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The Smisa AGM tonight, will be a bun fight, as usual, accusations, counter accusations, even anger at the machinations. What lies at the heart of this difficulty, in my opinion, is the mistaken belief that this joint venture between smisa and the kibble meant that these two bodies could come together and always work solely for the good of st mirren football club. That kibble would bring its ‘ world class’ business acumen to the table, work hand in glove with smisa to bring commercial success to the club and smisa members bought into this in droves. Which is fine.
the idea being 4 board members would represent the smisa group and 2 the kibble and would work together in the best interests of the club.
In hindsight? A tad naive, perhaps, because whichever way you look at this setup, kibble will always put kibble first, it will always have kibbles interest at heart, inland revenue, chairman’s tweets, lawyer’s letters etc. the shambles that was renderworks, pie stalls etc, stewarding? All for kibble. 
While I don’t believe for a second that kibble don’t want st Mirren to succeed, I do,genuinely, believe they want success in furtherance of kibbles aims not the clubs.
kibble put in their bid for government funding, purely for the financial benefit of kibble and that can’t be denied by anyone, it doesn’t benefit smfc in the slightest. They did it behind the boards back and used the charitable foundations name purely for kibble, they’ve used the board to twist the narrative, purely for kibble, they’ve blamed the council fora simple error purely for kibble, that is the facts in evidence. We all see the same picture, we choose to interpret it how we will.
but can we stop pretending that anything kibble does is for SMFC ? They will always act in kibble’s interest first and will always use smfc to further kibble. That’s how these things work. It’s just a slight pity that some buddies believed this would be different.

Gordon Scott and Jim Gillespie were involved long before any sale took place, nothing wrong there, but it has to be remembered that for all the talk kibbles money was never invested in st Mirren it was paid back to Gordon Scott for his shares,  tony fitz was heavily involved at the time bringing kibble on board, so there’s 4 board member heavily invested from kibbles POV, then allowing kibble to place a kibble employee into the club set up as general manager didn’t help in keeping things balanced, he was in effect Tony’s right hand man, heavily influencing Tony’s decision, directly causing all of the early disasters that beset the the club
 

The Smisa AGM tonight, will be a bun fight, as usual, accusations, counter accusations, even anger at the machinations. What lies at the heart of this difficulty, in my opinion, is the mistaken belief that this joint venture between smisa and the kibble meant that these two bodies could come together and always work solely for the good of st mirren football club. That kibble would bring its ‘ world class’ business acumen to the table, work hand in glove with smisa to bring commercial success to the club and smisa members bought into this in droves. Which is fine.
the idea being 4 board members would represent the smisa group and 2 the kibble and would work together in the best interests of the club.
In hindsight? A tad naive, perhaps, because whichever way you look at this setup, kibble will always put kibble first, it will always have kibbles interest at heart, inland revenue, chairman’s tweets, lawyer’s letters etc. the shambles that was renderworks, pie stalls etc, stewarding? All for kibble. 
While I don’t believe for a second that kibble don’t want st Mirren to succeed, I do,genuinely, believe they want success in furtherance of kibbles aims not the clubs.
kibble put in their bid for government funding, purely for the financial benefit of kibble and that can’t be denied by anyone, it doesn’t benefit smfc in the slightest. They did it behind the boards back and used the charitable foundations name purely for kibble, they’ve used the board to twist the narrative, purely for kibble, they’ve blamed the council fora simple error purely for kibble, that is the facts in evidence. We all see the same picture, we choose to interpret it how we will.
but can we stop pretending that anything kibble does is for SMFC ? They will always act in kibble’s interest first and will always use smfc to further kibble. That’s how these things work. It’s just a slight pity that some buddies believed this would be different.

