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    Sonny got a reaction from Scanlon's Left Peg in Paisley - My Pics Of Old Or Unusual Buildings Or Places Of Interest.   
    I have been working on a wee project of photographing old or unusual buildings in Paisley as Paisley has some absolutely great architecture. I am also photographing places of local interest.
    I thought I would post one of the images every few days. These images will initially have no information. However, to test your local knowledge, I would be grateful if someone else could identify and provide the name and location of the building; mention anything about its history or any memories you may have with the building or place.
    For the FFF's it may bring a tear (or remind you why you left). For everyone else it may bring you a smile, some good memories or improve your local history. Some images will be very easy and beyond identification and other images may be more taxing.
    The first image (in this long series) should not be too hard for most of you to identify -
    PICTURE 1

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    Sonny got a reaction from Bud the Baker in Paisley - My Pics Of Old Or Unusual Buildings Or Places Of Interest.   
    I have been working on a wee project of photographing old or unusual buildings in Paisley as Paisley has some absolutely great architecture. I am also photographing places of local interest.
    I thought I would post one of the images every few days. These images will initially have no information. However, to test your local knowledge, I would be grateful if someone else could identify and provide the name and location of the building; mention anything about its history or any memories you may have with the building or place.
    For the FFF's it may bring a tear (or remind you why you left). For everyone else it may bring you a smile, some good memories or improve your local history. Some images will be very easy and beyond identification and other images may be more taxing.
    The first image (in this long series) should not be too hard for most of you to identify -
    PICTURE 1

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    Sonny got a reaction from scottd in Paisley - My Pics Of Old Or Unusual Buildings Or Places Of Interest.   
    I have been working on a wee project of photographing old or unusual buildings in Paisley as Paisley has some absolutely great architecture. I am also photographing places of local interest.
    I thought I would post one of the images every few days. These images will initially have no information. However, to test your local knowledge, I would be grateful if someone else could identify and provide the name and location of the building; mention anything about its history or any memories you may have with the building or place.
    For the FFF's it may bring a tear (or remind you why you left). For everyone else it may bring you a smile, some good memories or improve your local history. Some images will be very easy and beyond identification and other images may be more taxing.
    The first image (in this long series) should not be too hard for most of you to identify -
    PICTURE 1

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    Sonny reacted to Stuart Dickson in Your alternative option to the CIC   
    Somner, obviously I'm not a supporter of the club but I had signed up to 10000hours CIC proposal. The reason was that I was interested in the community element. I want to see senior football clubs in Scotland go down the route of genuinely partnering, sharing, and co-operating with community groups rather than doing what they have to do to tick a box on a McDonalds or Lloyds TSB community sponsorship programme in a bid to pocket money that would be better directed at those who really do have the grassroots of the game at heart. I also think it's the only real business model that can allow a modern day Scottish Club to grow it's attendances and it's public appeal in a sustainable manner over the long term.
    The CIC programme meant that the community involvement would be protected as they had to be a part of the programme. Having listened to the Well Society proposal and having followed the online information surrounding it, it strikes me that although community involvement is a stated aim there is no protection at all to ensure community involvement. It's simply something for future elected members to consider - which is a bit shite iMO so I would need to see how much protection was offered in a St Mirren proposal to go down a similar road before deciding whether I'd be interested in being a member or not.
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    Sonny reacted to civilsaint in Meeting on Thursday Confirmed   
    Yet again you fail to read what was written. Why do you keep mentioning 6 weeks? No one said all will be complete in 6 weeks. The reference to "6 weeks" is the time it takes for legalities to complete once funding is in place.
    Do keep up.
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    Sonny reacted to fraz131 in Craig Dargo   
    This really annoys me about some saints fans! We see about 5mins of McQuade in a game and 'hes not a player' and 'he'll never make it'. Judge him once he has played at least a handfull of games then you may be entitled to say hes not good enough, but you never know he may surprise you! But i guess youve already made up your mind.
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    Sonny reacted to ktf in maxi group   
    Of course, this all makes sense. As the hope that Yul/Animal and the others had of discrediting the CiC concept by criticising the business plan and process runs out, they switch to a REA-specific campaign of slander. Trying, on the way, to second guess the decisions of players like SMiSA and other partners/members, which has also proven to be an unsuccessful strategy as it their guesses have all been incorrect.
