St. Sid

That after two years!!! for you and a few others to be still hoping that at some point that open and transparent involvement of the people funding the bid will take place really tells you all you need to know about 10000 hours M.O.
They still to this day have not put forward to the investors a credible business plan! is it any wonder all those funders told them to swivel as their threadbare business plans were revealed. They only people with any knowledge on what could happen are the groups 10000 hours are allowing to shamefully make money out of SMFC that the club badly needs.
the commercial manager can't run a f**king shop! I'll show you the photo later but it was shuttered up as i picked up a ticket yesterday!!! matchday!!!!
GLS fair play to him has found a group of mug punters to buy his worthless shares, and get a place on the BoD, all for zero investment, ReA has a job (allegedly) at SMFC, gets to be Director, and invests Zero.... The church group and Kibble get a prime facility, car parking, access etc with a guaranteed footfall of thousands to milk dry in exchange for buttons to the club....
there's your business plan! great business opportunities for everyone except SMFC and the people actually funding 10000 hours bid!
Then there's the spectre of 10000 hours debt exceeding their ability to service it taking the club into administration. leaving the club vulnerable to the likes of the Charlie Green's of this world who could if inclined use it to cakewalk the scumgers back into the spl. wouldn't that be a coup for his investors?

Your too late Tsu. If the bid is accepted the selling consortium will be given their cash and 10000 hrs / Bii will be the new owners of SMFC. The BoD will be made up of GLS, REA, Caldwell, REA's mate with the nice legs and Tony F. They can pretty much do what they want with the club at that point. The "draft constitution", which we were told at the public meeting has been used for the purposes of the interim organisation will be in play and through that constitution the fans are powerless. You're making demands too late. The deal will be done and that's when you think its the right time to ask questions about the financial model...

There has been no respone RS. A few dodgy FAQs and a public meeting were no information was provided other than disgraceful scaremongering...the implication being that the selling consortium would hand the club over the Angelo Massone. The communication to fans has been disgraceful.....and that's when they still have the begging bowl out. Once firmly installed in control of SMFC they will be impossible to shift unless they run the club into the ground...at that point the sale of the club will be burst wide open.
Fans need to be 100% sure that this scheme can work. We don't have the information available to be able to hold that view.
There is no influence RS. If fans don't keep up the payments they lose the club. If you think communication with fans is poor now, wait until we're in a catch 22. Lessons should be learnt from the newco scaremongering.

Slightly better communication from 10000 hrs.....they're actually talking about something that they might do. The use of the £1,500 is a strange one though. Why wait until after the bid...why not set this up for the next home league game.....its the fans money and has hee-haw to do with whether the bid goes ahead or not. What happens to the cash if the bid doesn't go ahead?
I reckon this whole sorry saga will continue to bore us all for some time yet.

I'm not convinced we do know their motivation. We've had the sales pitch; however the behaviours have been very different. I have seen no evidence whatsoever of us becoming a "community" orientated club. Under 10000 hrs involvement in the club we have seen the club opt for perceived increase in shirt revenues at the expense of service to the community.....we have seen disabled fans getting charged twice for entry and if the latest rumours are true some of the community development staff have been made redundant.
It all started well and the story was great.......the reality has been very different. Lies, upon lies, upon misdirection, upon scaremongering, upon commercialisation at the expense of community, maximising profits from supporters wallets, making staff redundant.......not quite the community club we were hoping for I fear. It looks more like two large egos taking trying to take control of the club no matter what the cost. For me that's exactly the kind of people we don't want running the club irrespective of who they support.
If the numbers don't add up, if they cannot improve the club beyond what it already is then no deal should be done. We should look to alternatives that deliver genuine community involvement. The fans have shown a willingness to support the progress of the club with additional investment. There is an opportunity there - 10000 hrs have failed to bring to fruition for whatever reason.
We really need to see evidence of serious financial backing rather the result of scaremongering fans. The communication suggests that the funding from Bii is even in doubt again and not yet signed off.
The fan empowerment element is a lot of bollox, so in reality all you have is a supporters bar. A combination of SMiSA and subscriptions from 1000 fans could see the bar realised in 6 months. Rattle the profits - if there are actually any - straight back into the club.
Essentially you are paying to have GLS and REA take control of St Mirren Football Club along with a few hingers on. It is only a viabled investment if you KNOW it is going to work - WE DON'T!!!.....and based on performance so far......the repeated failures to land funding, the hair-brained schemes and the Boardroom meltdown doesn't inspire confidence that these chaps are going to be able to sustain the income required to pay back the debt / maintain the current healthy position of SMFC.
A proper communication to the fans would have broken down how the £1.25M is made up. It is no surprise that yet again we get marketing blah, blah rather than anything that delivers any genuine confidence in the support.

