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It has been mentioned by a couple of people, that some of us overseas fans support the club by paying to watch the live home games on SMTV. Will this service still be available or be replaced by the SKY deal? We are in effect paying for a "virtual" Season Ticket annually. What happens when games with fans start again? I do not want to start a debate about camera work etc. Although the University footage is not perfect, it far better than nothing.

Watching the cup goal, for some reason it reminded me of the recent obika goal against Hearts. No alcohol involved!!! Of of course no comparison with Ferguson. But just thinking about how important goals can be. All this hassle about relegation was hanging on a few of Obika,s “lucky” strikes. Would there have been the same uproar if it was us instead of Hearts in the relegation spot. Heard the Hamilton GM ask the same question last week on Sportsound. Sporting integrity my arse!!!

Fully agree with you about 3-4. I was only talking about short term. People really need to get a grip of themselves. We in serious s**t up to our necks for next few weeks.

Don’t know if boris has it right or not, but just getting fed up with every other politician who has no real responsibility, jumping on the “I know better” bandwagon. Scoring political points at this time is s**t. What happened to national unity, caring about the people? same with panic buyers etc. No thought for others. Hope the guys with all the handgel gets it from somebody that has none. We all need a share of everything. china and Asia have different culture but when government said or demanded stay at home, they did it. Here we want freedom, want to go to pub etc. “Nobody tells me what to do” culture. Absolutely bonkers. Next it will be the civil liberty claims. Government cannot tell me what to do lt! britain waken up. Batten down the hatches. Nobody knows when officially started in China, but Lets say mid Jan. over worse of it now. Relatively short time period. There sadly will be deaths but even with the greatest care, these will inevitably happen. The country at large needs to get a grip, knuckle down for next 4-6 weeks and let’s get through it as best we can. To all all of you. Be sensible, do the hand washing, stay safe, look after others, lets get through this

We really need to stop the usual posters. Blame everybody. Rename this post “season all to play for”. Thiat is what Jim and the team need to focus on. Survival and as high a finish as possible. Cup would have even great but if I and my fellow investors are going to get our monies worth, we need to stay up.

I think the outcome is challenging for all parties. No matter how we look at it, all are investing greatly in something that is at the heart of all of us, St Mirren. I sincerely hope that Kibble help to grow the business, because in a few years, we, the fans will own 51% of the club. Many forgot that 51% is ownership, 70% was just a bigger number All this chat of GLS being a Simsa member and not allowed to sell his personal shares to benefit himself, having ensured that the fans have 51% is just pettiness. So he offloaded 8% so what! i am part of the minority’s of private shareholders. I bought some years ago just to be a part of the club. It was an ambition since boyhood. Remember those days you trawled the PDS looking for a small add selling st mirren shares. I then invested further when we had to get an all seater stadium. I would remind those sanctimonious members out there who think about fan ownership, most of the past share offerings were not taken up by grass root fans and had to be underwritten by people like Gordon, Stewart, George,. The final seats to make old love street an approved all seater stadium were bought by Jim Purvis. I doubt I will ever get the opportunity to sell those shares like GLS so what. It was a from the heart investment. GSL has a far higher value and I have no issue with him being able to offload them. the veto has taken on mammoth proportions but I would question its actual worth. The issues you can veto go to the fundamentals of the club. Day to day business is unlikely to be vetoed. If there is something that Kibble actually want to veto, as a fan shareholder I would have serious questions about what was going on that makes them take such a stand my only question, and it is something that has annoyed me for many years. In the bad time, 3 games postponed in winter, no income and the old shareholders had to give loans to aid cash flow, I have always worried how fan ownership handled that. Recently I have heard talk of a contingency fund. Is it only the major shareholder that needs to have that or will kibble equally have some cash to help us through tough cash flow times.. let us look at the German model 50%+1 is fan ownership and you run the club that is where we will be shortly As I type I think of brexit at end of it, all need to pull together in reading the pros and cons over past few weeks, I have seen some personal axes to grind, but at the end of the day we are all fans and want the best for our coub juat think what COYS means to each of us that is what is in our hearts

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/sfa-mark-rangers-below-st-16414298 Not that we need a UEFA licence this year, but how do we get such a good overall rating and get refused a licence. Interesting to see the artificial pitch ratings. Think the overall rating shows how well managed a "small' club we are. Apologies didn't see same thing listed under the very subtke "we've won gold thread".

