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  1. 2 hours ago, oaksoft said:

    And this is why we need continued education.

    We have supposedly intelligent people like yourself who genuinely believe that black people are no more discriminated against than any other section of society.

    It's honestly utterly depressing to read this sort of nonsense.

    Where did I say they weren't disproportionally discriminated against? I said they weren't alone in being so. I suggested that by highlighting the black lives matter it can disenfranchise some who would be more vocal against discrimination if it were back to the more general and all inclusive kick out racism message


  2. 16 minutes ago, antrin said:

    Perhaps my post was a tad overwrought...

    All I was pointing out is that there have been many sections of society, ridiculed and oppressed down the years but only one section has been kept suppressed and disrespected since time immemorial.

    Black people live daily with a problem that just doesn't diminish - so it deserves to be highlighted until such time as it does disappear..

    And my simple point is, so does any section of the population. Look what's happening in China. 


  3. 24 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

    Whilst you and Slarti are making valid points, you and he are not the problem as in the racists that are.

    It is because of the racists that the need to highlight the folk with a slogan/group that have been targeted is required.

    Every decent person knows that all lives matter or black lives matter too. Let's not get to bothered with a few words or terms and concentrate on the actual problem, racists.

    That's my very point. All racists.

    11 minutes ago, antrin said:

    I've always been a great fan of Solidarity. (The Poles used that word pretty well, not so long ago)

    Before the Poles in Scotland were so abused, it was the Irish who were taking our jobs - and I believe that incoming Asians, in general, and the Ugandan Asians and also the Chinese and the Jews have been (ahem) tarred with the same mistakenly aggrieved brush.

    All those other groups who have "come to take our jobs" have (through time) been accepted, assimilated and integrated  as part of the norm. 

    An undoubted special burden sits on the shoulders of one particular section of humanity - those born with a black skin, African skin...  Black folk still suffer real racial, structural, educational, aspirational hurdles littering their paths through life.

     

    Government does little to alleviate that.  I see no problem with a sport making gestures to highlight the disparities faced by blacks in their sport and in UK generally.  It is a stolid, peaceful way of making their valid point.

     

    Would you rather they took the Irish or Al Qaeda route to achieve a modicum of fairness?

     

     

     

    Personally. I would rather none of it was necessary. But life is such that we get people who have a feeling of superiority or, strangely enough, more often,  inferiority, that makes them want to indulge in the disgusting abuse of others because of creed or colour. To oppose this the rest of us need to stand together in the pursuit of decency. To this end I just feel that only highlighting one section is, as I said, counterproductive.

    ETA. This is my opinion and I know a lot of people will have different ideas on the issue so I'm stepping out at this juncture as I don't believe it would be easy to change most people perspective. As a last point I would say, although I don't necessarily always agree with the manner in which it is done,  ALL peaceful attempts to rid the world of the archaic notion that one part of the population is worth less than any other has to be commended.


  4. 9 hours ago, oaksoft said:

    "All Lives Matter" completely misses the point.

    I did suggest a while back that Black Lives Matters Too would be a better name but again getting bogged down on a name misses the point.

    The point is that discrimination against people of colour is real and happens in every facet of life in ways which white people generally don't have to think about. For me, this is about solidarity. Nothing more.

    Yet you continue to suggest that its only the colour black that should matter. And there are many white people, even in this country, who have been put upon. For a while the Polish community were abused for "stealing our jobs". Solidarity is precisely why we should NOT highlight one particular section of humanity.


  5. 11 hours ago, oaksoft said:

    When that one section of the population is still routinely being discriminated against in all areas of life then it isn't divisionary to take the knee. It is a mark of solidarity with their struggle. This is not something white people in this country have ever historically had to worry about due to our skin colour and IMO we are not displaying enough understanding of this point when we shout "All Lives Matter". They SHOULD matter but quite a few lives seem to matter a lot less than others.

    Change is coming. People are no longer prepared to tolerate this shit.

    Rather than worrying about how it might make a dwindling number of racists feel, maybe we should get behind the solidarity message. It's the very least we can do. Upsetting a few bastards is an inevitability of any societal change and it's about time we  as a society started aggressively rooting them out. If the simple act of taking a knee is the way to do that then that's a good thing.

    Oh and blaming the taking of a knee for the uprise in racist attacks is as clear an example of victim blaming as you'll get. We should stop doing that.

    Your very first sentence suggests you take a simplistic look at racism. Do you really think that blacks are the only ones who are routinely discriminated against? Taking the knee is a singular gesture for ONE minority group. There are many minorities targeted by different groups. I feel singling out one section is counterproductive. Especially when it ignores other parts of society similarly maltreated. If you think I'm worried about how those malevolent idiots feel you don't, or don't want to, see my point.  I feel we need to be inclusive when pointing out and trying to end racism in ALL its forms. I think we need to move on and look at ALL those who are abused and threatened. I suggested from the outset that it would have been more appropriate to say, as Slarti alluded to, "Black lives matter TOO". To suggest I was blaming the movement for the upsurge in racism is, again, simplistic. I was suggesting that it creates a target. It singles out a group. It does the opposite from its intentions. As usual you take a snippit of a post and run with it which takes it out of context. 


  6. I've said for a while that this "taking the knee" has run its course and the recent apparent upsurge in abuse of high profile black and ethnic people may just be because it continues. In my opinion, highlighting one section of the population, even for the right reasons, is divisionary  and, eventually, counterproductive. To some this slogan may be tantamount to suggesting that other lives don't matter as much. It could, and may well did, give reactionaries a platform to further divide.

    For certain. Ensure we are all treated equal as far as creed and colour are concerned but ensure we are being inclusive when condemning those who seek to persecute and harass those who they see as different. After all. We are ALL precisely that. Different.

    Rant over. 


  7. 5 minutes ago, faraway saint said:

    Aye, but you deemed a 0-0 as shite, that also doesn't always compute.

    Anyhow, I'm done with you, like talking to a rather dull looking wall. :byebye

    Nope. I watched the game and I was not alone in deciding it was crap. It was absolutely NOT BECAUSE it was 0-0. Not surprised you didn't understand that.

    As for your stupid comment. It could be worse. You could be talking to someone as dull as yourself.

    hard to find that though.


  8. McGrath injury put paid to any lofty ambitions of another famous win. The first goal was terrible defensively and we collapsed after they got that spot kick. Even my Cellic supporting mate texted me and said, never a penalty. While they had nearly all the ball, we were just about holding on. Poor overall performance so we need to regroup and get ready for Aberdeen.


  9. Anybody help with a question about logging in to saints TV? My grandson has been able to watch with us up till now but that's not possible ATM. He tried logging in with his own ST info and he couldn't get access. He has a middle name on his ticket. so I told him to hyphen between all names. Anyone have a double barrelled name on the ST and, if so, do you use all three names for access?


  10. 22 minutes ago, Bud the Baker said:

    Best guess is that enough Republicans will vote against impeachment again not because they particularly like Trump (anymore) but because it will be the less embarrassing outcome for them.

    It depends on how strongly some feel about stopping Trump from running for office in the future. I think not enough will raise their heads above the parapet though.

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