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Clutching at straws with the anti Robbo posts... we were shite most of this season and this bollocks about 4th place was some mere second in time  - we were in the hunt for top 6 in spite of some dire and woeful  pre Robinson results. We were only in contention for top 6 because  Aberdeen & Hibs played absolutely no where near there level - we didn't deserve it and we are where we are because we cannot defend and have zero intent going forward.  This is not down to 1 manager and a handful of fixtures!!!!.  Compared to last season this was a real disappointment and this goes back to the summer transfer window and our style of play when JG was in charge . Things haven't improved I grant you but it was not pretty this season loooong before Robbo arrived 
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Won't need to worry about the 2 stands escapade next season.

I wonder if this would be a good thread to discuss a bugbear of mine? If there is anyone who has some influence to fix this issue It would be most appreciated. 
Since the start of this season  i have noticed that the SMISA wall between the main stand and family stand has been very difficult to read due to vehicles being parked right up against the wall (see photo below from hearts game) This makes it very difficult to view the names and impossible if your a wheelchair user. Saints fans and there relatives from other parts of the world visit now and again and have difficulty viewing the wall. Come on Saints, are you saying that our car parks not big enough? these are the fans that dug deep to help out  through out the years, show a bit of respect. 

You sure that's not a reserve fixture during the lockdown   

Like the rest of us on this forum, I want St Mirren to win every game we play, however, I am also aware that we do not have a divine right for this to happen.  This however, does not exonerate the start that Robinson has made, which, being honest, is far from brilliant (or even acceptable).
Against Motherwell, we only had 5 players on the bench, of which one was a keeper, and another was Curtis Main.  That leaves 3 players, hardly a plethora of options.  Why is that?  Goodwin in his wisdom sanctioned that younger players should be sent out on loan, as opposed to being integrated into the first team squad. The way contracts are now structured makes it difficult, (if not impossible) to recall players from loan spells. Therefore, they’re unavailable for selection, hence our shite bench
We were also credited as being defensively sound under Goodwin, we weren’t really?  We were lucky that we had very good keepers in Hladky and Alnwick.  On average we were conceding 14 shots a game.  But they were both excellent keepers.  Lyness is good, but not in the same category.  
Very rarely under Goodwin, did we play football that had us out our seats.  When we won, it was generally by the odd goal.  We played efficient football.  The season we finished 7th we were awarded 8 (eight) penalties.  We were also fortunate enough to have McGrath.  This season we have been awarded 3(three) penalties.
We also forget that this season under Goodwin we had a run of 6 games without a win.  Its easy to point the finger at Robinson, but going in anywhere as a Manager is hard, as a football manager Its harder, because you have to deliver your job in front of 4,000 experts week in, week out.    Robinson will get there, but he needs at least one, if not two, transfer windows.  He needs his own players to impose his own ideas.  Yeah, he’s made mistakes, is PR isn’t quite as good as Jack Ross or Jim Goodwin.  Likewise, he doesn’t have the kudos of a previous connection to the club.  We need to remember that Jim (I’m here for the long haul) Goodwin jumped ship at the first opportunity, as did Jack (I’ll whore myself to the highest bidder) Ross.  Robinson has come in under very trying circumstances, and has really had no time so far.   He’ll get there though.
I think we’ll stay up.  It might be bumpy, but that’s the St Mirren way.  The future will be brighter.

