RickMcD

I lived in Glenburn until 1970 and I don't remember a gang as such. But by the early 70's working in Glasgow the likes of the Maryhill Fleet and The Tongs (Ya Bass) were well known. Fleet Ya Bass and Tongs Ya Bass were daubed on walls over the city. On Queen Margaret Drive there was even BBC Ya Bass on walls and my favourite of all time,Tufty Club Ya Bass on Hope Street. The Charleston Mob was the first I came across but because a few guys from Glenburn were part of them and a few guys who were at Camphill with me, I never had any problem with them. A female cousin of mine knocked around with a real hard wee shit from the Charleston Mob. Ann refused to drink in The Charleston so her beau would come in the Tannahill where I drank at times and I got on OK with him, but didn't like him. My uncle didn't approve of him so the romance was doomed. That bloke ( I can't remember his name) died very young and at least another two who were at Camphill also died very young. Drink had a lot to do with it and I suppose drugs too. And does anyone remember a short lived phenomenon called The Little People? Was anyone a member? They were a younger mob largely made up of a young crowd from Ferguslie. The average age was probably about 15 but they surged around in packs of about sixty or seventy and it was quite frightening. They positively seethed violence. The Polis didn't seem to know how to handle them. They sometimes ran like hell in a big group and it was better to stay out the road. Don't recall exactly how much hurt or damage they caused but thankfully they were short lived. I blame Leonard Bernstein for it all.

Agree entirely. I'm sorry he's gone and I regarded him as a friend but he did seem to change and became a bit anti nearly everything St.Mirren. I hope he can come back some day, acknowledge he went a bit OTT, and start amusing us again. In the meantime, RIP Shull.

I enjoyed walking into my local club at teatime last night to see a crowd of guys bedecked in green crying into their pints of Guinness. I didn't gloat much. Honest!

I certainly don't. It seems that some people think buying a season ticket or paying £20 to see St.Mirren is a permit to use vituperative language against the team, the manager or even individual players. I wonder do they do the same if their wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, significant other or even worse, their children underperform. I suspect some of them do. There does indeed seem to be a thin line between love and hate.

I'm with you on this one, Oaky. Before the dust had settled over New York on 9/11 I had said to the present Mrs.McD that the conspiracy theorists would have a ball game with this. Haven't seen it all yet but nothing so far has struck me as convincing. How do you prove a negative? Or do I mean positive? Humpty Dumpty was pushed.

Agree completely, Drew. I'm amazed there haven't been questions asked in parliament. I know Freedom of speech is a good thing but I don't know why Dickhead is still allowed to post his shit. I thought you had to at least kid on you like St.Mirren a wee bit. Morton fans have occasionally said nicer things about our club than Dickson.

I'm with you on this one, Oaky, but why have you been awake for the past few hours? Insomniacs are us? I know about the other two. If St.Mirren can strengthen the squad a bit, of course they can stay up. Plenty time and matches. History doesn't always repeat itself. Oops there goes another rubber tree plant.

How about Under. Let's face, we're virtually always underdogs. The wife won't suss that.

Hi Div. Sorry for not responding before now. My son buggered about with my laptop and the problem seems to over. I can like away all I want. Thanks for your input. As it's the season of goodwill etc. can you ever forgive me for the cardinal sin I committed of posting in the wrong place. Some eejits take a hissy fit. You would think I had murdered a wean!

Are you dried out yet? Away and find a pretty dromedary. Without your dopey emoticons you would be speechless. If only.

I take it the sound of silence is deafening. This is the guy who won't spend the petrol money to drive from Arbroath to Paisley to see St.Mirren. He certainly won't spend the same petrol money to get humiliated by you. Says he has you on ignore but I bet he's itching to have a go at you. I don't know or care if I'm on ignore but we might see. I get a secret thrill out of his inane dismissive remarks. He says things like 'Run along' more often than StuDick posts shit and that takes some doing. I realise I might be doing him a disservice if he has PM'd you. Can't wait to hear from him.

