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The £285 I spent last year definitely didn't represent value for money. Apalling football and even worse cutomer service.
The club will have to do a whole lot better if they want me to part with £275 to watch them in the Championship.

The £285 I spent last year definitely didn't represent value for money. Apalling football and even worse cutomer service.
The club will have to do a whole lot better if they want me to part with £275 to watch them in the Championship.

Can it be changed so you don't have to award all the points to vote?
I honestly can't think of 12 players worthy of points.

Irrespective of the in's and out's, one thing I'm pretty sure about...
If the deal had gone through and fans had been in charge of running the club this season, the almost ubelievable mistakes that the BOD made (Tommy Craig; not hiring a new manager; selling Kenny without a sutable replacement; Gary Teale) would not have happened.

Irrespective of the in's and out's, one thing I'm pretty sure about...
If the deal had gone through and fans had been in charge of running the club this season, the almost ubelievable mistakes that the BOD made (Tommy Craig; not hiring a new manager; selling Kenny without a sutable replacement; Gary Teale) would not have happened.

Irrespective of the in's and out's, one thing I'm pretty sure about...
If the deal had gone through and fans had been in charge of running the club this season, the almost ubelievable mistakes that the BOD made (Tommy Craig; not hiring a new manager; selling Kenny without a sutable replacement; Gary Teale) would not have happened.

Irrespective of the in's and out's, one thing I'm pretty sure about...
If the deal had gone through and fans had been in charge of running the club this season, the almost ubelievable mistakes that the BOD made (Tommy Craig; not hiring a new manager; selling Kenny without a sutable replacement; Gary Teale) would not have happened.

Personally I'm struggling to see any kind of brightside to this.
Apart from the continual series of poor decisions which did the club no favours at all, the wall of silence aimed at the fans from the club was a disgrace in my opinion. To me this simply appears to be taking the fans for granted, and treating them with a lack of respect.
Obviously people can make mistakes and not every decision the club makes is going to be the right one, but I would never have believed the club would treat its fans in this manner. I can't see any excuse for that and also think it has done the club serious harm.

Personally I'm struggling to see any kind of brightside to this.
Apart from the continual series of poor decisions which did the club no favours at all, the wall of silence aimed at the fans from the club was a disgrace in my opinion. To me this simply appears to be taking the fans for granted, and treating them with a lack of respect.
Obviously people can make mistakes and not every decision the club makes is going to be the right one, but I would never have believed the club would treat its fans in this manner. I can't see any excuse for that and also think it has done the club serious harm.

I don't see how we can sack Teale, and don't think it would make much difference at this stage.
He should never have got the job in the first place though.
Having said that it's the board that has to carry the can for this mess. After the disasterous appointment of Craig, to do nothing positive over the transfer window and then sell your most effective player on deadline day, is simply asking for relegation.
And all this with hardly a word to the fans.
If you'd told me before the season started that this was how things were going to go, I wouldn't have believed it. And even having seen it happen I'm still struggling.

I don't see how we can sack Teale, and don't think it would make much difference at this stage.
He should never have got the job in the first place though.
Having said that it's the board that has to carry the can for this mess. After the disasterous appointment of Craig, to do nothing positive over the transfer window and then sell your most effective player on deadline day, is simply asking for relegation.
And all this with hardly a word to the fans.
If you'd told me before the season started that this was how things were going to go, I wouldn't have believed it. And even having seen it happen I'm still struggling.

And in the meantime we will continue to stumble along until the close of the transfer window without resolving the manager issue? And consequently having little opportunity to add significantly to the squad.
I have a lot of respect for what SG has acheived with the club, but at this moment I'm really struggling to see how this situation can be considered in the best interests of the club (which is the duty of the BOD). Certainly in the short term.
Furthermore this situation has dragged on for nearly 2 months now, with absolutely zero information for the fans about plans or timescales for the manager; bringing in new players. As a season ticket holder I certainly didn't buy my ticket expecting to watch the team remaining mangerless for 1/3 of the season and fritter away their chances of survival by a complete lack of action during their only opportunity to reorganise and make improvements to the team.
It seems to me this is a very poor way to treat your customers, and I'm not convinced that this would be tolerated in many other businesses. And if the recent attendance v. Dundee Utd is anything to go by, it's having a significant impact on the clubs customers too.

SFA to do with St Mirren also.......

Agreed with the comments above, I don't see why the BOD should make any kind of statement about McLean. There's not much to say.
They could let the fans know why they waited until the transfer window nearly closed before appointing a manager?
Or why for the 2nd January in a row we are scrambling about looking for free agents because we made a mess of the transfer window? Djemba-Djemba back next week then.... This carry on cost Lennon his job last year; how Craig kept his I'll never understand.
Communication with the fans is nowhere near good enough. As pointed out above Saints fans are very engaged customers. They put so much time and effort into supporting the club and identify so strongly with it that they feel a sense of ownership.
Given that I think the very least the BOD can do is to let the fans know what's going on.
Making poor decisions (like appointing Craig) is one thing. But it's quite hard to come up with an excuse for not treating the fans with respect.

