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This takes me back too....

Never seen this before. A brilliant band, singing a brilliant song by a brilliant band.

Is Shull the Billy Abercromby of the forum?

Nice try Shull

I think when in your previous response you changed cowardice to collusion, you eradicated my first point anyway.. As for the second point, whilst I wouldn’t argue with anything you have said, I still don’t think it precludes us from saying that this was still a massive faux pas by the club, regardless of the underlying issue. Let’s just say it won’t have helped matters. If anything it will have made things worse.

I think the following would be a perfectly acceptable response from Oran… “Right, we all know I took over an absolutely useless squad made up of members of the Keystone Cops, the Anthill Mob, a selection of the cast from the Benny Hill Show and a handful of Billy Smart’s clown troop. Yes I have failed to get results with this collection of footballing imposters and if folk want to criticise me for that fair enough. I’ll take that on the chin. However I’d venture that the offspring generated from a Ferguson/Stein/Shankly/Paisley spunk cocktail would’ve struggled with that lot. HOWEVER!! The honeymoon is over. The excuses are over. It’s my team now and I’ll stand or fall by our results from now on. Come May, if we’re still a Premiership team then I’ll have succeded. If not, I’ll have failed and we’ll see what happens at that point. In the meantime, get aff ma back ya miserable shower of utter khunts!”

Oaky, I’m with you on a lot of the stuff you say on this topic. Particularly the “no smoke without fire” theory and the fact that clearly (however small maybe) there is something wrong in that group of fans. However, I’ve got to take issue with two things:- How can you possibly label other fans “cowards” for not dobbing in any alleged offenders, whilst at the same time excusing the very people who are actually paid to do that job (minimum wage or otherwise), by saying they were probably feart to do so. That is bonkers bud. No matter what the facts of this matter turn out to be, that club statement is worthy of all the adjectives that have been applied to it. A utter, amateur, shambolic, humiliatingly embarrassing, PR balls up of the highest order. Amateur being probably the most relevant of all.

I agree. I think he should have at least won the Scottish Cup and the FA with Coleraine. That would have been much more impressive. A Champions League final would have been the icing on the cake though.

No not really. Those seasons were turgid boring pish. Given that top 6 is just total pie in the sky at the moment, then give me a good old fashioned relegation battle every time. In fact, I'd take relegation and competitive football in the championship over seasons of negative, mind numbing mid table mediocrity in the Premiership.

William Hill thought we were underdogs too. Just sayin...

Blimey that took a while!

Sorry Cornwall. Think the time has come to saturate our pants in no uncertain manner.

Ha Ha. That is some serious blame deflection there.

Can I reinstate my post from a few minutes ago and hope for the same result?

Don’t you just love that reverse psychology shite.

Was more than happy to give Oran his window. He’s now done his transfer business and it would appear we are still shite. Starting to look a bit like Oran Kearney = lovely fella, but shite manager.

Was the Duck lame?

Forget all that wimpy liberal nonsense. I think he should be made to shag Ruth Davidson. That’ll teach the khunt!

In fairness it's a thread about Jack Ross. If you want to debate tonight's game, you can do that on the matchday thread. Here to help.

Sorry, yes I forgot about the Challenge Cup. JR only got us to the final. All decent opinions on this recent topic and I'm certainly happy for cases to be made for Clunie, McFarlane, Miller and Smith. Lennon is a strange one. Yes he won our only League Cup in our history which is extremely notable, but in all honestly did bugger all else of any note. Gus for me was just a solid, steady unremarkable manager who did a decent job and gave us one very enjoyable season (albeit for me not as enjoyable as 99/00 or last season - or half of the season before for that matter!). For me he isn't in the same category as the others. You could also argue that it's slightly unfair to compare 70/80s managers' league placing achievements with those of the more recent ones, as it was a much more level playing field in those days. All healthy debate though and I still think JR will go on to be an exceptional manager for a top club. I suppose I could sum it up by saying that (as a 52 year old man) the period from January 17 to May 18 was my most enjoyable period supporting St. Mirren since the early 80s. You could say in the whole of my adult life. That has to count for something in respect of where I hold JR in our list of managers.

Probably not going to be a popular view on here, but I don’t think Defoe dived. Well, not in a way as to con the ref on a premeditated basis. I think he genuinely did “anticipate contact” and went down in a reactive way, immediately got back up when he realised there had been no contact and chased after the ball. Not the slightest hint of a claim. I don’t hold Defoe responsible at all for that penalty. I hold Dallas 100% responsible for either an inexplicably incompetent decision or for being a corrupt, cheating khunt. Only Dallas knows which of those is true.

I think you (deliberately) missed a key word there. Namely “arguably”. JR is without doubt arguably our best manager since Fergie. He only had 18 months with us and in that time in terms of actually trophies he matched what Gus achieved despite Gus having years with us. Danny to his credit won a major trophy which is no mean feat and if we want to get really desperate led us to our highest league position for years. That might be something to shout about if it had been 3rd or even top 6. Given that it simply meant we didn’t have to worry about relegation that season I don’t think it’s going to carry much weight with anyone outside of St. Mirren. However, the key measure of “best Manager” is not only what these guys did in their short time with us, but what they did in their careers. For both Danny and Gus, their time with us proved to be the height of their careers. Both were sacked by us and both have done feck all of any note since then. JR presided over the biggest turnaround our club has seen in its modern history, taking us from certain relegation to the 3rd tier, to league champions in the space of a season and a half. He didn’t leave us because he was sacked, he left because a much bigger club recognised his undoubted talent and wanted to procure his services. So he is already doing a bigger job that Gus or Danny could ever have dreamt of doing and it’s my prediction that he will go on to be a top manager. Time will tell on that. Unfortunately for us, because he was so successful and talented, we’ll never get to know what he might have done for us given the same tenure as Gus and Danny. For the above reasons, JR is without doubt “arguably” the best manager we have had since Fergie.

Thank you both and thank you for neither of you being childish enough to point out that I said Baird rather than Tansey! Mind you, on the question itself, I think I’m more confused now than I was before I asked it.

Dunno. What is a "fan-boy"? Does that mean I appreciate what JR did for us and wish him well in the future? If so, then yes. Does it mean I'm a grown up and understand that sometimes people deservedly move on to better things? If so, then yes. Not sure what my opinion of JR has to do with you being so eaten up with resentment towards arguably our best manager since Fergie, because he dared to move to a considerably better job, that you go out of your way each week to check Sunderland's score hoping they have been pumped.

I for one would say that makes you a sad loser.