leagues than the Premier League.
At the moment 4 teams in Scotland experience winning a league every year. With this new suggested format it would go down to 3.
The old firm will still be winning the premier league no matter what
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11 minutes ago, W6er said:
Anything that means fewer opportunities for teams to win league titles is a bad move IMO.
Scottish football and the domestic trophies are already dominated by
two teamsone team. More teams should have the opportunity to win titles - not less. As I've said before, the three best seasons I've had supporting St Mirren have been the 3 we have won the 1st division. Nothing else comes close. Fewer leagues and fewer teams winning titles every year isn't a good thing. -
With it looking unlikely any football is going to be played this year surely that brings finishing the season at some point back to the table.
The main reason for not finishing the season was that it would have a knock on effect into next year and delay TV deals and European qualification etc for next season.
If next season is essentially cancelled then we should be looking at finishing this season now. Maybe calling the leagues was premature after all.
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5 hours ago, lenziebud said:
I'm interested in your views on why the pyramid has issues, not having a go, just interested.
For me its a positive as I see increased investment in the top junior clubs already and the professionalism has stepped up hugely since the Ayrshire and Centel were merged.
I think the pyramid will be a success with clubs like Clydebank, Kilwinning etc all going for it in a big way. The current South of Scotland and East of Scotland leagues have been a big success already and I think the West will be also.
A lot of the Juniors in the premier league get bigger attendances than most league 1 teams. Its exciting being a big fish in a small pond fighting for the title every year and playing in the junior cup every year.
I worry that the novelty of the pyramid will wear off after a few years and the big junior clubs will just blend into the mediocrity of the Scottish lower leagues. As a Largs Thistle fan, I don't look at clubs like Montrose and Stenhousemuir and think "Oh I wish we could be like them".
I've followed Largs Thistle through the years and we are a club similar to St Mirren in the juniors. Kind of a yo-yo team between the premier league and first division with a very decent chance of a cup run every now and again. We obviously have zero chance to getting to the senior Scottish cup final or semis so we wave goodbye to any real cup runs.
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16 minutes ago, lenziebud said:
You seriously think Talbot didn't want matches played, honestly. I went back to Auchinleck earlier on in the season to watch them play Pollok and was hugely impressed with the improvements to the ground since I refereed there !. The pitch was fine btw. Huge amount of Talbot backlog is due to cup.
They are a quality club who are miles ahead as a team of any other in the league and were correctly awarded the league.
Most of the junior teams who have many matches played are playing on astro.
I follow Rob Roy and over the winter period nearly all the home games are off due Cumbernauld pitch being unplayable. Its the same for most junior teams playing on grass.
There are no easy answers to any of this so why don't we just stop picking a scab and move on. No organisation can make a decision on this stuff without escaping abuse and their credibility being questioned. I'm actually sick of reading all the self interest, partisanship and just small minded nonsense being written at all levels of the game.
I'm not saying Talbot didn't want their games on. They had played 9 games less than Kilwinning. You can't seriously think thats all down to the cup. Kilwinning play cup games too.
If you follow Rob Roy you should know that this is the same story with Talbot every year. They always lag far behind in games because their park is so bad. Its not just a one off.
The point is though, having games played has got to count for something. Average points is the most farcical and amateur thing I've ever heard of. Just look round Europe and the rest of the world and see how other leagues are finished. I bet you don't see any of that average points nonsense anywhere else. Which says it all really.
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16 hours ago, lenziebud said:
What do you mean being a dick about it is that not normally your default.
You always come across as being a bit smug and superior ?
Covid-19 has killed independence stone dead and I doubt Sturgeon will hang about much longer.
I'm neither for nor against independence but why do you think COVID has killed it stone dead? 🤔
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5 hours ago, HSS said:
The SJFA decided the titles on average points from games played.Theres not an easy solution but this method seems quite fair to me.