Agreed with the comments above, I don't see why the BOD should make any kind of statement about McLean. There's not much to say.
They could let the fans know why they waited until the transfer window nearly closed before appointing a manager?
Or why for the 2nd January in a row we are scrambling about looking for free agents because we made a mess of the transfer window? Djemba-Djemba back next week then.... This carry on cost Lennon his job last year; how Craig kept his I'll never understand.
Communication with the fans is nowhere near good enough. As pointed out above Saints fans are very engaged customers. They put so much time and effort into supporting the club and identify so strongly with it that they feel a sense of ownership.
Given that I think the very least the BOD can do is to let the fans know what's going on.
Making poor decisions (like appointing Craig) is one thing. But it's quite hard to come up with an excuse for not treating the fans with respect.

No, but to be fair if McLean has a release clause in his contract then it's irrelevant.

I think you must be living in some sort of parallel universe..........
McLean has been a (maybe the only) brightspot in an otherwise dire season.
He has scored 7 goals from midfield, and is not only our top scorer by some margin but has scored nearly half of our league goal tally (7 of 20).
His goals have been directly responsible for 6 of our 18 points to date.
And this ignores any contribution he has made to the team other than goals.
If you subtract Kenny's contribution, we would be bottom of the league just now.
We can't really afford to lose McLean. And what's more he was one of the few in the team this season who was worth paying to watch.
And I seriously doubt at this stage, we will replace him with anyone, let alone a player of the same calibre.

I think you must be living in some sort of parallel universe..........
McLean has been a (maybe the only) brightspot in an otherwise dire season.
He has scored 7 goals from midfield, and is not only our top scorer by some margin but has scored nearly half of our league goal tally (7 of 20).
His goals have been directly responsible for 6 of our 18 points to date.
And this ignores any contribution he has made to the team other than goals.
If you subtract Kenny's contribution, we would be bottom of the league just now.
We can't really afford to lose McLean. And what's more he was one of the few in the team this season who was worth paying to watch.
And I seriously doubt at this stage, we will replace him with anyone, let alone a player of the same calibre.

I think you must be living in some sort of parallel universe..........
McLean has been a (maybe the only) brightspot in an otherwise dire season.
He has scored 7 goals from midfield, and is not only our top scorer by some margin but has scored nearly half of our league goal tally (7 of 20).
His goals have been directly responsible for 6 of our 18 points to date.
And this ignores any contribution he has made to the team other than goals.
If you subtract Kenny's contribution, we would be bottom of the league just now.
We can't really afford to lose McLean. And what's more he was one of the few in the team this season who was worth paying to watch.
And I seriously doubt at this stage, we will replace him with anyone, let alone a player of the same calibre.

I think you must be living in some sort of parallel universe..........
McLean has been a (maybe the only) brightspot in an otherwise dire season.
He has scored 7 goals from midfield, and is not only our top scorer by some margin but has scored nearly half of our league goal tally (7 of 20).
His goals have been directly responsible for 6 of our 18 points to date.
And this ignores any contribution he has made to the team other than goals.
If you subtract Kenny's contribution, we would be bottom of the league just now.
We can't really afford to lose McLean. And what's more he was one of the few in the team this season who was worth paying to watch.
And I seriously doubt at this stage, we will replace him with anyone, let alone a player of the same calibre.

I think you must be living in some sort of parallel universe..........
McLean has been a (maybe the only) brightspot in an otherwise dire season.
He has scored 7 goals from midfield, and is not only our top scorer by some margin but has scored nearly half of our league goal tally (7 of 20).
His goals have been directly responsible for 6 of our 18 points to date.
And this ignores any contribution he has made to the team other than goals.
If you subtract Kenny's contribution, we would be bottom of the league just now.
We can't really afford to lose McLean. And what's more he was one of the few in the team this season who was worth paying to watch.
And I seriously doubt at this stage, we will replace him with anyone, let alone a player of the same calibre.

"The Board and hopefully the supporters will have noticed an improvement in performances during their short tenure"
Really 6 points from 9 games?
And then we sign a winger. Just what's needed to improve the team.
It's about time the supporters of this club were treated with more respect.

And in the meantime we will continue to stumble along until the close of the transfer window without resolving the manager issue? And consequently having little opportunity to add significantly to the squad.
I have a lot of respect for what SG has acheived with the club, but at this moment I'm really struggling to see how this situation can be considered in the best interests of the club (which is the duty of the BOD). Certainly in the short term.
Furthermore this situation has dragged on for nearly 2 months now, with absolutely zero information for the fans about plans or timescales for the manager; bringing in new players. As a season ticket holder I certainly didn't buy my ticket expecting to watch the team remaining mangerless for 1/3 of the season and fritter away their chances of survival by a complete lack of action during their only opportunity to reorganise and make improvements to the team.
It seems to me this is a very poor way to treat your customers, and I'm not convinced that this would be tolerated in many other businesses. And if the recent attendance v. Dundee Utd is anything to go by, it's having a significant impact on the clubs customers too.

My comment wasn't about Teale's performance as manger.
It was the fact that the club haven't done anything to sort the situation out. (From STV today "Teale hasn't been offered any clarity on his future with the Paisley club")
This uncertainty cannot be a benefit to the team, or to trying to attract players.
And I don't see how leaving all this up air can be of any benefit to the club, at what is the most critical point of the season.

My comment wasn't about Teale's performance as manger.
It was the fact that the club haven't done anything to sort the situation out. (From STV today "Teale hasn't been offered any clarity on his future with the Paisley club")
This uncertainty cannot be a benefit to the team, or to trying to attract players.
And I don't see how leaving all this up air can be of any benefit to the club, at what is the most critical point of the season.