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While I agree with your opinion, for me this isn't the real issue.
It's more or less an argument for scrapping the forum - people posting a bunch of opinions when they are not 'qualified' to do so. Of course that happens; that's the whole point of the forum.
With a few notable exceptions, the vast majority of people who read and post on this forum are doing so because they care about Saints. If a lot of them are not happy, then I think the club should be paying attention and doing something about it. They are after all the target market for the club.
In my opinion the days of blind loyalty are a thing of the past. Saints exist is a market place where there are a lot of other competing forms of entertainment, looking to secure peoples money and attention. Saints need to pay attention to customer service and if a lot of customers are unhappy they will eventually move on to other things. If they want to expand their fan base in the long term and improve the club this area is going to be increasingly important.
I can't see a good argument for the media controlling anything, let alone people's opinions but I would have thought that the opinions of the suuporters would be a far more valuable resource for the club than the opinions of so called experts like Craig Burley, Hugh Keevins etc.

While I agree with your opinion, for me this isn't the real issue.
It's more or less an argument for scrapping the forum - people posting a bunch of opinions when they are not 'qualified' to do so. Of course that happens; that's the whole point of the forum.
With a few notable exceptions, the vast majority of people who read and post on this forum are doing so because they care about Saints. If a lot of them are not happy, then I think the club should be paying attention and doing something about it. They are after all the target market for the club.
In my opinion the days of blind loyalty are a thing of the past. Saints exist is a market place where there are a lot of other competing forms of entertainment, looking to secure peoples money and attention. Saints need to pay attention to customer service and if a lot of customers are unhappy they will eventually move on to other things. If they want to expand their fan base in the long term and improve the club this area is going to be increasingly important.
I can't see a good argument for the media controlling anything, let alone people's opinions but I would have thought that the opinions of the suuporters would be a far more valuable resource for the club than the opinions of so called experts like Craig Burley, Hugh Keevins etc.

Some of the rubbish posted on this forum is truly unbelievable.
Every time I think that things can't get any worse on this website I am proved wrong.
Any worse and it will be as bad as the team.

Some of the rubbish posted on this forum is truly unbelievable.
Every time I think that things can't get any worse on this website I am proved wrong.
Any worse and it will be as bad as the team.

That's hardly a fair comparison. Lennon's situation was completely different from Murray.
Lennon took charge of a club two leagues above the club he was working at. OK he made the mistake of thinking that the players from Cowdenbeath would be able to cut it in the SPL, which wasn't really true with an exception or two. But he arrived with a clear plan on how he wanted the team to play, and a list of players he wanted to help carry this out. He changed the way that the team played in the first season and while it wasn't all that successful, there were signs of progress.
Murray on the other hand has taken charge of Saints in the same league he was already working in. Given that it seems only fair to expect that he would be familiar with the players at this level and have a good idea of the standards required to be successful in this league. However he appears to have totally misjudged the ability of the current squad. I see no evidence yet that he has any clear idea of how he wants the team to play. Or that he has any firm idea of the type of players that he wants to bring in to improve the squad.
So Murray is way behind what Lennon achieved, even in the summer of Beath season.

That's hardly a fair comparison. Lennon's situation was completely different from Murray.
Lennon took charge of a club two leagues above the club he was working at. OK he made the mistake of thinking that the players from Cowdenbeath would be able to cut it in the SPL, which wasn't really true with an exception or two. But he arrived with a clear plan on how he wanted the team to play, and a list of players he wanted to help carry this out. He changed the way that the team played in the first season and while it wasn't all that successful, there were signs of progress.
Murray on the other hand has taken charge of Saints in the same league he was already working in. Given that it seems only fair to expect that he would be familiar with the players at this level and have a good idea of the standards required to be successful in this league. However he appears to have totally misjudged the ability of the current squad. I see no evidence yet that he has any clear idea of how he wants the team to play. Or that he has any firm idea of the type of players that he wants to bring in to improve the squad.
So Murray is way behind what Lennon achieved, even in the summer of Beath season.

