St. Sid

This would make a very worthy B&WArmy charity. It has touched all of us.

Not at all somner9. There are plenty of supporters off line that have ben thanking me for taking the 10000 hrs supporters and their lies to task. How hard is it for them to just post an acknowledgement that the CIC is dead and demand that Richard and GLS withdraw their bid. It was all over the press yesterday that the bid was still alive. That is a disgrace to the fans that supported the bid. Just get it a message at the top of the boards telling everyone the bid was shite and that'll be an end to it. It the rah-rah brigade were to own up and apologise to the fellow fans that supported them based on lies - everyone would say fair play and recognise otherwise good supporters. By not acknowledging their disgraceful treatment of the fans they do more harm to B&WArmy and their own reputations than anything my posts could do. A few pals rallying rounmd online is fooling nobody.

Very positive statement from the Board. Good to see some element of St Mirren is capable of "lessons learnt".

I am delighted to acknowledge that 10000 hrs is 100% dead (has been for some time) and would once again like to apologise to the fans who were right all along that it was a bag of shite. This thread is the opportunity for all genuine fans of St Mirren Football Club to announce their belief that 10000 hrs is dead and to demand that 10000hrs formally withdraw their bid and gies aw f'k'n peace for the good of the club, the community and most of all the fans. Come on poz, you can do it!!!

Oh good the 10000 hrs Boards are open again. Who will poz try and blame for 10000 hrs ineptitude now?

Disnae take a genius to work it out civilsaint. The OTT reaction to my comments is a bit of a give away. It would serve no purpose to name them. No benefit to them and zero benfit to the support or the club - pretty sure most will have worked it out anyway. 10000 hrs and its supporters should now admit that the bid is completely dead and buried and withdraw it completely. What are they hoping to achieve by saying they are leaving a bid on the table? We've seen pozbaird attempt to stir up yet more anger towards the selling consortium. To what end? Why not save face properly and just settle for the positives? The shirt effort was a success - fan involvement that generated income for the club. That's all good. Take the plaudits and try and find a way to keep it going. Nope, instead what we got was an attempt to spin a conspiracy theory that the failure of 10000 hrs is the fault of the selling consortium. No one is going to fall for that. It is shite and we know it is shite. I told you the finances were f"k'd months ago. SMiSA were telling us publically as much long before that. Some fans knew that the finances weren't ther but kept on with the campaign anyway. Why spread bollox about the bid being sustainable when they knew themselves it was a bag of shite? Why try and blame the selling consortium for recognising that the bid is a bag of shite and protecting the club from it. The selling consortium are far from blameless in this shambles. The majority of the blame for the utter f"k up and abuse of the trust and support of the fans most certainly lies with 10000 hrs and the fans that knew it was was shite and chose to carry on regardless. I just can't fathom the level of disrespect they have for fellow supporters that would allow them to do that......worse that they persist with the nonsense even now when it is brutally clear to everyone. Time to tell the truth - admit that the bid was not good for the club and that the entire unsavoury matter is over for good.

There were a lot more than that slapsalmon. I'm not convinced that Tony would have known about it to be fair to him. (edited to add - that Tony also expressed his concern about the questions raised by SMiSA at the public meeting). GLS was heavily involved in the construction of the bid as well as trying to sell the 87 & 1877 club memberships. Hardly a revelation. There is a big question to be asked if we are going to do the inquests demanded by pozbaird - why when they knew as far back the beginning of the summer if not earlier that the finances were f"k'd did they continue with the bid. Was the response from the fans a surprise to them - was it a case of their bluff being called. They weren't in any hurry to shout about the 1877 club not signing anyone up - did they even try? Or did the corporate chaps, just like some fans already know the finances were f"k'd. I doubt we'll find out as the guilty fans don't seem keen to out themselves.

There was something on the beeb earlier today about a new element of the tax case being decided in October. However, I think the newco are scot-free on that now?

Midly amusing tht I am being accused of trolling and yet all the abuse and deflection is coming from people who appear to be uncomfortable with the very basic point I have made. Some fans knew that the bid was in serious financial trouble and yet still carried on with the public meeting and subsequent campiagn to get fans to sign up...even encouraging them to text everyone they knew and get their grannies to sign up. I knew the finances were frankly dangerous at that point and declined to support the setting of false expectations of my fellow fans. Other fans knew it too but carried on....why they would that beggars belief. 10000 hrs were on the radio tonight slabbering a lot of shite about the bid being left on the table. Is anyone actually taking that pish seriously. However, the absolute corker was the revelation from REA that the BoD / selling consortium would never sell to anyone that didn't have the club best interests at heart - that's you ya fik cnut. If the selling consortium were never going to sell to Massone or a Craign Whyte type then what wall all the pish slabbered at the last public meeting about? The threads might be closed; however 10000 hrs should rip up the bid altogether and stop making a bawz of themselves and our club. Kill it stone dead and let the fans move on. If the bawbags that proactively misled fans don't want to own up to it and apologise so be it. However, they are fooling no one with all the nonsense about trolling. Your fellow fans aren't as stoopit as you would like to think.

I enjoy walking behind the ones with WATP on their shirts....almost s much fun as the tommcb game.

Get it out of your system good Buddie....you'll be all the better for it.....release the grief!!!