Morecambe fan here! 
As you can imagine, a great many of us south of the border are keeping a bit of an eye on what's going on at St Mirren. There is a certain element of schadenfreude about the situation - although to be clear this is directed entirely at Robinson and O'Carroll, and not at St Mirren fans! 
For the lowdown on Robinson with us - he came in at quite a difficult time. He only had three contracted players and essentially had to build a large amount of the squad from scratch. Not to mention he was starting a month behind most clubs due our play-off campaign. 
He recruited some decent players but there were unfortunately a couple of pretty key gaps - a big aerial centre back, a defensive midfielder and our goalkeepers were very poor. 
Started the season well, I think largely due to 'good vibes' following promotion and Cole Stockton being ridiculously good, but then around November/December the weaknesses began to catch up with us and our form and results took an absolute nosedive. 
Robinson generally blamed personnel (although he did admit responsibility for this in his recruitment) and in fairness to him, he wasn't wrong. Anthony O'Connor has been a good signing at the back but his centre back partners were incredible weak, and he had goalkeepers underperforming behind him. I thought the set-up of the team overall was good and we pressed very smartly and efficiently, but every time the opposition got into our final third it was always incredibly dangerous. 
Come January, Robinson absolutely sorted those problems out. Got a good keeper in Trevor Carson, a couple of good centre backs and a defensive midfielder to be used when called for. Suddenly, we looked far stronger as a team and even our attacking productivity even improved as well - guessing this was partly due to them having more confidence in our defence. Also helped that our two best attacking midfielders managed to shake off some injury troubles.
Got a couple of great wins in January, and performances continued to be at a high standard into February. Despite results not going our way, a lot of this was due to bad luck, some bizarre circumstances and good goalkeeping/bad finishing. I'd cautiously predict that if Robinson had stayed, results would have started to turn in our favour a bit more often as the performances were there. 
So the irony is, he left just as he was beginning to sort things out and find a bit of a groove. Now he appears to be back at square one with St Mirren, albeit with a vastly higher salary! I'd say he is a good manager and worth giving time to, but results have gone to pot particularly drastically which is quite alarming. Not sure he's got much of a leg to stand on if you get relegated - although I'm not sure how likely this is as I'm not too clued up on the teams around you etc. 
Oh and an Obika update! He's just been incredibly unfortunate. Got a massive hamstring injury in pre-season which kept him out until the end of December, and then understandably took time to find a bit of mojo again. He's also playing second fiddle to Stockton, who is absolutely undroppable and has been incredible this season with 21 league goals. 

Serious question...  do you actually think we could sack Robinson giving he has a 3 year contract and hasn't had a transfer window ? 
My answer is NO.  he will at least be allowed the summer which at the moment is quite a scary thought as things stands.  maybe a few in the boardroom should lose their heads before him.  was always a bit of a meh signing with me and a few others 

Very unfair on the the new manager, you point out all the positions at fault tonight, what manager was it that signed them?
The time to judge the new manager is at least a year from now when he has had 2 transfer windows under his belt. Hearts have been a yard sharper in all positions in at least 3 of the 4 games we have played them so far. (hate typing that with their prick of a manager)
We scored two crackers but were beaten (again) by the better team, if you want to lay that at the new managers door so be it.
 

Very unfair on the the new manager, you point out all the positions at fault tonight, what manager was it that signed them?
The time to judge the new manager is at least a year from now when he has had 2 transfer windows under his belt. Hearts have been a yard sharper in all positions in at least 3 of the 4 games we have played them so far. (hate typing that with their prick of a manager)
We scored two crackers but were beaten (again) by the better team, if you want to lay that at the new managers door so be it.
 

Very unfair on the the new manager, you point out all the positions at fault tonight, what manager was it that signed them?
The time to judge the new manager is at least a year from now when he has had 2 transfer windows under his belt. Hearts have been a yard sharper in all positions in at least 3 of the 4 games we have played them so far. (hate typing that with their prick of a manager)
We scored two crackers but were beaten (again) by the better team, if you want to lay that at the new managers door so be it.
 

Very unfair on the the new manager, you point out all the positions at fault tonight, what manager was it that signed them?
The time to judge the new manager is at least a year from now when he has had 2 transfer windows under his belt. Hearts have been a yard sharper in all positions in at least 3 of the 4 games we have played them so far. (hate typing that with their prick of a manager)
We scored two crackers but were beaten (again) by the better team, if you want to lay that at the new managers door so be it.
 

Very unfair on the the new manager, you point out all the positions at fault tonight, what manager was it that signed them?
The time to judge the new manager is at least a year from now when he has had 2 transfer windows under his belt. Hearts have been a yard sharper in all positions in at least 3 of the 4 games we have played them so far. (hate typing that with their prick of a manager)
We scored two crackers but were beaten (again) by the better team, if you want to lay that at the new managers door so be it.
 

Very unfair on the the new manager, you point out all the positions at fault tonight, what manager was it that signed them?
The time to judge the new manager is at least a year from now when he has had 2 transfer windows under his belt. Hearts have been a yard sharper in all positions in at least 3 of the 4 games we have played them so far. (hate typing that with their prick of a manager)
We scored two crackers but were beaten (again) by the better team, if you want to lay that at the new managers door so be it.
 

Seriously we have played Hearts and Celtic who are streets ahead of us. RC on a good run of form away is always a tricky fixture. 
Our good wee run of form wasn't all that great and but for having a superb goalkeeper we would have lost a good few of them. 
Grieve struggled badly against Hearts, Main made a difference when he came on with his physical strength. I know Main has been mince but Robinson only knows the Main at Motherwell so its not beyond reason to see why he's playing him atm.
I'm amazed that Aberdeen took Goodwin. I very much doubt we would have done any better in these 3 games under Goodwin.
I know you weren't overly impressed with the appointment of Robinson as I was too but we really need to give the guy a chance.
My gut feel is that his teams are a lot more expansive and attack minded that the sterile cr@p that Goodwin has served up for quite a while.
My gut feel also is that there will be quite a bit of change in the summer with contracts finishing and Robinson wanting to build his own team
We are very poor overall and for me I think we'll be 3rd bottom, we are not top six at all despite the delusions of many.

