Stuart Dickson

Hmm, I take it "Repairman" is the same person who just phoned my son's mobile phone to make interesting threats? You know, just when you think football forums couldn't scrape much lower, here we go again...

SMiSA claims it is a Community Benefit Society - it's on the foot of every page on their website, and it's stated in the SMiSA Constitution. https://www.fca.org.uk/publication/finalised-guidance/fg15-12.pdf Check out page 31 of this document Further How can the SMISA Directors equate their gift of £9k to a Commercial Business and an further £15k interest free loan with this legal requirement And finally would you say that SMiSA is compliant with this

Aye it's great. Now we can see at least once a month that there is no leadership or direction at the club.

Phew, eh? SMiSA's board only has 11 members. That's me shut up isn't it? Well no - not at all. SMiSA is a Community Benefit Society and as such it has legal obligations. I think it would struggle to explain to the FCA why it granted a gift from the profits of the society to a commercial business to cover the cost of wages.

Bonkers :rolleyes:

Why would anyone have to pander to me once they've had a look at the ideas? I'm not looking for a job, just a better football club. Tell me DJ - how do you square the latest Gordon Scott update with the individuals at the club? Do you think Lynn Watson is too busy scouting for players to improve the level of customer service she offers as "Club Secretary"? Do you think Campbell Kennedy is too busy working on a new formation for the first team to look at new ways to bring in greater amounts of commercial revenue into the club? Do you think that David Nicol or Alan Wardrop are so busy coaching the first team squad that they haven't had a moment to look at how the club markets itself around the local town? And do you really think that Gordon Scott and Tony Fitzpatrick are so busy working on their matchday drills that they haven't been able to look at the efficiency of the various operations around the club to ensure they earn the money the club needs to fix the undersoil heating, or to add to the playing budget before going cap in hand to the community benefit society for gifts and interest free loans of money? Sure the playing squad needs to win matches to get St Mirren out of it's relegation predicament, but if those who aren't involved in the football side of the operation aren't focused on their roles then the club is only going to slide further into the abyss. It doesn't take money to sort out the way customers are treated by staff at the club. It doesn't take money to work with sports clubs in the local area to set up a buying group that enhances the clubs negotiating position when looking for a new kit deal. It doesn't take money to drive up the use of facilities within the stadium to work with local sports clubs and charity groups on fundraisers. To claim all of that has been sidelined while all focus is on the playing side of the club is utterly ridiculous.

Oh dear. Oaksoft has finally flipped again....

Nonsense. Successful companies all over the world pay fortunes for honest good quality customer feedback and value it as they build their strategies for further growth. I'm providing honest feedback and it appears that whilst others prefer a more moderate approach there is agreement with some of the issues I've highlighted. The fact that you think honest customer feedback is destructive and dysfunctional speaks volumes about the levels of delusion you like to be cocooned in. I've offered SMISA and St Mirren my help. They've chosen, it appears, not to want it. That is their prerogative as is it mines to criticise when I think it is merited

Yes often. But when I cite them as examples you tell me I'm boring and making it all about me. I'd be extremely surprised if you had ever worked in a successful team though especially given the kind of communication you appear to like

Oh oh! Meltdown warning....again. The man who has time to troll a football forum to tell me that everyone is ignoring me over and over and over again, now doesn't have time to be demeaning and destructive.

Its no surprise you love living and working amongst people who won't be critical of your efforts and who will pay you regardless.

Time for what Shull? The first responsibility of any business boardroom should be to review business operations and to stop the slide in the profitablilty of the company. There's people at the club earning a hefty wage every month and their job isn't to coach players, to scout players, or to manage any of the football teams. Why is progress in their areas of the business not being pushed at all?

Why? I'm not being funny but what exactly are Gordon Scott, Tony Fitzpatrick, David Nicol, Alan Wardrop, Campbell Kennedy, Lynn Watson etc doing that means they are so focused on the playing side of the business that they can't improve business operations, look for more business, or target forging links with the local community right now? Surely the playing side of the business is the responsibility of Jack Ross, his coaches and his players? So far all we've seen from the club off the field is a change of printers for the match day programme taking business out of the town, the loss of a large sportswear contract with JD Sports, the expansion of the airport car parking operation to take even more parking spaces away from supporters, and some of the worst customer service from the likes of Lynn Watson and Tony Fitzpatrick who have only served to exacerbate problems around the club and to do more damage to the already poor match day experience

So it's 8+1+2? Has anyone informed Kenny Morrison yet that he's not on the SMiSA board? He seemed to think he and David Riley were and that David Nicol wasn't when he posted. Thanks for providing some clarity, eventually Peter, but what a f**king car crash this has been. Why did it take so long for anyone to give a clear answer? Did you need to consult with each other before knowing who is on the SMiSA board and who isn't? What about the rest of the constitutional questions I asked? Are SMISA indeed a Community Benefit Society and if so why hasn't SMISA done more for the local community? A £500 donation to the food bank pales into insignificance when you gift £9k to a local Limited Company and and interest fee loan of £15k to the same company. Isn't it stretching the truth massively to claim you are working to put the football club at the heart of the community? I see from Gordon Scotts latest updates that he bumped progress in match day experience and community involvement further down the road as he fixes the floor in the canteen in Ralston. Why not eh? After all every successful business puts their customers and potential customer market far behind any other priority. Oh wait.... No they don't.

