Stuart Dickson

Yes maybe I could but the point is you aren't comparing like with like. The Dons Trust doesn't have an asset lock in place, and just because it mentions the Community in their constitution doesn't make it a Community Benefit Society. And regardless to all of that - it's quite clear that the "We Are Wimbledon Fund" - the fund you refer to as being for the hire of football players - is run separately from the Dons Trust. 

Fact Check: St Mirren are bottom of the Championship - the Second Tier of Scottish Football - 22nd place.... And only that high because it's physically impossible for other teams to go above St Mirren. St Mirren have won 2 league matches all season - just 2. St Mirren have one of top four highest wage budgets in the Championship. Despite an annual turnover in excess of £2m and the wage budget being below the PCW maximum recommended figure the St Mirren board had to ask a Community Benefit Society for a £15k interest free loan to fix an Undersoil Heating system that hasn't been needed all winter long and which really ought never to be used. The also had to ask the Community Benefit Society for a £9k gift, a possible breach of the asset lock, which the Community Benefit Society sold to their members as being vital to give St Mirren the best possible chance of avoiding relegation. This appears to have been blown signing a self confessed sex pest who Aberdeen fans say has become bored with football, who was massively culpable in the 9-1 trouncing Aberdeen U21s took from a Motherwell squad with an average age of 17 and who appears to have chosen not to play for his new club at the weekend so he can enjoy a holiday.

And in the meantime the new board has managed to lose a £100k+ pa kit and sponsorship deal and it seems has put a stop to the selling of scratch cards at the stadium, an enterprise that was said to to have brought in £30k last season. And in the meantime promises to customers about free tickets for beating the Chairman in a road race and promises of an event for fans displaced at the end of last season for the "Rangers" match continue to be broken.

Yet some will still tell us all is well at the club, that Jack Ross is a superb manager, that Gordon Scott and Tony Fitzpatrick are doing a great job, that SMISA are beyond criticism and that everything is the fault of the last board who apparently left such a tangled mess no-one has been able to do anything for 6 months. Recruiting new fans is on hold. Whilst others celebrate the news that some season tickets won't be getting renewed. And the single hope of some positive business news that the club seems to be clinging on to is that Hibs might weaken their promotion challenge by selling John McGinn so St Mirren can cash in on their small proportion of the transfer fee. 

Club in crisis - I'd f**king say so as would any sober level headed individual

Aye why not. I'll give it a go. 
Of course last time I did that Barry Mitchell told me that I shouldn't expect an answer from there. If I wanted an answer I should e-mail. When I e-mail they ignore that. And when I post on this thread the SMISA board members ignore me too - although they'll respond to others. The one poor guy who did try to give an official response, turned out to be a bit deluded as he wasn't a board member despite thinking he clearly was, and the other guy who has responded under cover of an alias in a confident and assertive manner saying SMISA isn't a Community Benefit Society, appears to have been totally incorrect and one assumes has also never been a SMiSA board member. And it seems the only responses with any clarity have come from members who have pronounced that they don't care how SMiSA runs, or what they do with their money, they are just happy to keep emptying their pockets regardless. 
But I'll play the game Kombi. I'll try the forum.
 

Seems rather co-incidental. A coward hiding behind an alias, with a handful of posts does a bit of online stalking and digs out a picture and within minutes someone "just happens" to anonymously phone my son to make a number of threats. It's the third time it's happened over a number of years. The previous two incidents were reported to the police and this time round has also been reported. And funnily enough in each one of these "incidents" the coward has chosen to threaten one of my sons rather than have a go at me. 

I assumed that the SMISA elections, since they achieved the first stage in their shareholding aim,were of the same form as others i have been involved in, in that all those standing for election had to declare the names of any social media alias that they had, it would appear that this is not the case.

Not just on the park. The club is devoid of leadership ANYWHERE in the whole organisation right now. 

Definitely been an interesting read. The main points to defend Ross seem to be nothing to do with him, but the opinion that we can't keep sacking managers.

The rationale seems to be we can't sack Ross because we've had six managers in the last three years . Indeed Scott said it himself 'the merry go round of managers has to stop ' or similar. So Ross has an aura of invincibility around him, not because anything he has done, but because he is fortunate enough that the four previous holders of the position were all sacked less than nine months into the job.

This premise is rather bizarre, and puts us in an even worse position. Since Jack Ross has arrived results have went downhill rapidly. 8 points from 12 games is an absolutely disgraceful return for any team at any level, never mind for a club with our resources and fan base in the second tier.