    Once again though, having been unable to find any actual dirt on REA they instead make things up - just like the SMiSA/Kibble stories that had been touted and turned out to be false. The "Mag7ers" B&W Army's equivalent to the News Of The World, except worse.
    Post after post based on hearsay, third-hand alleged information, poor research, fantasy, speculation and unfounded nonsense. Well done you guys for your well worked campaign, it has been so successful. You must be so proud.
    I often wonder why political parties don't fight more of their campaigns on what they will do, how they are good and why you should vote for them. Instead they focus on why the others are shite, liars, incompetent and lead debaucherous lives. Kind of left wondering why these guys don't come straight out and say why the CiC is bad, offer a better solution and let us get on with the job of deciding.
    Crawl back into your rancid little hovel and hatch another ill-constructed plan to bring the club and town to its knees, it'll be fun to watch you fail again.
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    Sonny reacted to St. Sid in SMiSA agree to contribute £50k to 10000 Hours CIC with conditions   
    SMiSA do have the best interests of the club at heart, but more importantly they view the fans as being one of the most important elements of the club. They have been involved in the CIC proposal process from the off. You claimed that they have found out something that you failed to disclose that would see them withdrawing their support. Surely a more appropriate question would be for you to finally provide some specifics around your ad nauseum "concerns".
    I do have some insight into SMiSA's conditions having attended one of their meeting with the CIC. There is no great show stopping revelations, there is no dramatic got you...just sensible and productive suggestions around the investment that will enhance the CIC and SMiSA's involvement. Your question is a belter, "If you are handing over £50,000 to someone do you not want to know this?" - It is between SMiSA and the CIC, if you are not a member of SMiSA then it has nothing to with you just as the details of the commercial CIC has nothing to do with you. I am not a member of SMiSA and I am guessing that you are not either. The only relevance here is that St Mirren's largest supporters group is supporting the CIC - the rest is their business.
    Another daft question - "Will the money not simply go to Mr.Gilmour and Co. ?" - You contradict yourself in the posts you make following your initial breech. The money will be getting used to realise the majority of SMiSA's ambitions - the goals that they were set up to achieve. These guys have worked their bawz off to support the current BoD in getting the club to the position it is in today. They have done great things supporting and developing the community side of St Mirren too. The CIC will see that hard work taken to an entire new level.
    "If the CIC collapses in a year or two how will the £50,000 be paid back ?" Again, that is between SMiSA and the CIC and whatever the arrangement is between the two parties. The negotiations have been going on for over a year. It is all speculative blah, blah again.....the CIC cannot fail - the only unlikely failing would be if the final funding does not get awarded. No money is being taken from any organisation until that funding is in place.
    "How many shares in SMFC Ltd will the £50,000 buy ?" - It will go towards the 52% shareholding that is being bought by the CIC that will allow SMiSA to realise its ambitions as a fans organisation.
    It is time to accept that the CIC and St Mirren are one and the same and start supporting your club.
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    Sonny reacted to Mr Zo in SMiSA agree to contribute £50k to 10000 Hours CIC with conditions   
    SMISA already hold shares in St Mirren.
    What is your personal gripe with Richard Atkinson or your grievance with the consortium getting money for their shares?
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    Sonny reacted to div in The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours   
    I bothered to find out about the CIC because it affects the football club I support. I had concerns, I asked the questions, I got answers.
    I went to the public meeting, I heard other peoples concerns, I noted the answers and even put them on a public website verbatim to try and communicate them to fans who couldn't attend.
    I made my own mind up about the CIC and whether it was good for the club or not because I COULD be bothered.
    I have said before I will be joining the CIC as an individual member, nothing more. I am not "getting" anything out of the CIC any more than any other St.Mirren supporter who wants to see the club try something different. If it doesn't work it doesn't work, the club goes back up for sale and is sold to someone else who may or may not be good for the club.
    You can make your own mind up about "Yul" and "Animal", both the same person, and their agenda about trying to de-rail the CIC. Ask yourself why they attended the public meetings yet said NOTHING, why they refused a 1:1 offer from Richard and the team to address their concerns in person, why they ignored a request to attend a public debate, them versus the CIC to air all their concerns in public ?
    Why would they continue to hide ? What is it they are trying or hoping to achieve ?
    They may well have very valid concerns and if they do I'd love to hear them but all I am hearing is bitching about not being able to buy a scarf.