Just about up to your usual pretty low standard of post. I am asking a genuine question, so what's your beef? Don't think you're far enough away from this forum yet. So come on, let's have another of your archetypal humorous ripostes.

Just tried to like this post, Shull. Clicked once very carefully, but up it came. Please don't read anything into that. So, it's still bloody happening.

Nice one. Just tried to like it, but the pop-up popped up. So far as my liking a StuDick post, maybe when hell freezes over.

Does anyone else get a pop-up with the above message when you 'like' a post? It comes up with a triangle on it containing a black exclamation mark. I mentioned it way back when Div updated the forum but I never heard anything back. From what I can see, the 'likes' do sometimes show up sometimes they don't. Am I doing something stupid, possibly for the first time in my life?

From scenes like these, old Scotia's grandeur springs.

I wasn't meaning to sound negative. I voted Yes Yes. Seems to me it's almost a drop in the ocean but I suppose every little helps. PS Wonder if antrin will metamorphasise that. At least I think that's what I mean.

Bloody hell! Didn't spot that.

Got to admit that I've been asking myself the same questions. Is there an air of desperation around?

The biggest clown on the forum never gives up on his mantra. Community, community, community. It's apparently the answer to all St.Mirren's problems. I believe the credible posters on here that we do an appreciable amount for the community whereas the clown says we do nothing. One thing the old board and the new board have in common is rightfully ignoring the clown. He doesn't understand what 'Don't ring us, we'll ring you' means. Community involvement is a desirable, but when we're firefighting it can go on the back burner. I suppose the undersoil heating would never have broken down if only we had been a community club.

You can accidentally kill someone and still have committed a crime. I'm pretty sure culpable homicide still figures in Scottish Law. If you drive along the Glasgow Road at 75 mph and kill a child, step out of your car pleading 'It's OK, I didn't mean it', do you think you walk free? Clarke had already fallen asleep at the wheel of a bus, but luckily at a bus stop. An inspector woke him up and the inspector had to drive the bus back to the depot. Clarke resigned the job before it could be taken any further. He then lied to obtain the job with the Cleansing Department. The City Council were to put it mildly, very slipshod with the handling of his job application and of course Clarke lied about his medical history. He again resigned from his new job just before the tribunal. History repeating itself. I'm sure ZA will comment on this again and I respect his views and opinions but he will never convince me that natural justice came within a country mile of this case. We all know the law can be an ass at times. At least the commonly held view is that Clarke is a bit of low life. How must the relatives of the dead and the injured be feeling with the second anniversary coming up next week?

We are not talking about a little white lie. He deliberately lied because he knew if he disclosed his problem he wouldn't have got the job. He caused six deaths, not deliberately, but because he was prepared to gamble with innocent people's lives. The punishment meted out to him in no way fitted the crime.

I think it's worse. He lied about his health and should never have been behind the wheel of any vehicle. The insurance payout for that incident will be huge. Who's paying it? The insurance company could refuse to pay because of the non-disclosure of an existing medical condition. That had already caused Clarke a job with the bus company when an inspector caught him asleep behind the wheel at a bus stop. The George Square deaths would never have happened had Clarke told the truth I wouldn't be surprised if the good burghers of Glasgow pay the costs if the insurance company voids the claim as they assuredly are entitled to.

I bow to your greater experience of the machinations of the legal system, but tell me, do you think justice has been served in this case? Why should it have required a private prosecution in any event? Six people dead, God knows how many still suffering from their injuries let alone grieving families. If the puny sentence Clarke got is in the opinion of our esteemed legal profession his just desserts, can we please have a new justice system?

I suppose I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt about the efficacy of your final sentence. As far as I am aware StuDick is the only current poster I have on ignore. The disappointing thing I feel, is the number of really good guys who respond to his every post. Virtually never to congratulate him- Normally to denigrate him and his views. And the mind numbing time the words wanky pish are used is mind boggling. I hope you noticed I suggested ignoring him for a month. That was purely to see what reaction there would be from him. This guy genuinely seems bemused that St.Mirren FC can turn down his oft repeated offers to help. He doesn't understand why. Answers on a postcard.......