Gordon Scott and Jim Gillespie were involved long before any sale took place, nothing wrong there, but it has to be remembered that for all the talk kibbles money was never invested in st Mirren it was paid back to Gordon Scott for his shares,  tony fitz was heavily involved at the time bringing kibble on board, so there’s 4 board member heavily invested from kibbles POV, then allowing kibble to place a kibble employee into the club set up as general manager didn’t help in keeping things balanced, he was in effect Tony’s right hand man, heavily influencing Tony’s decision, directly causing all of the early disasters that beset the the club
 

The Smisa AGM tonight, will be a bun fight, as usual, accusations, counter accusations, even anger at the machinations. What lies at the heart of this difficulty, in my opinion, is the mistaken belief that this joint venture between smisa and the kibble meant that these two bodies could come together and always work solely for the good of st mirren football club. That kibble would bring its ‘ world class’ business acumen to the table, work hand in glove with smisa to bring commercial success to the club and smisa members bought into this in droves. Which is fine.
the idea being 4 board members would represent the smisa group and 2 the kibble and would work together in the best interests of the club.
In hindsight? A tad naive, perhaps, because whichever way you look at this setup, kibble will always put kibble first, it will always have kibbles interest at heart, inland revenue, chairman’s tweets, lawyer’s letters etc. the shambles that was renderworks, pie stalls etc, stewarding? All for kibble. 
While I don’t believe for a second that kibble don’t want st Mirren to succeed, I do,genuinely, believe they want success in furtherance of kibbles aims not the clubs.
kibble put in their bid for government funding, purely for the financial benefit of kibble and that can’t be denied by anyone, it doesn’t benefit smfc in the slightest. They did it behind the boards back and used the charitable foundations name purely for kibble, they’ve used the board to twist the narrative, purely for kibble, they’ve blamed the council fora simple error purely for kibble, that is the facts in evidence. We all see the same picture, we choose to interpret it how we will.
but can we stop pretending that anything kibble does is for SMFC ? They will always act in kibble’s interest first and will always use smfc to further kibble. That’s how these things work. It’s just a slight pity that some buddies believed this would be different.
 

The Smisa AGM tonight, will be a bun fight, as usual, accusations, counter accusations, even anger at the machinations. What lies at the heart of this difficulty, in my opinion, is the mistaken belief that this joint venture between smisa and the kibble meant that these two bodies could come together and always work solely for the good of st mirren football club. That kibble would bring its ‘ world class’ business acumen to the table, work hand in glove with smisa to bring commercial success to the club and smisa members bought into this in droves. Which is fine.
the idea being 4 board members would represent the smisa group and 2 the kibble and would work together in the best interests of the club.
In hindsight? A tad naive, perhaps, because whichever way you look at this setup, kibble will always put kibble first, it will always have kibbles interest at heart, inland revenue, chairman’s tweets, lawyer’s letters etc. the shambles that was renderworks, pie stalls etc, stewarding? All for kibble. 
While I don’t believe for a second that kibble don’t want st Mirren to succeed, I do,genuinely, believe they want success in furtherance of kibbles aims not the clubs.
kibble put in their bid for government funding, purely for the financial benefit of kibble and that can’t be denied by anyone, it doesn’t benefit smfc in the slightest. They did it behind the boards back and used the charitable foundations name purely for kibble, they’ve used the board to twist the narrative, purely for kibble, they’ve blamed the council fora simple error purely for kibble, that is the facts in evidence. We all see the same picture, we choose to interpret it how we will.
but can we stop pretending that anything kibble does is for SMFC ? They will always act in kibble’s interest first and will always use smfc to further kibble. That’s how these things work. It’s just a slight pity that some buddies believed this would be different.
 

The Smisa AGM tonight, will be a bun fight, as usual, accusations, counter accusations, even anger at the machinations. What lies at the heart of this difficulty, in my opinion, is the mistaken belief that this joint venture between smisa and the kibble meant that these two bodies could come together and always work solely for the good of st mirren football club. That kibble would bring its ‘ world class’ business acumen to the table, work hand in glove with smisa to bring commercial success to the club and smisa members bought into this in droves. Which is fine.
the idea being 4 board members would represent the smisa group and 2 the kibble and would work together in the best interests of the club.
In hindsight? A tad naive, perhaps, because whichever way you look at this setup, kibble will always put kibble first, it will always have kibbles interest at heart, inland revenue, chairman’s tweets, lawyer’s letters etc. the shambles that was renderworks, pie stalls etc, stewarding? All for kibble. 
While I don’t believe for a second that kibble don’t want st Mirren to succeed, I do,genuinely, believe they want success in furtherance of kibbles aims not the clubs.
kibble put in their bid for government funding, purely for the financial benefit of kibble and that can’t be denied by anyone, it doesn’t benefit smfc in the slightest. They did it behind the boards back and used the charitable foundations name purely for kibble, they’ve used the board to twist the narrative, purely for kibble, they’ve blamed the council fora simple error purely for kibble, that is the facts in evidence. We all see the same picture, we choose to interpret it how we will.
but can we stop pretending that anything kibble does is for SMFC ? They will always act in kibble’s interest first and will always use smfc to further kibble. That’s how these things work. It’s just a slight pity that some buddies believed this would be different.