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    Sonny reacted to boneshaker in 10000 Hours Q&A Thread   
    I fear that our club will be dead within three years. End of the road. Laughing stock.
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    Sonny reacted to St. Sid in The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours   
    I hope your role in dealing with funding bodies didn't involve document creation as that spelling blooper would see hee-haw funding being allocated. Setting a deadline for a funding body would be suicide in terms of the bid. Their due dilligence might be frustrating; however it is everyone's interest, especially the club and the fans that we get it all right. Momentum is no longer an issue really. The dd forms are in, and the target number has been reached with lots to spare making that element of the process rock solid. It is now time to let the CIC team close out the deal.
    The social funds have nothing to do with closing public amenities. In fact it is the exact opposite. Social funders are a very different animal from c"ntcils. For a start, they are a shitload more ethical than the c"ntcils. They are also much more cognicent in spending their money and they will also look to protect the amenity they invest in. They should be regarded highly in this process and not like a bank or a c"ntcil. They will be very much partners in the process rather than exploiters.
    Ironic that REA has announced a soiled knicker cleaning service the day before your panty breech.
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    Sonny reacted to 10000hours in The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours   
    Thanks for your comment. We appreciate that it has been quiet from the 10000hours for a week or two now, but believe me it has been busy in the background and we will be sending out update info to the "pledger" etc later today.
    However I can assure you that the the "not owning 100% of the club and how the money can be legally spent" is not an issue from a funding perspective, at all.
    10000hours
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    Sonny reacted to delpierro in What would you do?   
    .......................and government grant is a no no!!
    the end, again
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    Sonny reacted to delpierro in What would you do?   
    this whole cic, is a dead duck, it aint gonna happen. so take yer christian fundamentalist shit and and stay away from st mirren.
    the end.
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    Sonny reacted to Stuart Dickson in 10000 Hours Q&A Thread   
    Great post Gruffalo, but I think you're wrong about this bit. I think there is every chance that 10000hours could and would survive without St Mirren FC and it's fans. It could just move on to another project. There are already many examples of CIC's and SEN's that have been operating successfully right across Scotland. Some are running swimming pools, or sports centres. Some are running bike clubs. And ofcourse we all know about Edinburgh Spartans, Stenhousmuir and Clyde and where they are at too. Indeed 10000hours and their like would be welcomed by all manner of community groups who are looking to become less reliant on grants and public sector handouts and to start generating their own income.
    If St Mirren miss out I think it's very much their loss. There is massive potential here but if the fans are struggling to see it as more than just a pub then I've got serious doubts the potential will ever be realised. Remember the candidates for election to the respective boards are going to be answerable to Individial Membership, many of whom simply won't / can't see the bigger picture.
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    Sonny reacted to 10000hours in 10000 Hours Q&A Thread   
    The bar is not going to be operated by an external operator but by the CIC. The CIC will make the profit on a match day and not an individual operator.
    It is just not practical to issue the sort of level of detail that would give enough for comment on at this point, but be assured that the plan has been assessed in some detail by independent organisations and found to be robust.
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    Sonny reacted to 10000hours in 10000 Hours Q&A Thread   
    6. A past posting from 10000hrs mentioned that 'there are experienced people within 10000hrs' able to run the new bar. Who are these people and what is there background? Are they connected to RA in any way?

    We have as part of the team ILPH's and others who have owned and operated such facilities in the past.
    We just have not done it that way, but instead focused on raising the support first. 10000hours is a Community interest Company, and it was considered more important to confirm that the community was first interested than putting out more deatailed financials. If the deal concludes then the business plans will be avaliable to be fully scrutinised by the membership.
    Less money in obviously means less money avaliable to support and pay back any debt elements of the 2m fund raising. However the business plan is robust and very conservative and the pledges are currently running a more than twice what the buisness plan requires.
    No
    In one event:
    Kibble benifited by providing the food and service, they were both paid but importantly can also identify over 1000hours of training that they have provided to their user groups in the performance of the operation
    One of the other organisations rasied a 5 figure sum via the event
    The club took a four figure sum in bar takings
    We are sorry you feel it has been poorly explained. we are happy to meet one on one if you feel you would benefit from further explanation
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    Sonny got a reaction from whydowebother in Speculation Thread   
    Are you kidding? He couldn't cut it at Morton or QoS but you want him to team up with Thompson in the SPL? He was rubbish first time round and nothing suggest he has suddenly developed into an SPL striker.
