TsuMirren

I was offered a proxy, but didn't take it as I had better things to do. As highlighted before, SMISA is in no danger...it's just not operating as it should.

Oh, you're back...ahead of preparing for the AGM. "Throwing your toys" makes me cringe in the same way Gordon Scott saying "idiots on a forum" does any time he said it. Here's a toy...you ready? The vast majority of the SMISA committee felt the Glenvale option was a good option. Gordon raised an issue, which was put to us as "he may comment". David Nicol took it upon himself to not inform us that Gordon would indeed release a statement. David also didn't see an issue in the statement, with Colin Orr feeling SMISA shouldn't respond or even clarify things. Suddenly, various board members gauged every option on Gordon's view. The women's team were even told "we don't want another Glenvale" when presenting their proposal to us after they'd been launched BY THE CLUB! Right, anyway, enjoy the game and here's to at least a draw. COYS!

You are correct, but there will be very few options outside of what the club put forward. Panda Club has to be next, Sports Scientist may even compete with that one or both get split. Every other trinket, SMISA will be right there and David Nicol will advise it, Colin will agree, others will agree so long as there's an invoice and around 600 members will vote it all through. There's a survey to back it up on, not to mention a series of options the club have no appetite to take forward. The club have no appetite, so neither do SMISA as the committee just won't progress any of it. That's fan involvement, not control. Indeed, it's near enough the 10,000 Hours model with the members controlled by a sub-board the is entrenched in with the club board. If you're at the AGM, ask why it needs more than three people on the board. Ask why David Nicol feels he can withold key information. Ask why elected board members weren't given access to the takeover agreement. Ask why the club have asked SMISA to reconsider no votes.

660! The game's a bogey, end the £2 pot and just have the money going straight to the club. I wonder what the 597 others have been up to the past wee while. 660 is well down on previous votes, you can only imagine the vast majority of the 597 approve also.

Arrogance has nothing to do with stating that some people may be following like sheep. He's not saying everyone is, hell the SMISA committee members have used he phrase. Why get so upset if it doesn't relate to you? Now on to the AGM. Have you noticed they're not exactly going out their way to promote it? Last time was pretty poorly attended, can't see much difference tomorrow.

In all honesty, one man does and the rest really don't. If they had a forum, costed numerous options a month and looked in to a series of their own options then yes. They make it tough for themselves occasionally, but don't mistake that for it being tough.

Stunned you entered the raffle without first telling us all you had! As for "spitting the dummy", if you'd like to see how far I could spit it then just keep going. I've actually held off on a few things, which you'll know if you're as close to things as you've consistently displayed. So, for the good of SMISA and the club we love can you please stop patronising everyone.

What an absolute cluster #### of a response. The £10 will still be used, albeit via some of the £2 and though we're using some £10 we still see it as ring-fenced. "All we have done...", like a child with chocolate on it's face denying he/she stole the easter egg then ate it. Oh and "...complex...", really? Just total patronisation.

David Nicol will know before the members, so by default the club will have been informed. Whilst I'm at it, keep remembering stuff, the SMISA committee weren't comfortable paying the women's team via a club related account as agreed with a club director. Yet they're perfectly happy to dip the ring-fenced account to pay the club. Every block possible for the women, red carpet down for Gordon's requests.

It's £10 or £23 bud, only £2 comes off if you're paying £25 a month. Small change, just thought I'd raise it.

What a strangely familiar little phrase that is.

Yet, you know...or at least claim...that the club have contributed to the women's team when that information has NEVER been made public. Not in my update on the SMISA site, not in the vote text, not in a SMISA update and certainly not in Gordon's recent update as he forgot to mention the women's team in any shape or form in that. There have also been no on site updates regarding matches, next to nothing from the club on twitter and SMISA only really got interested because their logo was on something. So, either you are close to everything or you just made that claim up.

Running a proper fundraising campaign focused on the target of 50K for the purpose of contributing to the new 4G pitch surface. The club, SMISA board and SMISA committee have known about this for at least 9 months. Plenty of time to put the work in, plus if it truly does have community benefit then SMISA could have gained some funding. There may have been marquee contributors waiting out there, but we'll never know because "we're all volunteers". Far easier to sit it out and put this vote out at the last moment.

They don't see it as heat though Tony, or at least not heat they care about, we both know that. A group put the deal together, that group believe they and only they should be running this. Anything else is divisive, a few idiots complaining on a forum etc. No willing to engage, constantly making any board member who does feel like they've betrayed someone.

You can't keep basing things on the appetite of the majority, you need to at some point live up to your promises and stop being so reactive. Just going "800 have voted, the rest are applauding" isn't the road to go down.

I'm about 99.9% certain it's not gathering anything as we don't have it yet. I'm even struggling to get my head round how we'll have it in the summer. I was under the impression we didn't start accruing ring-fenced funds until after the former board are paid in full around August or so. Maybe the 50K loan facility is being re-directed then replenished.

It potentially takes money away from St Mirren, by giving those sponsorship items for free. Fans/members wanted new big ticket items from the £2 pot, not known operational whole life costings that then limit £2 spend due to paying the share money back.

What if the 45K was Daryl Duffy, Jordan Kirkpatrick and Ross Stewart? What if SMISA had just started a fundraising campaign 9 flaming months ago? I do admire your effort, heck you're almost using my post template from a few months back.

Why is it always spitting the dummy? it's also NOT a well costed idea. It looks to use the ring fenced funds, slashes the £2 pot dramatically and sees SMISA take on free sponsorship slots that the club could otherwise have gained funding through. If it's so great and meets SMISA's objectives, it shouldn't need associated trinkets.

How would you know the club have made a donation unless you were pretty close to things? That's never been made public! The conflict of interest was the money going elsewhere...simple as. They don't offer the same, don't offer free sessions and don't have a pathway for kids that age. The club spoke out against sessions for disadvantaged kids and I thought it was a disgrace. I almost resigned then and, indeed, probably should have. I had a vague recollection of your username being mentioned during committee meetings, I just can't quite remember who you are.

We've pushed the boat out on the playing budget, can't cover basics like balls, gym equipment and other equipment. The women's team have a justgiving page, £1,800 going elsewhere saw Gordon put a statement out to state SMISA were making things difficult and every SMISA poll sees cap in hand requests from the club. All this on the back of larger crowds, various transfer funds and having the kit sales in house. Maybe you see the SMISA funds as being within our means, but proof is there that we are pushing the limits if nothing else.

Of course, even supporting the proposal is an agenda. As is wanting all cash on the pitch, not voting, etc etc. Let's just address the elephant in the room, be adult, and admit we all have an agenda. I think it's mostly been quite constructive, healthy.

He gives evidence of Soccer Camps, you're still going on about other teams. The use highlighted is kids, in isolation, applying for slots on the Camps and paying to be on them. Again, I've already stated that's fine and I'm just highlighting the level of community use.

He's not, he's merely supportive of the proposal. Funnily enough, I'm not actually sure how much is accrued yet due to paying the former directors and enabling the 50K. At this point, it's possibly next to nothing. They could have put together a presentation highlighting the current picture, future projections and how redirecting the next four £10 phases of contribution could be palatable and still allow buy the buds to be completed on time. But, just that subtle difference would involve letting you all in the room just a wee bit.

It's a forum, erm urm not sure anyone is shouting. I've no doubt members of the SMISA committee would prefer we were all shouting, as again there'd be no discussion and nothing to read on here. Are you proposing that nobody posts? It may be a majority on here of people putting their views forward, but there's 1,257 SMISA members...let me know if I need to finish the obvious?