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20 minutes ago, W6er said:
Now I'm confused, not unusual for me, but neither season ticket link is working for me - they both generate a page with the error message 'No events available'. However, we have sold more season tickets according to the counter:
The only explanation I can think of is people are phoning the ticket office, but it's only just gone 10 am!
Managed to get in and buy, but had to go through the link on the Twitter feed.
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2 hours ago, djchapsticks said:
£2.5k p/w sounds about right for highest paid manager at the club.
Realistically, who will we ever have paid more to? You could say at a push Stubbs but then we were freshly promoted at that point and not at all established so it's highly unlikely.
Don't know why but I had it in my head that we were paying Jack Ross about £150k around the time he was being linked with Dundee/Ipswich, when promotion was basically a certainty and we could speculate a little.
That said, the £2.5k a week figure makes a lot more sense when you put it in that context.
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2 hours ago, djchapsticks said:
He'll more likely be on £325k over the length of his deal. Not per year.
From what I've been told, we were looking at offering Jack Ross about £200k p/a.
130k p/a for 2.5 years doesn't seem outwith the realms of possibility, but it does surprise me that that's the highest amount we've ever paid a manager.
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53 minutes ago, TopCat said:
This tweeter got it spot on.
I actually wonder if the Naismith/Brown interviews were a fact finding mission on the part of the board/CEO.
Invite 2 former players, now coaches who between them have played at the 5 biggest clubs in Scotland and mine them for potential best-practice information under the guise of a job interview.
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17 minutes ago, beyond our ken said:
Kibble is no longer a charity, it seems some or other events last year prompted a rethink of their model
Yes they are.
https://www.oscr.org.uk/about-charities/search-the-register/charity-details?number=26917
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4 hours ago, elvis said:
It was 3-1
No it wasn't.
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Wow. 13 hours and 3 responses. There's your answer right there.
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26 minutes ago, Tommy said:
If Dickson and LPM are right and Kibble gets the freedom of the ground for their 27.5%, what does smisa get for their 51% ?
Access to Kibble staff to grow the commercial side of the club and to make savings where possible ie vehicle maintenance.
It also sounds like Kibble will give us access to their little black book of commercial contacts, but I may be misinterpreting the video
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10 minutes ago, Lord Pityme said:
Read the post! Once/If..? Smisa take ownership of Scott's shares they are an asset of the community benefit society Smisa 1877. And cant be sold, unless the proceeds of that sale benefit the community. I.e smisa members, saints fans, all the local groups that the club/trust does or should work with/for.
I have read your post, and I have questions - hence the post. What is it that Kibble are proposing is about to become illegal?
Direct me to the draft legislation, please. A URL
I think your biggest issue is not from the point where SMISA take control of the 51%, but during the transition period where there's no majority shareholder - is that correct?
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1 hour ago, Lord Pityme said:
If you are a current, former or potential smisa member you need to understand this!
Smisa is a Community Benefit Society, the crucial reasons for Smisa taking the lead in Fans owning the club are possibly much more crucial and fundamental than you may consider?
Yes if the fans ( Smisa & small shareholders) own over 90% of the club, then no one organisation or individual can come in and run the club to suit the aims, which may not be in the club's best interests.
But there are much more deeper, fundamental reasons that the club chairman, Smisa committee and shockingly an outside organisation are being allowed to "condition" you into believing "it's a done deal so just agree" and not consider before deciding how to vote.
A community benefit society can only sell its assets if the proceeds of that sale benefit the community. The club chairman, Kibble and smisa committee know this, and know this sale of over a quarter of the club to Kibble could not happen when Smisa takes over!
So their joint aim is to deceive/convince you this is "the greatest deal ever" as they need you to do it now, before it becomes illegal.
In essence they are trying to play you to agree whilst They benefit from it.
There is not one reason why the club could not start to deliver almost every service that Kibble offer!
The hard fact is Kibble want YOUR community asset to be able to use it to provide services to people from all over the UK. That's their business, why should we hand over our communities asset to benefit Kibble?
Indeed the club actually make money at present from hiring facilities to Kibble that go directly into benefitting the community!
There is no reason why, if required we couldnt hire/partner Kibble, or any other providers of the type of service we cant deliver ourselves, until we were able to deliver it ourselves without selling our community asset!
But that crucially doesn't bebefit Kibble as much as it does OUR community!
They are desperate for you to let this shocking stripping of your community asset NOW... before it becomes Illegal.
So the simple question I believe Smisa members should consider is... " do I want to benefit my community with our assets, or Kibble and our chairman's bank balance?
There are so many things others have said the club could never do, or be, that we have done and become. Play the long game, hold onto your community asset and use it to benefit your club and community.
This below is what we should be building ourselves, not subbing it out in bits and pieces...
https://www.foundationoflight.co.uk/about-us/
So tell me, what is it Kibble are proposing to do that's about to become illegal?
And, if I'm reading the Q+A properly, big decisions like selling off club assets requires unanimous support on the board. How do Kibble and their 2 directors get this through a board meeting when their in the minority with SMISA?
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37 minutes ago, BuddieinEK said:
Yet you call this democracy... you total hypocrite!
