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May have , or even probably been posted earlier , but Hibs Official saying that we made a last ditch bid for Danny Handling !
What? Are we claiming a penalty?
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Bottom line is Kenny left us for too little money, dress it up how you like.
We are now a much weaker team in the same relegation dogfight.
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I will hold onto the belief that when one door closes another opens and Mallan, McGinn, McLear, etc. will see that hard work and consistency in performance can earn them a move to unfortunately, undoubtably better things and will make them fill the void. We also have the lad on loan who is a complete unknnown factor.
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Let me be clear, here, you don't give a toss about the current state and future viability of the club? That's what is at stake, here, no? Or perhaps its all just a game. A bit of a laugh.
I won't apologise for being interested in what is happening behind the scenes and, as a long term supporter of the club, what the future might hold. Is it unreasonable to expect the odd update or even a crumb of trite reassurance in this regard?
As I have said before, it is about basic courtesy, respect and regard. Too much to expect? If nothing else, United deemed it worthy of their time to seek to explain why things have happened the way they have. In contrast we are fed, via media pundits, horseshit about bringing in a 'wheeler-dealer' and other such drivel.
Sorry Drew. Given you cited United's statement on the closure of the transfer window I thought you were referring to the KM situation.
I agree that the silence from the Board about other situations such as any potential takeover, or even rebuking any false statements, is ridiculous.
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If it's the best a club can afford and he has no other offers then I'd say that was reasonable.
But do YOU sit on a tribunal that would decide?
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Would he have gone for fee though buddy? Didn't we knock back offers for him before (I may have imagined that though) as we were certain on a reasonable development fee?
Turning out to be an utter shambles of a season tbh, goodwill towards the current custodians draining fast.
I've been trying to weigh this one up since the news broke and it's really not sitting well with me. A mistake has been made somewhere. Either the release clause was set far too low. I'd reckon 4 or 500K would have been fair for both or there was no release clause and we let him go far too cheaply.
http://www.saintmirren.net/pages/?p=40518
This might go some way to explaining things.
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Im hearing its most likely Paul George. Ex Celtic and.Accies striker
Sure it's not Boy George to bring a bit of Culture? Or By George? (I think we've got it)
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Genuine question:
Are you satisfied with the level of communication between the BoD and the supporters of SMFC?
I don't mean to bang on about this. Honestly.
I was of the opinion that the board had ignored us but there was a statement from the club on 02/02/2015 which I hadn't noticed confirming and, yes, explaining Kenny's departure.
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If McLean was offered a new deal, rejected it, and signed for someone else then we would be due compensation. He couldn't leave and we get nothing.
That depends on whether the contract was deemed reasonable.
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Where is it you live again? Oh aye, East Kilbride.... Another contender for this year's title and beaten by Aberdeen.
We were on for a hat-trick. If we won it this year we got to keep it. Bloody daylight robbery.
And they probably paid under the odds for the title as well!
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If Kenny McLean rejected in the summer the best contract St Mirren can afford to give him, with assurances that any bid deemed acceptable by the club would be accepted. That's beyond the boards control. We move on, and will see Kenny McLean's new club at a tribunal for compensation.
However to agree basically to a release clause of such low value, which doesn't take into account his form, market value now, the time of the bid, his importance to our team and our league position is farcical IMO.
Go onto the official site and read the comment re Kenny. The player decided he would sign a new contract. Our supporters, our management team and, quite obviously, our BoD's all felt Kenny was a player worth having. IF we hadn't offered a contract worthy of the name he would have been able to leave for nowt. I'm pretty certain he would have got another club under those conditions.
I'm as upset as many about him leaving but, let's be honest, we were accusing him of inconsistency last season.
After calming down and reading the statement I now believe, contrary to my first inclination, that the Board did what they could to get McLean to sign. It's another piece of bad luck that he played so well for us during the first part of the season!
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I had been thinking about coming over for this in light of our win/clean sheet at the Plastics. After yesterday's debacle, I'm not going to bother my arse.
To be honest I don't have a Scooby how things are likely to pan out on the fourteenth. It could be the new lad makes us ask, "Kenny who?" or, "Whit the feck?" Until we see how we set up and how true to his word GT is about recruits I'll "haud ma wheesht" and hope there is an a p.m. (post Mclean) and not an a.m. (another massacre) on St Valentines day.
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I'd like to apologise to shull for boring him and reacting like a drama queen to yesterday's transfer dealings. I now look forward in confidence to the remainder of the season where we sit in 10th place, ahead of Motherwell on goal difference and with the 2 teams below us with games in hand to play. I'm sure it will prove to have been a shrewd masterstroke to sell Kenny McLean for buttons when he has scored over one third of the team's goals in the league, and we'll be fine replacing him with an 18 year old loanee who will be off in the summer again, and our fate will be safe in the hands of Ball, Kelly, Mallan and Arquin adding to their 2 goal this season so far while our defence seeks to build on its one clean sheet.
Sorry once again for pointing out that after this window's dealings the remainder of the squad have scored 10 goals between them in 25 games.