Two major problems with the way they've done that;
1. It attributes absolutely no responsibility to teams for getting games played - Talbot and certain other teams end up way behind on fixtures every year due to the poor quality of the pitch. They have a degree of responsibility to improve this and get the games on. Yes some of this is due to the cup competitions, but not anywhere near all of it.
2. They didn't state a cut off number of games that needed to be played to have counted in the average points method. By that logic you could have essentially played 1 won 1, 100% record and win the league.
From all the ways it could have been done this is the most Mickey Mouse and embarrassing way. You either call it as it stands, vow to play it to a finish at some point or null and void the season. Either of these 3 options would have been reasonable. They have just made a total joke of themselves. I highly doubt we will see the average points method used anywhere else in world football. Embarrassing.
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Its quite fitting that this was the SJFA's last act as an organisation. Total shambles and sums them up.
I'm not 100% sold on the pyramid but one major bonus of it is getting rid of the SJFA.
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3 hours ago, lenziebud said:
Budge will be delighted with that.
She thinks current set up is best hence 1 season change, but if she gets any deal that allows Hearts to remain in the top flight then she will be more than happy.
I think the likely option is long term 14-10-10-10 solution rather than 1 season change.
Hearts should not be relegated under any circumstances with 8 games to play, totally wrong and the same applies to all other clubs affected.
Whats the point of a 14-10-10-10 league then?
Its hardly any difference and doesn't get any of the so called benefits all the people who want a bigger league are looking for?
This solution long term looks like it will please nobody all it will do is dilute the top league prize pot.
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13 hours ago, DougJamie said:
This is the woman who said 42 clubs was double what was required.
I think we need to forget the motivation here and look at the opportunity. The Premiership is too small and we need a wider base. How long have we been discussing this.
Open it up, IMHO to 16 , trial it, and hopefully when and if we get back to some sort of normality, we can then gauge if it is better.
We cant keep this 2 club mentality, its killing our game, stopping development of home grown players …..
Cant stand the woman, but I do hope we see change...……..
What are the benefits of expanding the league?
I don't get why people think this is going to make anything better. The best seasons I've had supporting St Mirren have been the 3 seasons I've seen us win the first division. Nothing else comes close (not even the league cup season). Fewer bigger leagues means fans have fewer opportunities to see their team win titles and increases the number of meaningless games at the same time.
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9 hours ago, TPAFKA Jersey 2 said:
And to be absolutely clear, I am not at all against a 14 team league next season. I’m just against doing it for a season or two for no other reason than to suit Hearts.
It would be very tough for us next season if its only extended for one year.
With United coming up and you'd expect Hearts to get better. It would end up being us, Hamilton, Ross County, Inverness and Livi fighting it out for one guaranteed survival place.
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4 hours ago, Mid Calder Saint said:
In answer to Sonny with whom I usually respect his views how many attend Hamilton against the likes of Ross County Livi or fake Saints in the current format the answer is a little over 1000 if you are lucky no I want a larger league simply because I am fed up playing the same teams five or six times a year if you include cup games I have and always will be a campaigner for a larger league
Playing different teams is such a small benefit of extending the league. What difference to your enjoyment really does it make if it's St Johnstone for the 4th time or Dunfermiline for the 2nd time?
Surely it's far more important that the game is competitive and means something?
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2 hours ago, nedflanders123 said:
There are and have always been games in every league that have no bearing in championship, Europe and relegation. There will always be points to play for, league positioning which brings greater revenue and a chance to blood players into the top team. Every league will have teams safe. Most supporters will still go along and watch their team.
Nobody is saying there are no meaningless games at the moment. The point is that a bigger league means more meaningless games. There's no doubt about that.
The league is good at the moment as no matter where you are in it you are likely competing for something as it could be playoff, relegation, top 6, Europe or the title.
The negatives of growing the league far outweigh the benefits for me.