They won't win... let's not give them the voting option!!! Let them eat cake!!!
As for the second point... how many community projects that were previously denied funding would still appreciate investment?
None? Not worth investigating? Reconsidering?
At least you are true to form!
The club and SMISA can do no wrong... hang on whilst I bend over... how deep would you like it?!!!!
I'm afraid there has to be a level of gatekeeping, otherwise the SMISA board would be inundated with requests that aren't included within their charitable aims on the off chance it might just get funded.
For example, if I knew that every request went to the membership vote, what's to stop me putting in a request for the Dumbarton_Bud Really Needy Fund?
A lot of charitable trusts/foundations work in this way - partly to fulfil their charitable aims; and partly as there isn't an infinite amount of money to donate.
The Trust administrator/secretary will remove applications that aren't relevant before handing the rest to the Trustees for discussion. If you get funding - awesome! If you don't, usually there isn't any appeals process, regardless how good your project is or the benefits it may provide. Generally speaking, you need to wait a year before reapplying - believe me, its a pain in the hole.
The same goes for the Tesco/Asda charity token schemes. Hundreds of good causes will apply, but (usually) only three will be selected for funding in a particular region.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly happy at being asked to buy a drone for the club - with our proximity to the airport, the thing would likely get shot down if ever used during a game - but if no other projects (community or otherwise) were deemed suitable for consideration then there's not much we can do.
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5 hours ago, St.Ricky said:
Lots of content on this topic but most of it focused on seating arrangements when the OF come calling. My own opinion.. The club are steadily improving. Crowds continue to rise, Community involvement continues to grow. Leaving out the OF seating arrangements.. What would you do to improve our reach, crowds and revenue?
I'm probably not alone in this, but I'd like to see us utilise the digital billboards on the main roads into Paisley to advertise our games, in particular the one up by Reid Kerr.
I'm sick and tired of seeing ads for Sky Sports on those billboards that have images of Tavernier and Brown of the OF or a still from the EPL, and not one of a St Mirren player or a still from one of our games.
I'd imagine the cost of this is somewhat prohibitive but if the council can afford to advertise cultural events on these billboards then I don't see why we can't take a look (if we haven't done so already).
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2 hours ago, Tommy said:
More than 5 times the Accies v Livvy crowd
Fortunate to get a point i reckon with all the Hearts shots going straight to the keeper, with us trying to win without shooting
Was the stand lineman the Tory MP ?
Yes. He got some amount of abuse all game.
And rightly so.
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On 9/26/2019 at 8:56 PM, TPAFKATS said:On 9/26/2019 at 8:24 PM, dumbarton_bud said:Would prefer that to be the main stand, personally. 150th birthday (I think) coming up at the end of the season too.
I don't get the joke?
Not a joke. If I remember Caifters article right, it would be his 150th birthday towards the end of the season
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3 hours ago, TPAFKATS said:
Family stand should be the James Dunlop stand. He was the Daddy after all.
Would prefer that to be the main stand, personally. 150th birthday (I think) coming up at the end of the season too.
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So what was going on in W7 today then?
Watched a load of orange vested stewards enter the section and a large chunk of people leave for a fair bit of the first half.
Most were back in their seats for the second half.
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They're getting wise...
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Wonder if raiding our nearest neighbours for Lewis Strapp would sort our LB problems, and Alan Forrest (James Forrest's brother) from Ayr would give us a winger for the right?
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35 minutes ago, elvis said:
Just read a tweet from Div saying good things come to those that wait .Interesting
Nah, just means he's switched to the Guinness.
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58 minutes ago, St.Ricky said:
Resolve and resilience is what we need.
Is that the same sort of resolve and resilience that Theresa May was on about when she referenced strong and stable leadership?
ie. none?
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1 hour ago, jaybee said:
Me to my friend.................go oan gies a signing pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease, ony no im again. 😎
It's not up to Oan. It's up to Jim, Gus and/or Tony.
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11 minutes ago, Wendy Saintss said:
Except when your name is Alan Stubbs obviously!
Alan, it's over. It's been over for a while. You were found out and you were sacked.
Let it go.
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Not fussed about him departing, just as I wasn't that fussed with his arrival.
My missus, however, will be disappointed. Apparently Heaton and his missus frequented the cafe she works in fairly often and tipped quite handsomely. There goes a wee portion of her income...
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1 minute ago, Wendy Saintss said:
I’m no expert either but unfortunately, all the “reserves” refer to is the liability that the shareholders own the asset, which is the ground.
There isn’t actually a £9 million stash in reserve I’m afraid.No, I get that. Was just under the impression it would be slightly less fixed than the stadium
Have you ever wondered where the Kibble got £400,000 of public money to buy into our club ?
in General St. Mirren Discussion
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Okay, I'll bite. The Kibble have an annual income of about £35m (taken from the OSCR website). That's not including the various subsidiaries/trading arms that run alongside the core charity.
For context, St Mirren had income of about £4m last FY (taken from Companies House).
Why should charity leaders be paid so much less than their private sector counterparts? And realistically what do you think he should be paid?