Nope, integrity has been a very popular word this summer. I am quite comfortable with the meaning of the word and context in which it is being used. Life is good SPS.....like many fans St Mirren plays a significant part in it. I respect that greatly. My integrity is intact and I've nothing to be ashamed of. Isn't it time we all agreed that 10000 hrs wasn;t fit for purpose, would have put the club at risk and that it is time to move on. That should be the end of it. Some fans appear to be struggling with that and are intent in unsettling the support even more than it already has. It is time to knock it on the head Bud...I suspect you will agree with that.

It'll take a while reborn - they'll never thank me for it, but when it finally sinks in they will be all the better for it. Tough love!!!

I'm a honest guttless tadger.....integrity intact and nothing to be ashamed of.

I'm an honest fanny div...integrity intact and nothing to be ashamed of. We all mistakes....how we redress our mistakes is what matters. It is time for the support to move on from the 10000 hrs debacle. Best to delete the 10k site and I think everyone will be glad to see the back of this section of the forum. It has been a taint on an otherwise great time to be a Buddie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY9b6jgbNyc

Agreed....that's not where the risk lay. The assets were sort of protected by the CIC; however it was not quite the watertight scenario being painted in the marketing blah blah. There was risk with Bii....we were never told the conditions of the loan. For me the biggest risk was to the club through the lack of cashflow available from 10000 hrs. If the CIC is in trouble what happens if SMFC were to hit problems such as those scaremongered by themselves. Even Bii weren't happy with 10000 hrs ability to manage a cashflow situation. It was highlighted prior to the bid being rejected. It was one of the areas 10000 hrs were asked to address. This was a concern before it transpired that the 1877 club had been a disaster and the 87 club fell well short of its target. The bid should never have been tabled as it had become a nonsense and the fans should not have been led on. The honourable thing to do would have been to bail out long before the last public meeting.

Funny coincidence....new series of Shameless about to start on C4.

Like I say div...it is up to those fans to make the apology themselves. Or they can opt to try and front it out. The rejection of the bid because it was unsustainable tells its own story. I knew it before the public meeting. I don't know all the fans that also knew it, but I certainly know some of them. Not my place to say. SMiSA called 10000 hrs and were shot down for it. I tried to get 10000 hrs to provide more detail about the financial model and was ignored other than the presentation of some spurious FAQs. They opted to front it out to the last. I don't expect them to apologise - they will go away never to be seen again. I just think the fans that fronted it out with them would feel better if they 'fessed up and apologise. We all make mistakes. Easier to move on from our mistakes if we own up and apologise.

Quite......it will be better for those concerned to make their own apology. Forcing it would make any apology meaningless. As soon as I realised that SMiSA had been right I made my apologies in public. I followed that up with an apology to the SMiSA chaps in person. Big Fras was kind enough to send me an apology in a PM recently. No apology was needed; however it was gratefully accepted and I am sure we are both the better for it. The fans who were "misled" don't need an apology from anyone - the plot failed. However, those involved will feel all the better for making a public apology. The level of anger about my requests for a public apology from those that knew and cracked on misleading their fellow fans anyway might well tell its own story.

Looks like green is heading for real trouble with the EBT statement about other SPL clubs. Apparently bhigot fc have already been investigated and cleared for the wee Brazilians EBT. All the noise he's making raises doubts about how long Green intends to stay at the newco in my humble opinion. I though they were getting their act together...got my doubts again.

The supporters whose reputations are well and truly burst.

DL Bud....you will find that the 10000 hrs online marketing team were all revved up to try and rally the support into a frenzy of rage at the selling consortium. It has failed. The gig is up...I am 100% in agreement with you that the matter should be closed and we should all move on. However, there's a few bawbags that will slabber on and on about how its no fair just to save face. They knew it was failing long before the last public meeting. I hoped they were strining the fans along becasue they were buying more time and were working on something else. Sadly that was not the case. Hopefully they will get over their disappointment and embarrassment soon and gie the support, the club and club's employees peace. Anyway...time for a wee song - there's no winners here, and Dr Somner will be the first to agree with that:

The statement from 10000 hrs is fairly typical of all that has gone before. No detail whatsoever. £1.25M over 3 years is nowhere near the full picture. No information about how the deal was structured, the capital / debt ratios, zilch about how they would manage cashflow issues, and f"k aw about what would happen if they didn't keep up the payments to Bii - remember there was a long list of conditions on that loan alone we didn't get to see. They have provided no update on the number of 87 club and 1877 club members. For them to leave a note about the bid being left open is pathetic and as reborn saint points out completely unworkable as the baw is well and truly burst along with some supporters' reputations. The bid was rejected because it the business plan was not strong enough to sustain the club let alone develop it. The club would be at risk I can't think of one supporter that would want that to happen. Time to knock all the speculation on the head and move on. Time to get behind the club again and stop the devisive nonsense that has blighted the support during what has been a great time for us on the pitch. When I realised it wasn't going to work and would put the club at risk I was just as disappointed as I'm sure some of you are feeling now. We dodged a potentially fatal bullet for the club and given a wee bit of time that will be realised by even the most ardent supporters of the club. Let it go and move on. We have the best team we've had in donkey's years. Let's get back to being football supporters and enjoy the good times while they last.