Baz both thinks it’s trivial but worries it’s important enough that it might have impacted on the prep of team
I suppose if you continually post shite you’re bound to end up contradicting yourself 😂
(baz will of course post more contradictory and / or irrelevant shite to claim that he’s not contradicting himself)
🤡
 

I want to reiterate that Kibble or any other organisation's priority is essentially to promote their own interests first and foremost.  When it comes to the crunch St Mirren comes second.   What would the Kibble BOD say if their reps on the St Mirren board gave Saints priority?

He won't. You know that already. 

Let’s be clear shall we? The club statement does say that kibble made an initial application naming the st Mirren charitable foundation as a partner in the bid, it wasn’t that was a lie by kibble, the board only became aware of this after the bid entered second funding phase, the charitable trust were still not aware till this point.It took a board decision to say that the charitable trust should be made aware of the application! 
It was agreed that timely and appropriate discussions must take place regarding any potential projects in future to ensure that all stakeholders, directly involved or otherwise, were aware of the approach that was being taken.
this is not a kibble bad story in the slightest. It’s simply kibble using their position within smfc for their own financial gain. Glad you agree baz.
 
 

Let’s be clear shall we? The club statement does say that kibble made an initial application naming the st Mirren charitable foundation as a partner in the bid, it wasn’t that was a lie by kibble, the board only became aware of this after the bid entered second funding phase, the charitable trust were still not aware till this point.It took a board decision to say that the charitable trust should be made aware of the application! 
It was agreed that timely and appropriate discussions must take place regarding any potential projects in future to ensure that all stakeholders, directly involved or otherwise, were aware of the approach that was being taken.
this is not a kibble bad story in the slightest. It’s simply kibble using their position within smfc for their own financial gain. Glad you agree baz.
 
 

Direct involvement without over sharing? Being there most days, trying to work in YPs daily scheduling around trade training, H&S, I won’t say anymore concerning daily goings on for YPs, but, again, the simple point is that baz claims kibble had a PM a building contractor doing this job at their expense, that’s the bit that’s pish, renderworks are a joinery firm and have no experience in construction at all, and the cost overruns come from retrofitting the problems caused by the lack of skills and generally cowboying of renderworks, 
 

what I will say is, kibble is good at what it does, very good at somethings, and I think the link up will be a good thing in the long run, for sure. But, guys like baz are fantasists, they use language around kibble’s involvement in st Mirren that is utter nonsense, I don’t know his and others reasoning behind it, but it poisons the well, it damages the relationship between kibble and smisa, creates mistrust and drives splits. In 10 or 15 years time, kibble might have the knowledge and expertise that baz claims it has ? But it doesn’t have it now. There was no project management, there was no building contractor, the “general managers” leant to st Mirren have no business knowledge outside the 3rd sector and basically, everyone made a bit of an arse of it, we carry on from here, anti kibble folk in smisa are going a bit too far at times, but for sure, the pro kibble crew in here are at best deluded and at worst shit stirring trolls. Good morning to you all.

Don't shoot the messenger, call out Jim Gillespie and the Daily Record..
FWIW I did not see any need for Kibble involvement at the club but for the facility to get GLS his cash back quicker and SMiSA obliged
 

Oh that’s relatively simple, really, I’m a child & youth care worker, kibble is relatively good at providing that service, it’s building football training training grounds they’re pish at. 
 

Sure, well , principal problems start with renderworks having never built a building before and the lack of any project management led to ridiculous problems in the actual construction. take for instance the myth of lack of timber for The roof joists, poppycock, the roof as built by RW, was too high, led to local complaints then had to be redone to comply with building regs, but mostly just ridiculous things like having to completely redo the electrics as they’d over loaded the grid.hadn’t discussed anything with the likes of Scottish water or even btconnect for bandwidth needed for all the internet connected equipment that had been pre ordered, they literally thought you can just tap into local supply of any utility and get instant access, the notion anything was managed is a provable joke. 
 

