RickMcD

Bollocks, you bollocks. Were you on the juice this evening?

See if this helps. Do you know where Mirin came from? Bangor, where I live. Nobody is sure where he was born but he was believed to be high born from a well-to-do family. His mother brought him to Bangor Abbey when he was very young to study under Comgal and in time he became prior of the abbey. Later he travelled to Scotland and founded Paisley Abbey. It's believed he was chummy with Columbus and of course in due course they became saints. These guys were not to be interfered with. When they said you better become a Christian, if you disagreed you could be in soapy. They used the bible in one hand and the sword in the other. Sounds vaguely familiar. An early form of terrorism. When I found that out when I moved over here, I told the guys over here I was doing the reverse journey to bring some badly needed culture. And do you know what the wee tinkers said? They said 'F**K away off back to Paisley ya Scottish twat!'

Who told you it was 2-49?

That's a cracker!

I couldn't swear to it but is a fud not supposed to be a useful thing? Were you actually complimenting us? What am I saying!

A real slum would have been luxury! Real luxury! The holes in our cardboard box only had........ Sod it! Just watch Monty Python.

You had windae panes? Ye mean real glass? In the 70s? Luxury! Sheer luxury! You must have lived in Snobsville.

I had similar problems this morning between 6am-7am.

I spotted two haggii in Marks and Spencers this morning. They're in my fridge now and I'm looking forward to getting my gnashers round them tonight.

Well that's OK, if the CIC goes ahead we'll have to make sure it is enshrined. With the fan involvement that is promised there should be no difficulty.

Thanks for that,Sid. My only criticism of the CIC bid was that far too long period where there was only total silence. I had always said I had no strong feeling one way or another thing. The funny thing is, as soon as it was confirmed that the CIC as was originally envisaged was no more, I had one of those what you would call an eppy fanny moment. I suddenly, and I don't know why, felt that just possibly a great opportunity might be slipping away. Absolutely illogical but there you are. That doesn't mean that I am now 100% convinced, but more sympathetic. However, I still think that what is unveiled next week has to be good. If it's airy fairy or in any way unconvinving it could well be dead in the water.

Can someone tell me, if a CIC/Co-Operative type syndicate takes over, is it absolutely impossible for anyone to assign the stadium to cover borrowing?

OK, Sid, I'm willing to accept this post at face value. I keep repeating this ad nauseam but I'm new to this forum and over the last few weeks it has seemed to me that you weren't prepared to brook anything that was even marginally critical of the CIC. Some of what was going on was bordering on personal abuse and I'm not particularly pointing the finger at you. There's little doubt that CIC/Co-Operative type plan of some sort has the support of a lot of Buddies. Getting almost 900 on board was a creditable performance and I get the feeling it may have been higher if things were handled a bit better. I think Richard Atkinson's 'team' are entitled to be heard again. But what they have to say better be good. They won't get another bite of the cherry. So at the moment let's all stop the 'Is The CIC Dead?' stuff and set aside personal animosities. We all want the best for St.Mirren (apart from Stuart Dickson.) Let's keep an open mind for a bit. Sid, how come you're Mr.Nice Guy at times and then five minutes later you're such a bollocks? I suppose it would be less fun right enough if you were more consistent.

If someone hasn't hijacked Sid's computer, is this not a u-turn of monumental proportions?

I've seen reference to a document that the CIC issued at the start of the whole issue. Is it available on line?

Oh dear! Are you sure there wasn't a link? Anyway, thank you very much. Right in the middle of 006 there's a blue thing looks a bit like a gate- don't know what the hell it was/is. Directly under it there's a young lad in a St.Mirren top. That's my son Scott.To his left you can see a slightly balding gentleman partly obscured by a bald guy leaning forward. I'm the only ever so slightly balding bloke. All the guys who posted got it in one.It was shite. I hate friendly matches and I only went because I don't get many chances to see Saints.

Shull, thanks for that. I hadn't seen any of that stuff. I looked at the photos earlier and I think I'm in one of them with my son. But I just tried to find them again and your post is still there but the link for the photos is missing. Probably I've done something stupid. Could you be a pal and send it again? And thanks to Bluto too.