Performances seem to be the one intangible factor some of his supporters cling to. Yet several performances under his tenure have been abjectly hopeless. This came to a head yesterday, when the most out of form team in the country came to Paisley and gubbed us 3 zip.

Im sure all would admit that the results aren't good enough and performances like yesterday aren't good enough... but apparently we should keep him anyway cause we can't keep sacking managers? How far does this go? How much failure do we tolerate from him due to his predecessors being hopeless?

If we stick by him - as I expect we will - we will likely be relegated before Easter. Not only we will almost certainly go down to the third tier for the first time in our 140 history, but we will go down without even putting up a fight.

As anyone who was there yesterday seen, the players aren't playing for the manager. Ross said it himself in his post match interview when he mentioned a lack of commitment.

He was right, but the question is, why is there a lack of commitment? You can forgive a lack of quality (and Christ knows we have that) but surely the very least we can expect a new manager to do is motivate the players available to fight for him and the club? As Ross admitted, he hasn't been able to do that.

Therefore we find ourselves not only heading to league 1, but nosediving to league 1. We are in nosedive with a rookie manager who has admitted he can't get the best out of the players at his disposal, but who is protected from talk of the sack due to the managers who came before him. It's truly a bizarre situation.

It's now just a question of how low Ross is allowed to take us before the BOD steps in and stops the slide. Only they know how low is too low, I have the fear thinking about it.

If LPM or any other poster on here is on the SMISA board then they should be posting under their own name.

I dont mind that much that you try to be an online "big man" and that your default setting seems to just to abuse those you disagree with but lies is a different thing as you very well know just like the SMISA bid the Club under any fanownership scheme would be saddled with ZERO debt.

But glad nonetheless that your were finally convince FO is a good idea...though not quite sure you yet grasp some of the finer points of Buliding a Community outwith the lifelong fan

Has the club reached that level of desperation?

And yet at the start of the season - at Livingston - expectation was high amongst the St Mirren support. The bookies had St Mirren as a top four team, and when I dared to point out that actually St Mirren hadn't played all that well at all despite the 3-2 win and I said that the team lacked energy and movement I was rounded upon by loads on this website who claimed the team would be in the play offs for a place in the top flight by the end of the season. 
 

Not just on the park. The club is devoid of leadership ANYWHERE in the whole organisation right now. 

rather he spoke like a ned and won games,wonder when ross will ever take the blame,ever,sick of his feeble excuses,week after week after week,depressing now

I liked this....

Agreed. What I heard from the commentary team was utterly cringe worthy. 

Agreed. He's not got the ability to save St Mirren, and I doubt he's got the ability to build a team that will get the club promoted again. Another woeful managerial appointment. 

Ocht Aye, just pump him.
Give the gig to Smisa and the fan ownership committee led by Fitzpatrick. At this rate of decline that will soon appear to be a logical step.
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Bring on the clowns...... we've already got a big hot air tent and a few Billy Smarts in the stands.

I liked this....

I've no idea why he would go into the crowd to argue with a fan. Whether the fan is an idiot or not.
Sounds to me like a distraction to his regular, woeful substitutions and the lack of motivation in his team.

Bang on with the BC point. Was responsible for more good players coming to Paisley than many managers

Enough.
Tick, tock.

Ricky, Div is right. The football club is a Ltd Company. SMiSA is a Community Benefit Society. SMiSA own shares in the Ltd company but they don't have a controlling stake or own it outright. SMiSA has an asset lock in place which should mean that none of it's assets can be gifted to a commercial business - yet SMiSA have just gifted St Mirren FC Ltd £9,000 of it's assets. 
The 1877 members bar is a bit more confusing. I was told recently that it actually does have a committee running it although there doesn't appear to have ever been an AGM where members can appoint their representatives to the committee, and there seems to be no process that would allow members to select the brewery they want their alcohol sourced from. 

Well exactly. Over the last few days anyone who has made a negative comment about the club has been lambasted. How the f**k can anyone claim we were wrong. On the park it's grim. Off the park it's grim. And fans are looking to Gordon Scott, Tony Fitzpatrick and SMISA to fix it for them. None of them look remotely capable. 

Well exactly. Over the last few days anyone who has made a negative comment about the club has been lambasted. How the f**k can anyone claim we were wrong. On the park it's grim. Off the park it's grim. And fans are looking to Gordon Scott, Tony Fitzpatrick and SMISA to fix it for them. None of them look remotely capable. 

I'd take Mallan off. I can't see what he's offering. Even the set pieces - he's signalling so you presume he's indicating where he's going to put the ball, yet with the same signal he's hitting the ball to different area's in the box, usually areas where there's no St Mirren players.