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  1. Gordon Scott and Jim Gillespie were involved long before any sale took place, nothing wrong there, but it has to be remembered that for all the talk kibbles money was never invested in st Mirren it was paid back to Gordon Scott for his shares, tony fitz was heavily involved at the time bringing kibble on board, so there’s 4 board member heavily invested from kibbles POV, then allowing kibble to place a kibble employee into the club set up as general manager didn’t help in keeping things balanced, he was in effect Tony’s right hand man, heavily influencing Tony’s decision, directly causing all of the early disasters that beset the the club
  2. Oh that’s the easy part , the original 4 smisa appointees were bought into kibbles nonsense too,
  3. The Smisa AGM tonight, will be a bun fight, as usual, accusations, counter accusations, even anger at the machinations. What lies at the heart of this difficulty, in my opinion, is the mistaken belief that this joint venture between smisa and the kibble meant that these two bodies could come together and always work solely for the good of st mirren football club. That kibble would bring its ‘ world class’ business acumen to the table, work hand in glove with smisa to bring commercial success to the club and smisa members bought into this in droves. Which is fine. the idea being 4 board members would represent the smisa group and 2 the kibble and would work together in the best interests of the club. In hindsight? A tad naive, perhaps, because whichever way you look at this setup, kibble will always put kibble first, it will always have kibbles interest at heart, inland revenue, chairman’s tweets, lawyer’s letters etc. the shambles that was renderworks, pie stalls etc, stewarding? All for kibble. While I don’t believe for a second that kibble don’t want st Mirren to succeed, I do,genuinely, believe they want success in furtherance of kibbles aims not the clubs. kibble put in their bid for government funding, purely for the financial benefit of kibble and that can’t be denied by anyone, it doesn’t benefit smfc in the slightest. They did it behind the boards back and used the charitable foundations name purely for kibble, they’ve used the board to twist the narrative, purely for kibble, they’ve blamed the council fora simple error purely for kibble, that is the facts in evidence. We all see the same picture, we choose to interpret it how we will. but can we stop pretending that anything kibble does is for SMFC ? They will always act in kibble’s interest first and will always use smfc to further kibble. That’s how these things work. It’s just a slight pity that some buddies believed this would be different.
  4. The Smisa AGM tonight, will be a bun fight, as usual, accusations, counter accusations, even anger at the machinations. What lies at the heart of this difficulty, in my opinion, is the mistaken belief that this joint venture between smisa and the kibble meant that these two bodies could come together and always work solely for the good of st mirren football club. That kibble would bring its ‘ world class’ business acumen to the table, work hand in glove with smisa to bring commercial success to the club and smisa members bought into this in droves. Which is fine. the idea being 4 board members would represent the smisa group and 2 the kibble and would work together in the best interests of the club. In hindsight? A tad naive, perhaps, because whichever way you look at this setup, kibble will always put kibble first, it will always have kibbles interest at heart, inland revenue, chairman’s tweets, lawyer’s letters etc. the shambles that was renderworks, pie stalls etc, stewarding? All for kibble. While I don’t believe for a second that kibble don’t want st Mirren to succeed, I do,genuinely, believe they want success in furtherance of kibbles aims not the clubs. kibble put in their bid for government funding, purely for the financial benefit of kibble and that can’t be denied by anyone, it doesn’t benefit smfc in the slightest. They did it behind the boards back and used the charitable foundations name purely for kibble, they’ve used the board to twist the narrative, purely for kibble, they’ve blamed the council fora simple error purely for kibble, that is the facts in evidence. We all see the same picture, we choose to interpret it how we will. but can we stop pretending that anything kibble does is for SMFC ? They will always act in kibble’s interest first and will always use smfc to further kibble. That’s how these things work. It’s just a slight pity that some buddies believed this would be different.
  5. Let’s be clear shall we? The club statement does say that kibble made an initial application naming the st Mirren charitable foundation as a partner in the bid, it wasn’t that was a lie by kibble, the board only became aware of this after the bid entered second funding phase, the charitable trust were still not aware till this point.It took a board decision to say that the charitable trust should be made aware of the application! It was agreed that timely and appropriate discussions must take place regarding any potential projects in future to ensure that all stakeholders, directly involved or otherwise, were aware of the approach that was being taken. this is not a kibble bad story in the slightest. It’s simply kibble using their position within smfc for their own financial gain. Glad you agree baz.
  6. Well as I clearly stated, I won’t be answering your questions on a public forum, but will happily meet you on main campus, have the discussion with you, then you can decide wether to answer the questions you asked publicly.
  7. Sure fella, like I’ve said, you PM me your details, we’ll meet up have a chat, you can decide what you want to post to a public forum, dead simple
  8. Funny that you popping up 4 hours ago, after 3 failed attempts were made to access my account?
  9. othet Nae bother, brother, you pm what house you’re in, I’ll pop over this week, we swap ID cards, I’ll tell you names the fellas involved you can decide if you want to name them on a public forum, though I’d be very careful about breaching confidentiality, cause I think GeeGee may be unhappy ending up in here.
  10. Right well, maybe you understand these things better than I do, but they put up the rafters for the roof, a council planner appeared, said there was concerns the roof was higher than originally stated, measured it, said it would too high, fix it. And that’s when the work stopped really, so that’s what happened, I don’t know if the media would be interested in that or not?
  11. what I will say is, kibble is good at what it does, very good at somethings, and I think the link up will be a good thing in the long run, for sure. But, guys like baz are fantasists, they use language around kibble’s involvement in st Mirren that is utter nonsense, I don’t know his and others reasoning behind it, but it poisons the well, it damages the relationship between kibble and smisa, creates mistrust and drives splits. In 10 or 15 years time, kibble might have the knowledge and expertise that baz claims it has ? But it doesn’t have it now. There was no project management, there was no building contractor, the “general managers” leant to st Mirren have no business knowledge outside the 3rd sector and basically, everyone made a bit of an arse of it, we carry on from here, anti kibble folk in smisa are going a bit too far at times, but for sure, the pro kibble crew in here are at best deluded and at worst shit stirring trolls. Good morning to you all.
  12. Direct involvement without over sharing? Being there most days, trying to work in YPs daily scheduling around trade training, H&S, I won’t say anymore concerning daily goings on for YPs, but, again, the simple point is that baz claims kibble had a PM a building contractor doing this job at their expense, that’s the bit that’s pish, renderworks are a joinery firm and have no experience in construction at all, and the cost overruns come from retrofitting the problems caused by the lack of skills and generally cowboying of renderworks,
  13. No you clearly missed the question, I was asked why I didn’t leave kibble. Kibble is quite good at providing care and support to YPs. Until recently that’s all we did, building training grounds? Not our specialty,
  14. I’m 18 years in the job, jim Gillespie has been here 8, it’s less than 5 years since he took over and less than 3 since we became involved at st Mirren, I fully expect to outlast him.
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