I posted on another thread but I think it worth reiterating.
"I was of the opinion that the fee was too low but I see where you're coming from. If Kenny had stayed fit before and during the last two January windows we were all expecting his departure. After careful consideration and accepting what was reported on the O.S. I concur that it was outwith the boards control. I think we're all just upset that our apparent only saviour was "wheeked" from under our noses."
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275k
NO CLUB thought Kenny was worth that kind of money in summer, so he was basically forced to sign a new contract with us.
Kenny has then gone on to have a great start to the season, playing better and more consistently than he has ever done in the past.
All of a sudden somebody thinks he is worth that compo fee.
I can totally see why the BOD made that agreement with Kenny in the summer because nobody was willing to pay a penny for him.
It is fine to say he is worth this or that, but you need a buyer first. In summer they thought that getting 275k for him was a good deal.
If that fee hadn't been set then Mclean wouldn't have signed for 2 years. He would have signed for 6 months or a year and then we would have been just looking at the compensation fee anyway.
The BOD's hands were tied. I don't blame them in the slightest.
I think at the end of the day, if Kenny had left in the summer for 275k compo, not too many people would have been upset by that, but Mclean has been nothing short of fantastic this season, which really could not have been foreseen.
Get off the BOD's backs...
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I was of the opinion that the fee was too low but I see where you're coming from. If Kenny had stayed fit before and during the last two January windows we were all expecting his departure. After careful consideration and accepting what was reported on the O.S. I concur that it was outwith the boards control. I think we're all just upset that our apparent only saviour was "wheeked" from under our noses.
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Maybe with Kenny gone we will see Mallan, McGinn. Osbourne and our new boy boss midfield. Yes Kenny is a loss , he was a great player for us this season but I am not going into this " we are doomed " crap. We have won 3 out of last 4 aways, we have a clean sheet, we have Thommo back, this new lad, Arquin back. Cheesy and Goodwin playing well, and talent like Mallan, McGinn for rest of season.
It was always going to be a tough ask after TC, but I think boys have been brill since GT took over.
We just might flourish with natural right sided and natural left sided skillful players. It could even be that we'll be a better team. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be upset at shedding our top scorer and, as it stood, lynchpin in midfield for a paltry sum.
I hope we find out that it was a very well disguised blessing and the names mentioned step up to the plate.
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The board should be explaining exactly why we accepted such a shite offer for Kenny, especially after seeing other fees last night.
If it was in the contract that Kenny could leave for that amount then fine, it's in a contract but then they need to explain why the buyout was for such a low amount. Someone has severly f**ked this up and it's the fans who get robbed again. The team on the park is now worse but the fans will still be expected to shell out to watch a product that was already poor.
As always it's been a poor January.
It appears they did. On the official website the club say they honoured an agreement with Kenny and Kenny wanted the move.
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And here is the statement from the Saint Mirren board..........
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The reality is that no one was prepared to offer more than Aberdeen. Nothing St.Mirren could do about it.
Not true. If there was no release clause they just tell Aberdeen to Feck off or come back with a fee more akin to the present market similarities. Then let it leak that the Dons were sniffing and see where it takes us. The BoDs blinked first as they usually do.
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GT has only hinted at one more player in. Hope he's just playing his cards close.
That was before we sold our family silver for 5 magic beans!
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I can't help but hope this came from the same source that had us sold "this week".
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I would be very surprised if the release was triggered by the relatively measely amount of £300K.
If the BoD's have allowed Kenny to move on without any clause kicking in they'll be called Santa Clause by the Dons.
Aberdeen will get over £1,000,000 in the summer for the lad!
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Indeed - which is why I used the term 'were big, successful....'
As pedantic as it seems, they weren't. Celtic were/are but, given the fact Rangers are deed, THE rangers were never a big club with European honours.
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100% record in win bonuses too.
Long may that continue!
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Of course there is a lot of interest in this fixture. I have no problem admitting I am very interested in it. The facts are that they were the two hugely big clubs in a small country, and it is only natural they attracted a ton of attention. No-one else comes close in honours won, stadium capacity, fanbase, commercial income, European appearances....
By any measure they were big, successful, and that is looking at it coldly and impartially. Personally, my interest is similar to watching the start of a Grand Prix - there might be a huge crash that you watch through your fingers, but you still watch it. The Rangers dynamic means that this particular fixture is loaded with never-seen-before shifts in power and squad strength. The 'car crash' I hope, results in them getting humiliated 7-0, with Celtic's turn coming with a 2 or 3 goal loss to Aberdeen or Dundee Utd in the final.
I dislike both of them, but that doesn't mean I am not interested in watching the game on Sunday.
Only in the case of one of the two.
We've had more forays into Europe than the rangers! We've won more domestic trophies than them too. In fact We've won more challenge cups than them and that's saying something given they've had 3 attempts to date!
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You're in Paisley.
Get over it.
Wrong.
I think you'll find he's in cloud cuckoo land!
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Can he play CH?