Well since we're going round in circles on an example I didn't cite in the first place with post after post proving many on these forums are incapable of reading I think the point about stupid St Mirren fans has been proved.

You forget friendlies, cup ties etc. I'm sure more than 10 units would be shifted over those matches

Yeah and if you could read to the end of the post you'll see I've said that also. Just to be clear I have never suggested that selling pies would be the grand plan for salvation for St Mirren. Oaksoft made that shite up however in his point scoring excersize he referred to turnover rather than profit. I've shown how St Mirren would increase turnover selling pies and juice packages themselves but I have also stated several times that whilst that would increase turnover that didn't mean it would be more profitable. Oaksoft has made a complete c**t of himself and Coward and his daft mate Slarti have proved only that both of them can't read. It's sad really. A terrible indictment for the state of the Scottish education System.

See where it says 455. You can apologise now

I did state that. You still can't read

Yes. If the caterer makes a single payment in and there is no club expenditure on that catering item then the turnover and profit equals that single payment. If the club then sacks the caterers and runs the outlet itself it has to buy in the pies and the juice and sell them. This would increase the turnover but not necessarily the profit. That's the point I've been making. Oaksoft completely got it wrong

By f**k you are thick. If you get a single payment from the catering company that is your turnover and your profit. If you sell the pies yourself you increase turnover but not necessarily profit. There's no confusion on my part but your ear biting response shows your ineptitude. Pathetic really.

I offered help six months ago so I'm guessing you aren't talking about me. However I do find it interesting that you chose to defend the SMISA board despite it becoming increasingly clear just how shambolic the operation is. Over the last few days we've had confusion over whether there are 9, 10, 11, 12 or 13 members on the SMiSA board. We've had one person - Kenny Morrison - claim that there are 12 people on the board including himself and David Riley amongst that number. Then we've had David Riley tell us that he and Kenny have never been co-opted in and that they have no input or influence over the board other than attending meetings and being asked their opinion. No-one seems to be able to give a definitive answer on whether David Nicol is still on the SMiSA board or whether he resigned his position after being elected as the SMiSA representative on the St Mirren board. There's others who you would assume were on the SMiSA board from the tone of their posts, although since they hide behind an alias it's impossible to know, who claim that SMiSA aren't a Community Benefit Society despite SMISA's registered listing with the Charity Commission stating that they are, and the same person claiming that the community SMISA is supposed to be "putting the club at the heart of" is the supporters of the club - who already have the club in their heart. You've got a decision taken without membership approval to grant an interest free loan from member funds to a commercial business, and a restricted vote that excluded any alternative options from being put forward to the membership for consideration, which has granted the commercial business a £9k gift from member funds to help cover staff wages. This laughingly being sold to members as being essential to save St Mirren, who have an annual wage budget of over £1.2m, from relegation. In the six months I was a member I saw a bid from the SMiSA board to limit the number of candidates for election as SMiSA representative on the football club board, with their restrictive job description which has since been removed from the web and I've seen the SMISA board take executive decisions to exclude spending suggestions from members from their voting choices. From the outside looking in SMiSA is an utter clusterf**k and it's dangerously laughable that members are continuing to donate their £12 - or £25 per month - without looking for proof that the SMiSA board is meeting it's obligations in a manner that is remotely competent. A serious concern has to be the lack of published minutes from their meetings and the lack of openness and accountability from the board. People can do what they like with their own money - I choose not to hand mine over to people I can't trust to deliver on the promises in their pre takeover blub and on their own constitution.

The funniest thing is it took him more than 6 hours after his first response to the post about Benburb to come back with that. Poor Oaksoft.

Oh dear. And here your business acumen shows itself up yet again. First off it's not the sole item on my list of improvements i'd make. It's not even one of them. However if we take what you have just said and look at it from the perspective of increasing turnover it's not that stupid an idea at all. See currently, if I am reading the accounts correctly, St Mirren take in a maximum annual income of £16,400 for the catering operation at the club. This assumes that the stories about the club shop are correct and that St Mirren have never made a penny in rent, commission or licensing from the club shop operators. Now to achieve a turnover that equates to this the club would have to sell just 455 pie and juice packages per home league match at £2.00 each to increase turnover. I'm certain that would be easily achievable. Of course a bigger challenge would be to make that profitable - but I don't need to worry about that here since you are trying to point score using the turnover figure as the target.

Saving Mr Banks was on a few days back. That's an excellent movie. Tom Hanks as Walt Disney and Emma Thompson as the incredible PL Travers. Watch right to the end of the titles and you get to hear the actual tapes proving the account was as accurate as the could make it. Brilliant stuff. Also thoroughly enjoyed the two part series about Walt Disney on the beeb as well. It reminded me very much of the often overlooked attraction at Walt Disney World called Walt Disney A Man's Dream in Hollywood Studios. I'd been many times before we ever went in there. The truth is my girlfriend forced me in there to sit and have a wee rest! We all came out believing that was the best attraction in that park.