Don't know if it is the academy system or something their mother puts in their tea but all 3 McGinns' all come with "the right stuff". They all have given 100% for the Club and jersey. Not always our greatest individual players but when you look at their attitude, professionalism, commitment etc. a lot of other players could learn from them about what it means to be a 'professional". If some of our "talented" prima donna's over the years had shared that attitude, they may have gone on to far greater heights. Both McGinns have had their lows this season but don't think the fans ever doubted their commitment. That attitude OK has instilled in whole team.

Subtle difference between "save the pot" and "save the pot for a rainy day when we have fan ownership". I think in hindsight that the proposal at the AGM may have got a very different outcome if many fans like me had realised that they could cast a "proxy vote". As it was the proposal was decided by a room full of virtualy SMISA committee members so it never was going to get a fair chance. It's not the committee's fault that things like the AGM are poorly attended. that sadly is the way things like that are supported. It may have been good to have a proper agenda and any proposals requiring voting sent out in advance and the members options regards a proxy vote explained. Despite the above, I do thank the Committee for their hard work in supporting our club.

Service normally Ok for me. Most times it freezes it tends to be my server. I know it not the most professional service but it overall provides a good service. Can certainly understand the frustration if expecting to be watching the Buddies Certainly miss it on away games. So far this year broke my heart to give Rangers the money and had to listen to terrible Blue Nose commentator, Aberdeen insist you sign up for a month, yesterday St Johnstone don’t offer the service at all. Last season good service at Dunfermline but nothing from ICT. Amazed at how few clubs provide it good Saturday night in , 2 hours of Off the Ball, out for food when radio Scotland locks out overseas listeners then back for the game! Service certainly appreciated my this ex pat Buddie Really looking forward to getting up at 3am on Wednesday for the Motherwell game. pity about the results!!!

Dreading watching Brown getting away with kicking, bullying the midfield and allowing the remaining Celtic midfield to run over us. Like him or loath him, he brings that Billy Abercrombie, Goodwin strength to the mid-field that we are severely lacking these days. Just hope the young guys don't get caught up in his antics. He always seems to get sympathy from refs, while our guys get booked for first tackle! Early to bed tonight, then up in middle of night to watch game live on internet!

So does anybody know what the final shareholding would be after the fans buy club. Main share holdings going forward I would guess at Bought by Fans under the current purchase plan 51% (old Boards shares) Existing SMISA Share Holding? ? Existing GS Personal share holding ? Other existing small share holders ?

Plenty of talk about season ticket sales, does anybody know if St Mirren TV will be up and running again next season? Not sure with the Premier League if club can still offer it. OK not a huge part of club finances but last season saw about 100 of us on line for most home games.

As some have said above, Jack is a professional who rightly so is looking after his career. Who wouldn’t? I think every moment he has been with the club he has given us 110% when he goes, and it looking increasingly likely he will, let us thank him for the incredible journey he has taken us on over past 18 months. When you start mud slinging, think back 14 point off the bottom of the league. Just remember how that felt, then remember The celebrations last month. He will be a hard act to follow as he has not only coached the team but has rebuilt the spirit in the club. the next guy produces a few good results, we will be asking “Jack who?”, Jack has a bad start to next season and the usual suspects would be baying for his head we football fans are impossible to please. If honest, we have no loyalty either. Our memories are only as good as the last 3 results the King is dead, long live the King!

I don’t know if they are obliged to include players and managers from the lower leagues, but isn’t it a great compliment to our club’s season to see Jack, Lewis and Cammy getting recognition nationally and from their peers. Irrespective of the outcomes, we are all proud of what they achieved for us.