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    Sonny got a reaction from robert128 in Speculation Thread   
    Are you kidding? He couldn't cut it at Morton or QoS but you want him to team up with Thompson in the SPL? He was rubbish first time round and nothing suggest he has suddenly developed into an SPL striker.
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    Sonny got a reaction from ktf in Have you honoured your Pledge?   
    No I dont have privy to anything that is not already out there. The CiC offer is the only game in town so its the only one I can consider and its the only one that is allowing the fans to be involved. The selling consortium rejected the other offers so its not a point for any further discussion and was irrelevant to the supporters anyway in that they had no influence one way or another. If the consortium had accepted another deal then we would just have had to accept it as well. No discussion. No debate. No involvement.
    The objective of the CiC is very admirable - helping the local community as well as the club - and many who have got to know RA vouch for his enthusiasm and ideas and believe him to be honest. Any outstanding issues anyone may have can be addressed personally to the man in a one-to-one meeting. Not many take overs would offer that level of personal discussion.
    At the end of the day you either buy into a dream or you dont. For any dream to be realised an amount of faith is required. Div alluded to the need to keep momentum going. In any situation you have to make a decision then back it to the hilt until you find further challenges then you review and change accordingly. Doing nothing but fretting on the sidelines creates negative energy and nothing changes.
    I suggest that anyone who has unresolved questions either posts them on the Q&A thread or takes up RA's open offer to meet. Make a decision and if its a yes then go for it with enthusiasm.
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    Sonny got a reaction from frank mc's in Have you honoured your Pledge?   
    No I dont have privy to anything that is not already out there. The CiC offer is the only game in town so its the only one I can consider and its the only one that is allowing the fans to be involved. The selling consortium rejected the other offers so its not a point for any further discussion and was irrelevant to the supporters anyway in that they had no influence one way or another. If the consortium had accepted another deal then we would just have had to accept it as well. No discussion. No debate. No involvement.
    The objective of the CiC is very admirable - helping the local community as well as the club - and many who have got to know RA vouch for his enthusiasm and ideas and believe him to be honest. Any outstanding issues anyone may have can be addressed personally to the man in a one-to-one meeting. Not many take overs would offer that level of personal discussion.
    At the end of the day you either buy into a dream or you dont. For any dream to be realised an amount of faith is required. Div alluded to the need to keep momentum going. In any situation you have to make a decision then back it to the hilt until you find further challenges then you review and change accordingly. Doing nothing but fretting on the sidelines creates negative energy and nothing changes.
    I suggest that anyone who has unresolved questions either posts them on the Q&A thread or takes up RA's open offer to meet. Make a decision and if its a yes then go for it with enthusiasm.
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    Sonny reacted to St. Sid in Final Q&A & Sign Up Meeting   
    Perhaps I can help.
    The motivation is in fact very important. Posting a question about the CIC is absolutely to be encouraged. A question such as "will a CIC provide additional protection for the clubs assets? Pretty good question. "What does the charge lodged with Companies House mean?" Again a very good question. Sadly the good questions are being lost in a bile of accusation and consiracy, that actually detracts from both the question and the answer and leaves the questioner looking like a c*ck.
    How can we discuss an anonymous Internet aliases personal history? All the personal stuff is being directed at the consortium, Richie Rich, The Kibble and even Div, who bizarrely enough has supplied us with an excellent online resource to discuss the f'k'n thing in the first place. uhhu didn;t like the answer, it didn't deliver the results his motivation desired so he moves on to a frankly pathetic attempt at suggesting she / he has further revelations in the bag - a similar nonsense tactic being employed by the Yul alias. As has rightly been pointed out, the floor is open - let's hear the revelations, let's hear the reasons the CIC should not go ahead - because at the moment the anti-CIC posts do look driven by personal agendas.
    We should care if the posters motivation is being driven by personal issues. It is quite important. If the motivation is to try and block the consortium getting their payday at the expense of the club moving forward at all costs then we should certainly be aware of that. And there is certainly an element of that doing the rounds. The CIC should be judged on what it brings to the club moving forward; not on chipped shoulders of individuals.
    He is entitled to his opinion, just as I and anyone else is entitled to have an opinion that a fellow poster is a bawbag.