I just don't see how you can say that all of the debate we've seen comes down to 'CIC is shit' and 'KMG bid is shit'. A lot of what has been posted has been perfectly reasonable with honest opinions having been given. You seem to think that any comment on the whole issue is hate driven. 'Sulk induced neurosis'. Take a good look at yourself,Sid. I keep asking myself, 'Just whose arse is Sid licking?' Are you looking for a seat on the board or something?

Thanks for that. It explains quite a lot that I've been trying to figure out. Complicated things these CICs.

Can you expand on what you mean by that? If St.Mirren are operating on a break even basis and the CIC do manage to purchase 52% of the shares, then that surely would allow them to use that as collateral. As I keep saying, I was late into this discussion and it may be that whoever has the remaining 48% might be able to operate some kind of embargo. The CIC might not want to use the stadium to borrow but surely it has a cash value?

Sid you've got a nerve going on about meandering and then coming out with all that crud about the new stadium. The big difference is that no new stadium, no more St.Mirren. That doesn't apply to the CIC. There are other ways for St.Mirren to go on to more success but I genuinely don't know if the CIC is the best way forward or whether it is still proceeding at all. There's mud slinging going on and I get the feeling the pro CIC brigade have adopted the stance that if your not for us, then you're against us. Paranoia,or what? I've certainly criticised the total lack of communication over the last few months. It now appears that there is an inner sanctum which has a lot more info than is generally available. Maybe there is something so sensitive that the club or CIC or both don't want it in the public domain but the total lack of any statement has to be totally unacceptable. 'sneaky-pandas like the donkey daft enough to emigrate to NorthrnIREland?' Not sure about sneaky. Panda I can live with, a black and white Saints fan.But donkey? That's as in 'hung like a donkey'. Shucks,Sid ,what can I say? I never like to talk about it.Maybe you know some of the many Paisley women I used to be 'friendly' with.

I've said before I don't have a strong view one way or another. I was late into any discussion and despite having read everything I can I'm still not completely clear how the whole damn thing is supposed to operate. Some posters seem two-faced about the whole process. (I was going to say ambivalent but I was feart I'd get accused of using big words like what Bluto does). blf started this thread on the 11th, of October. The CIC must be aware that the discussion is getting nearly to crescendo level. And yet, stony silence. If nothing else it's a PR disaster. I'm amazed there haven't been a stack of folk asking for their direct debits back. Some of the posters have said they feel that only pro CIC posters are welcome and although that's clearly not true I do sense an almost schoolmasterish attitude suggesting ' we know better than you so wrap up!' Some of the posters hint at a level of insider knowledge and if that's true it's a disgrace. There are I think 800 plus St.Mirren fans out there who have pledged to help the club and they're not even getting the mushroom treatment. They're being kept in the dark all right but they're not even getting fed shite. They're being starved of information. Sid, you've said the fans should pick up the phone and speak to the club. They shouldn't have to. You also said today. 'Not a single fact produced to date.' That's very true of the CIC. It's generally agreed that if the CIC is dead it's not a death knell for St.Mirren. For goodness sake let's hear something and stop suggesting it all has to be a state secret.

I agree completely with bud77 and ktf. We don't seem to have a multi millionaire willing to back us but even if we did he could make a mess of it anyway. But just what is going on with the CIC? Some of you guys and gals out there seem to have private sources but hee-haw is coming forth. Is it subject to a D-notice or covered by the Official Secrets Act? What can possibly be so hush-hush that fans can be told nothing? Tony Blair used to say 'Trust me. I'm Tony'. And that worked out OK. Didn't it?

I thought shull was short for shullin, the single version of which we used to need for the gas or electric meter. It's also,allegedly, judging by some of the accusations thrown at Shull in this forum, an amount of money he has never parted with.

Buddy or Buddie? I had this conversation with a Bairn I know and he wanted to know which was right,so I looked it up. Seems both get used. Is there an offeeeeshull version for the list? But so I can stay in your gang I'll use Buddy from now on. So,Shull, if Craig Whyte comes up to you singing 'Buddy Can You Spare A Dime?', I take it you'll knock him back?