Missed Ronan today and just weren’t at it or good enough.  
 
Robinson tinkering with the 4-2-3-1 to revert to a back 3/5 - after it having failed for the first half of the season - seems a bit bonkers.  
 
You’ve got to wonder what consultation has (or hasn’t) been had with Shaugnessy/Langfield/McManus to get an understanding of the evolution of our season. That should have highlighted the failed experiment of earlier in the season. 
 
Can’t help thinking that it’s either trying to put an necessary stamp on the team, or maybe that he fancies McCarthy as too good to sit on bench and wants to squeeze him in. Either way, it’s pish. 
 
He needs to realise pronto that Main isn’t an answer, albeit that Grieve hasn’t had a kick in the last few games (bar a cameo at Celtic) and Brophy still returning. 
 
Erhahon also looking more error strewn the less he plays. 
 
Finally, no great surprise to see us struggle after going behind. Typical Goodwin legacy that we struggle to create so don’t lay all the blame on Robinson for today. Took 5 mins too long to throw up Shaugnessy at the end - yet another thing that should have been flagged up to him as our get out of jail card that had worked before. 

Went into work this morning with a gloomy Broonie/Naisey shaped cloud hovering above my head; left with a wee spring in my step.
Hopefully the Robinson deal goes through. Good experience and track record up here, exactly what we should be looking for at the moment. 

While I appreciated the uneventfulness of last season's end and believe we had a relatively successful year, I would suggest that Jim's team bottled the big occasions. Two semi finals against neither big clubs and failure to secure a top six finish against the weakest team in the league. If there ever was a definition of the "nearly man" that was it. If Aberdeen truly think themselves a massive club then it's those facts that make me  surprised they chose JG.

All the chat about the trophies Brown (or any other candidate) have won is to an extent irrelevant. For every Mourinho or Wenger who did nothing as a player and were successful managers there’s a Neville brother who won everything going but were hopeless managers.

Likewise experience only counts so far. There are some rookies who excel such as Dalglish but probably far more that flounder like Gary Teale. I say probably because a lot of these guys never manage again and are forgotten about.

Appointing a manager is a roll of the dice and all we can do is narrow candidates down by what we think are important criteria then hope for the best. I believe their personal qualities and fit with the job are more important than trophies.

Personally I don’t want Brown as he’s mine and many other people’s most hated figure in Scottish football for the last 15 years. Some feel that his aggression, not taking any shit and generally willingness to get it up people are positive qualities. Maybe for a midfield hard man but not for a manager. There’s been plenty of times I think his conduct hasn’t been befitting of a club captain never mind manager. Maybe he’s matured but his reaction to getting Kent sent of recently did nothing to make me think so.

Incidentally if John Terry get linked with the job you replace Brown’s name with his for most of the posts in this thread.

He is sitting in the directors box next to their chairman according to the radio. (Out with a hamstring injury)
 

If, and it's a big if, the Record story about Scott Brown is true then the obvious question is this: Who among our decision makers is so out of touch with the fanbase to even consider employing such an abrasive, divisive character? I can't believe that anyone from our board would be so stupid?
Nah, it simply can't be true.
Can it?

Ah well that's that then, I suppose overall he did a pretty good job of managing our club, luckily for him the people who's making the decision up in Aberdeen have very short memories the performances we were producing for months before Xmas was absolute chronic but to his credit he turned it around... 
Anyway no good lucks from me I hope he makes a total cnut of it.... Adios..

and you hate the thought of him stealing your well earned title! [emoji850][emoji12]

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A typical scenario in the life and times of our club. Just when we gain a little momentum in our season, albeit after a poor spell prior to the break, and a spanner gets thrown in the works. Not too dissimilar to when Ross left after winning the league. 
now that the approach has been made I only see it ending with us seeking a new manager. 
I’m not sure if it’s a good move for him at this point but that’s of no consequence. The important thing is the impact and disruption it could have on our team and club. 
Time will tell….

Lets see !-0 Saints.  Mild conditions. Good ref.   3/6 
Elvis was my banker    cost me a Yankee 

f**king brilliant result.