    If you don't agree make your point and move on. Posting that you have more revelations to make in the future isn't adding to the debate is it - it is just [email protected] of the highest order at what is a critical time for the club.
    Surely, making claims that you have revelations about the CIC and the people proposing it is more the behaviour of someone trying to lead a witchhunt campaign. uhhu cannot make a claim like that and expect not to be called on it.
    I have said it in many previous posts. The serious questions should go into the Q&A. That is what should be influencing people. Serious questions and serious answers. Not the mudslinging of disgruntled dafties with chips on their shoulders and their childish attempts to raise doubt with providing any substance for their unjustified anti-CIC stance.
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    Sonny got a reaction from WeeBud in The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours   
    As a supporter and season ticket holder for 40 years I have been looking at all this with interest but have not commented before now.
    Nothing in life provides future-proof guarantees. There are always uncertainties with anything whether thats a job, marriage or a CIC buyout. Ultimately you can only make decisions by studying the information you currently have, seek advice or opinion elsewhere but finally you have to trust your instinct and make a choice.
    The good thing about any choice is that if it isn't the correct choice you can make another choice at a later date. Always.
    After perusing the information and opinions placed before me, I like the whole idea of the CiC model. I like the fact that the ethos is more than just the football club but is also about people out there in the community. A community spirit is something which Western society has little of. Providing opportunities to those disadvantaged or those that require support or providing frameworks for new ventures is a great goal which should also bring many benefits to the club. My knowledge, to date, and instinct tell me to endorse it.
    There are those who obviously have reservations (no pun intended, Yul). However they are making a mockery of this important debate by not addressing their reservations in an open and honest way so that issues can be addressed and dealt with. This sniping away in whispers from the corner does no-one any good and nullifies any serious points the snipers may have. If the snipers have valid points then lets hear them in an open and constructive way because at the moment they are just turning people off. And if their points are ultimately justifiable then THEY should be blamed for their childish behaviour with no 'I told you so' chest beating as they are NOT telling us coherently what these reservations are.
    This situation reminds me of Ian Gray's performances against Alex Salmond every week where all he ever did was moan away in a quiet voice without ever offering valid points or suggesting solutions. It gets boring.
    If the dissenters have something to say then say it and give us alternatives to consider or else shut up. You are helping no-one at the moment especially your own credibility. If you have valid points please make them sensibly so they can be discussed and answered by 10000hours and provide more information to the knowledge base for decision making. At the moment you are doing a dis-service to your fellow supporters.
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    Sonny got a reaction from Yflab in The Club Buy Out - 10000 Hours   
    As a supporter and season ticket holder for 40 years I have been looking at all this with interest but have not commented before now.
    Nothing in life provides future-proof guarantees. There are always uncertainties with anything whether thats a job, marriage or a CIC buyout. Ultimately you can only make decisions by studying the information you currently have, seek advice or opinion elsewhere but finally you have to trust your instinct and make a choice.
    The good thing about any choice is that if it isn't the correct choice you can make another choice at a later date. Always.
    After perusing the information and opinions placed before me, I like the whole idea of the CiC model. I like the fact that the ethos is more than just the football club but is also about people out there in the community. A community spirit is something which Western society has little of. Providing opportunities to those disadvantaged or those that require support or providing frameworks for new ventures is a great goal which should also bring many benefits to the club. My knowledge, to date, and instinct tell me to endorse it.
    There are those who obviously have reservations (no pun intended, Yul). However they are making a mockery of this important debate by not addressing their reservations in an open and honest way so that issues can be addressed and dealt with. This sniping away in whispers from the corner does no-one any good and nullifies any serious points the snipers may have. If the snipers have valid points then lets hear them in an open and constructive way because at the moment they are just turning people off. And if their points are ultimately justifiable then THEY should be blamed for their childish behaviour with no 'I told you so' chest beating as they are NOT telling us coherently what these reservations are.
    This situation reminds me of Ian Gray's performances against Alex Salmond every week where all he ever did was moan away in a quiet voice without ever offering valid points or suggesting solutions. It gets boring.
    If the dissenters have something to say then say it and give us alternatives to consider or else shut up. You are helping no-one at the moment especially your own credibility. If you have valid points please make them sensibly so they can be discussed and answered by 10000hours and provide more information to the knowledge base for decision making. At the moment you are doing a dis-service to your fellow supporters.
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