I'm not convinced we do know their motivation. We've had the sales pitch; however the behaviours have been very different. I have seen no evidence whatsoever of us becoming a "community" orientated club. Under 10000 hrs involvement in the club we have seen the club opt for perceived increase in shirt revenues at the expense of service to the community.....we have seen disabled fans getting charged twice for entry and if the latest rumours are true some of the community development staff have been made redundant.
It all started well and the story was great.......the reality has been very different. Lies, upon lies, upon misdirection, upon scaremongering, upon commercialisation at the expense of community, maximising profits from supporters wallets, making staff redundant.......not quite the community club we were hoping for I fear. It looks more like two large egos taking trying to take control of the club no matter what the cost. For me that's exactly the kind of people we don't want running the club irrespective of who they support.
If the numbers don't add up, if they cannot improve the club beyond what it already is then no deal should be done. We should look to alternatives that deliver genuine community involvement. The fans have shown a willingness to support the progress of the club with additional investment. There is an opportunity there - 10000 hrs have failed to bring to fruition for whatever reason.
We really need to see evidence of serious financial backing rather the result of scaremongering fans. The communication suggests that the funding from Bii is even in doubt again and not yet signed off.
The fan empowerment element is a lot of bollox, so in reality all you have is a supporters bar. A combination of SMiSA and subscriptions from 1000 fans could see the bar realised in 6 months. Rattle the profits - if there are actually any - straight back into the club.
Essentially you are paying to have GLS and REA take control of St Mirren Football Club along with a few hingers on. It is only a viabled investment if you KNOW it is going to work - WE DON'T!!!.....and based on performance so far......the repeated failures to land funding, the hair-brained schemes and the Boardroom meltdown doesn't inspire confidence that these chaps are going to be able to sustain the income required to pay back the debt / maintain the current healthy position of SMFC.
A proper communication to the fans would have broken down how the £1.25M is made up. It is no surprise that yet again we get marketing blah, blah rather than anything that delivers any genuine confidence in the support.

Seeing them pulled out of the hat along with Irvine Meadow and Bonnyrigg Rose is mildy amusing.

They're all lying low after they lost control of the cnutcil.

Update just in fae Angelo Massone...."I have no interest in buying St Mirren and Div is just a Craig Hill look-a-likey making up silly stories."

Looks like reborn is set for another trip to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time, and he'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats. It is brilliant how my view that Cheesey would become a good 1st team player for St Mirren has developed into me being part of the selling consortium.
I do have a relative who was the chairman back in the 80s - Mawz cousin or thereabouts. The one that was going to build himself a hoose in cairter's corner and sold Ferguson after the cup final. I have gutted a few rabbits in my day but have never worked for and am certainly not related to the McAuslands.
It just shows you how easy it is for 10000 hrs rumourmongering to quickly be accepted as fact. All the more reason to take the KMG character assassination with a pinch of salt. 10000 hrs and the selling consortiums credibility is in the shitter. I wouldn't give either group a lick at my shite at this point in time.

Looks like reborn is set for another trip to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time, and he'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats. It is brilliant how my view that Cheesey would become a good 1st team player for St Mirren has developed into me being part of the selling consortium.
I do have a relative who was the chairman back in the 80s - Mawz cousin or thereabouts. The one that was going to build himself a hoose in cairter's corner and sold Ferguson after the cup final. I have gutted a few rabbits in my day but have never worked for and am certainly not related to the McAuslands.
It just shows you how easy it is for 10000 hrs rumourmongering to quickly be accepted as fact. All the more reason to take the KMG character assassination with a pinch of salt. 10000 hrs and the selling consortiums credibility is in the shitter. I wouldn't give either group a lick at my shite at this point in time.

Just playing devils advocate that is all. The allegations against McGeoch have never been proven, if they ever are then I'll agree with you. Until then I'm happy to let it lie. Time to move on.

It's not Massone.....It's Masons...Led by Ken McGeogh.

exactly......the 10000 hrs bid requires at least £1.5M worth of debt and there doesn't appear to be enough capital / revenue to cover it...as well as there appearing to be not enough cashflow to support the club itself. The last thing we want is the pay off to the selling consortium leaving the club in a weaker position than it is. The idea was supposed to be progression for the club - we only know about one bid and it certainly is not delivering progression....just a change of regime and a helluva lot of debt that they have failed to demonstrate that they can afford.

the way stories have flown out of St Mirren Park over the summer, those offers is probably the wee brochure from Morrisons or Aldi detailing the buy 3 get 2 free offers.
ther'll be bugger all about buying St Mirren

Hopefully ones that can prove they can support the club financially moving forward.

After all the scaremongering and general bollox that has been associated with this shambles I don't think any Board member current, past or wannabe (excluding me ) has any credibility left. KMG deserves the benefit of the doubt now, especially after we saw he accusers try and get fans to back the newco. We've seen a well enough run club turn into a far fetched episode of Dynasty.

I confirmed directly with Massone that he has absolutely no interest in St Mirren and has never made any approach to the club either directly or through a third party. Somebody is spinning you a lot of shite Bud.

The name on the plaques a bit of a givaway...liquid lunch today sonny?

I'd be really careful about making that kind of accusation, unless you have proof to back it up. Even SG stopped well short of saying that he even suspected that. He did indulge in a wee bit of insinuation, but it never went beyond that.
as far as we know, K McG is still a saints fan with the best interests of the club at heart, albeit a little misguided in his handling of his bid

Or refund some of the disabled supporters that have been ripped off this season.

Or refund some of the disabled supporters that have been ripped off this season.

Or refund some of the disabled supporters that have been ripped off this season.

Its Merlin and that is a historical fact.