That is a rather incestuous relationship if ever i saw one.
The project was over budget and late and the Project Management has to take some level of responsibility for that.
Who told the club that they could build a single storey 120m2 building for £80k. Even back in 2021/22 a single storey Portakabin half that size could not be bought for under a £100k excluding the fitout, utilities and the external works.
By some of the later posts it sounds like the project was not planned properly nor was it executed with any level of control. The club even had to apply for a retrospective planning application. A good Project Manager would have advised that Planning should have been applied for prior to commencing works and that it is against the law in Scotland to commence building works without a Warrant. To do so can come with a Level 5 fine on the Standard Scale, which is now unlimited (previously it’s was capped at £5k)
When was the warrant granted and when did the works commence ??
 

what I will say is, kibble is good at what it does, very good at somethings, and I think the link up will be a good thing in the long run, for sure. But, guys like baz are fantasists, they use language around kibble’s involvement in st Mirren that is utter nonsense, I don’t know his and others reasoning behind it, but it poisons the well, it damages the relationship between kibble and smisa, creates mistrust and drives splits. In 10 or 15 years time, kibble might have the knowledge and expertise that baz claims it has ? But it doesn’t have it now. There was no project management, there was no building contractor, the “general managers” leant to st Mirren have no business knowledge outside the 3rd sector and basically, everyone made a bit of an arse of it, we carry on from here, anti kibble folk in smisa are going a bit too far at times, but for sure, the pro kibble crew in here are at best deluded and at worst shit stirring trolls. Good morning to you all.

Direct involvement without over sharing? Being there most days, trying to work in YPs daily scheduling around trade training, H&S, I won’t say anymore concerning daily goings on for YPs, but, again, the simple point is that baz claims kibble had a PM a building contractor doing this job at their expense, that’s the bit that’s pish, renderworks are a joinery firm and have no experience in construction at all, and the cost overruns come from retrofitting the problems caused by the lack of skills and generally cowboying of renderworks, 
 

what I will say is, kibble is good at what it does, very good at somethings, and I think the link up will be a good thing in the long run, for sure. But, guys like baz are fantasists, they use language around kibble’s involvement in st Mirren that is utter nonsense, I don’t know his and others reasoning behind it, but it poisons the well, it damages the relationship between kibble and smisa, creates mistrust and drives splits. In 10 or 15 years time, kibble might have the knowledge and expertise that baz claims it has ? But it doesn’t have it now. There was no project management, there was no building contractor, the “general managers” leant to st Mirren have no business knowledge outside the 3rd sector and basically, everyone made a bit of an arse of it, we carry on from here, anti kibble folk in smisa are going a bit too far at times, but for sure, the pro kibble crew in here are at best deluded and at worst shit stirring trolls. Good morning to you all.

I did ask the question and to be fair the posters 18 years as a child and youth care worker has to be applauded as it is a difficult job and no doubt has difficult situations to deal with.
If Kibble have not long started with types of construction work then the mishaps, etc happen because of 1 thing being the quality of tradesmen available.
 
What do I mean by this.
 
More so post pandemic available good experienced tradespeople(must be PC these days....) will be retained by any current employers as there is a shortage of that. If Kibble decided to start to spread out into other areas then the available tradespeople to carry out such work on a permanent staff role won't be either the best that's out there or don't have the experience. 
 
It would be interesting to see if the care worker poster has young people assigned to ralston on work experience, not learning much from not the best quality tradespeople.

Direct involvement without over sharing? Being there most days, trying to work in YPs daily scheduling around trade training, H&S, I won’t say anymore concerning daily goings on for YPs, but, again, the simple point is that baz claims kibble had a PM a building contractor doing this job at their expense, that’s the bit that’s pish, renderworks are a joinery firm and have no experience in construction at all, and the cost overruns come from retrofitting the problems caused by the lack of skills and generally cowboying of renderworks, 
 

Direct involvement without over sharing? Being there most days, trying to work in YPs daily scheduling around trade training, H&S, I won’t say anymore concerning daily goings on for YPs, but, again, the simple point is that baz claims kibble had a PM a building contractor doing this job at their expense, that’s the bit that’s pish, renderworks are a joinery firm and have no experience in construction at all, and the cost overruns come from retrofitting the problems caused by the lack of skills and generally cowboying of renderworks, 
 

Oh that’s relatively simple, really, I’m a child & youth care worker, kibble is relatively good at providing that service, it’s building football training training grounds they’re pish at.