The worst thing about the whole thing is the fact that Murray was assuring us all we were Championship contenders at the start of the season.
If he can get that so badly wrong, it sure doesn't give much confidence that he's got any clue what he's doing.
A little over a year ago we were 8th in the SPL; the idiotic decisions made by those in charge of the club over the past 15 months or so have totally destroyed this team.
Hopefully the extent of the damage is actually beginning to sink in now, because I don't see many signs that those in charge have the determination, energy or ability to turn this around.

Got this amazing update this afternoon from David Woodall, father of our Player of the Year 2015 winner Aaron Woodall.
How about that then !!!!

I could have sworn I saw Murray at the game on Friday night, but it doesn't appear he was there after all. He certainly wasn't watching the same game I watched.
On the upside though, it's clear that Mark Burchill hasn't been putting in the effort to check out Livi's opponents.

I wish to f**k I would stop opening this thread in the preposterous and naive hope that it might contain something resembling an update on what might or might not be happening with this lad.

On the way according to this today.......

Managing to last a whole 4 minutes before we capitulated to the forces of darkness can hardly be regarded as impressive by any stretch of the imagination.
Hopefully this will serve as a wake up call for Murray, as he seems to think the team in it's current state is pretty good.
"The gulf between ourselves... and Rangers isn't as great as people think" Well based on the 90 mins on Friday that doesn't seem to be the case.
There is still an awful lot of work still to do before we can anywhere close to challenging for promotion.

Managing to last a whole 4 minutes before we capitulated to the forces of darkness can hardly be regarded as impressive by any stretch of the imagination.
Hopefully this will serve as a wake up call for Murray, as he seems to think the team in it's current state is pretty good.
"The gulf between ourselves... and Rangers isn't as great as people think" Well based on the 90 mins on Friday that doesn't seem to be the case.
There is still an awful lot of work still to do before we can anywhere close to challenging for promotion.

Maybe he should tell Thommo............

Maybe he should tell Thommo............

Maybe he should tell Thommo............

If it's anything like the club these days, it will be a half hearted effort with no real aspirations of success, and a budget set at the bare minimum to scrape by........

Agreed. Realistic though it may be the last thing you would want is your captain chucking the towel in, a week before the season even starts though.....
Murray was in the paper a week or two ago, claiming that we "are absolutely in the mix to win the league." Obviously if nothing else, he hasn't managed to convince Thompson......

Edited to make it more (or less) apparent what I was getting at

It looks like most of the clubs in the division are well ahead of us in terms of assembling a team for the upcoming season.
The problem with Murray taking the trialist route is not that it can't be done, or even that Murray himself can't do it, but we have recently been through a couple of managers who have completely failed in this approach and signed player like Ball or had to resort to panic signings like Djemba-Dejemba.
Given that, the complete mess the team was in last season and the number of players that have left, I can understand why people might think that picking up one or two players from a few bounce games will really be able to turn the team around.

The £285 I spent last year definitely didn't represent value for money. Apalling football and even worse cutomer service.
The club will have to do a whole lot better if they want me to part with £275 to watch them in the Championship.

The £285 I spent last year definitely didn't represent value for money. Apalling football and even worse cutomer service.
The club will have to do a whole lot better if they want me to part with £275 to watch them in the Championship.

The £285 I spent last year definitely didn't represent value for money. Apalling football and even worse cutomer service.
The club will have to do a whole lot better if they want me to part with £275 to watch them in the Championship.

The £285 I spent last year definitely didn't represent value for money. Apalling football and even worse cutomer service.
The club will have to do a whole lot better if they want me to part with £275 to watch them in the Championship.

The £285 I spent last year definitely didn't represent value for money. Apalling football and even worse cutomer service.
The club will have to do a whole lot better if they want me to part with £275 to watch them in the Championship.