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3 hours ago, munoz said:
I get what you're saying, but a temporary change to structure just reeks of self interest from Budge & Hearts.
I'm definitely for a bigger league but it has to be for the correct reasons and not just for a couple of seasons.
Theres nothing wrong or surprising with Hearts looking after their own interest. Every club would do the same. In fact Budge as CEO of the company legally needs to do whats best for the company and the shareholders so theres no issue here.
I can't see the other clubs also agreeing. I'm not a fan of doing league reconstruction so I hope it doesn't happen. It would dilute our prize pot and mean more meaningless games.
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1 hour ago, pod said:
Its probably been discussed before but would we get anything form any future transfers he does?
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I think the fairest solution is to just pick the season up from where it left off whenever we can get back to football again.
We have 8 games to go. We just play them first then immediately start the new season. We can fit the extra 8 games in easily over the year by having extra mid week games and no winter break. Its obviously not a 100% perfect situation but nothing is. IMO this does the least damage.
It would be very harsh relegating a team with 8 games to go.
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The club rightly aren't putting out the begging hand to fans unless they absolutely need it. Asking fans to bail clubs out is something that should only be done very few times in a clubs history to ensure that when you really need it the fans come calling.
We St Mirren fans have in the past bailed our club out its hour darkest hour and some point in the future may have to again.
However at the moment when its not absolutely desperate life or death scenario for the club its right they don't ask just because other clubs seem to be doing it.
Be proud that the club is financially responsible and in a decent state at the moment. Fans are going to have a lot of financial worries themselves now and more so in the future when this recession really hits.
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1 hour ago, ALBIONSAINT said:
- An extensive survey in Iceland found that 50% of all test-positive persons showed „no symptoms“ at all, while the other 50% mostly showed „very moderate cold-like symptoms“. According to the Icelandic data, the mortality rate of Covid19 is in the per mille range, i.e. in the flu range or below. Of the two test-positive deaths, one was „a tourist with unusual symptoms“. (More Icelandic data)
If 50% had no symptoms and the other 50% had mild symptoms how did people die from it? Am I missing something?
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If anybody wants a laugh go and read the first page of this thread and see the experts on here telling us it's all an overreaction.
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25 minutes ago, oaksoft said:
Yep. I think that's the nub of the issue. That's exactly what it will take for people to take it seriously.
Its a cultural thing. As a society we've never seen anything like this before and people can't get their head around the idea that this is actually happening and the government can't protect us.
It's tailed off in China because the memories of SARS, swine flu and other epidemics that killed many people in China all happened in living memory. So culturally they know how to deal with stuff like this and immediately go into preservation mode when it starts to take off.
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6 minutes ago, faraway saint said:
I know, just showing the these measures, if effective, will take time.
The latest from the Italians.................
It's worrying the lack of urgency people have over it in this country. Largs prom was mobbed yesterday and there were fair rides and restaurants open and all sorts going on. We are only 2 weeks behind Italy going by the stats and we still aren't in full lockdown.
In western countries our lives are so comfortable and people still can't fathom that something like this is actually happening.
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2 hours ago, faraway saint said:
Eh?
Ok, Italy, approx 2 weeks ago introduced a fairly severe lock down.
Here's what's happened since then..................look closely at the dates.
I'm not saying this would have been better had they NOT done this but it looks cery clear it's not working, or very well to me.
It takes more than 2 weeks to start seeing the effects of a lock down. Look at what happened in China.
The people dying today in Italy caught it more than 2 weeks ago (pre-lockdown). Some people even take up to 2 weeks before showing any symptoms. Then they spend multiple more weeks after that fighting it.
IF remaining games are played behind doors (solution)
in General St. Mirren Discussion
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I'm glad of this as it means we aren't tied down to too many long term contracts on a pre-coronavirus budget. We will be able to adjust our finances accordingly for next season without as much trouble as other clubs.
There isn't a chance of this season continuing so we don't need to worry about that.