Morgan is what we all like, a fast player willing to run at defence, scores goals. A joy to watch. Yes he should getting awards But every time Cammy has been injured or dropped I panicked about our form. He is the workhorse of the forward set up. He just seems to the one who makes the Riley, Morgan, Maggines gel. He links back to the grafters in the middle of the park. When he’s not there, they become disjointed. So both Morgan and him shared my votes. Morgan was an obvious for the Players Player of the Year but isn’t it great that Cammy recognised as well. i suspect Morgan will get the nod, just because of the type of player he is. Cammy can rightly be proud of a great season even if he looses out.

Not having made the SMISA AGM i am cautious about commenting on any SMISA responce. Since asking in my last post, i am still not sure as a 12 pound payer whether I am actually a member of SMISA or not. I am still no clearer as to what is truth and to quote Mr Trump false news. In simple terms, I and I suspect many others who have been reading this latest episode will be watching a lot closer to see that the money for the astroturf is genuinely being paid back in installments from the monthly two pounds. Having got us in to such confusion, SMISA have a huge responsibility to be seen to be totally above reproach on this matter going forward. Please help restore our confidence in the BTB plan. we are at a great place currently on the pitch, lets combine that with some positive thoughts about the way forward to fan ownership. COYS and BTB

Party in paisley tonight. To my 100 fellow buddies that watch on St Mirren Tv, enjoy the party no matter where you are in world. Even with air conditioning on I was sweating like a pig for the last 15 minutes. Party in Bangkok tonight.’ Congratulations to Jack and everybody involved with St Mirren tonight. What a journey we have been on!

It has all become terribly confusing on here for the ordinary fan who bought in to the idea of buying the club. Quite frankly, I and I suspect many other fans are sick of seeing personal vendettas from either inside or outside of SMISA. Some of it may be factual and very valid points but it is so difficult for the ordinary fan member to separate fact from fake news. The forum is an “open debating shop” but for many fans it is also a way of keeping up with what is going on within the wider St Mirren world. In the past, I bought a small amount of shares to do my thing in supporting the club. The £12 spend seemed a natural thing to do. If honest, I didn’t really look at the constitution when I signed up this time. I suspect most of us just want to see a future for the Club. Happy to assume our money is gathering in a big bucket to be handed over to Gordon and at that point we will have a real discussion about how the members run the club. Unfortunately it is that naivity that many of the hard liners either within SMISA or on the fringe are depending on to let them have their way. The role of SMISA in this whole affair has always confused me. Paying my £12, am I a member of SMISA or simply an outsider funding them? How are we going to get a responsible board out of a group that struggles to get sufficient support to fill its committee? Not fully their fault, we are mostly apathetic when it comes to stepping forward to support such groups even if we like what they do for our club. The £2 spend is a commendable idea, but even there, it is becoming more contentious as every quarter goes by. I sometimes read some of the ideas, question their relevance and wonder whose personal hobby horse it really is. I am an early voter. I tend to read the papers as they come out and “trust’ what I read to base my decision on. Yes I am guilty of being an uninformed voter. Having seen this month’s ensuing debate that situation will certainly change going forward. This recent spate of posting has just brought home to me how fragile this whole set up is. I know SMISA don’t post on forum, fair point, but perhaps a formal statement to clarify the legality of it all is needed. That wasn’t fully clarified in the original proposal. Part of me feels sorry for SMISA, they could in fact be doing a great job and this is simply somebody stirring things. I do however think that given the mud slinging regarding the legal situation of what is a substantial sum, they do need to respond. There is a lot of reference to SMISA being a “community group” with obligations to the wider community around the club. That is all well and fine, but they are also custodians of my and many other people’s money in our attempt to take the club in to fan ownership. Perhaps they need to be careful in not mixing up these two objectives. The £2 spend they can play with to meet their community responsibilities but the £10 is to be managed to buy the club shares as soon as possible. The 3 monthly spend has been contentious for a while now and if we are not careful it will only get worse. I sadly am one of those remote fans who doesn’t stay in Paisley and can’t attend games or SMISA events, but that doesn’t mean I don’t care how my money is being managed toward a dream of fans owning the club.

For the St Mirren TV fans around the world, I received the following from Dundee United about watching Tuesday night’s game on Internet. you will find our live games situated on our official website under the ArabZONE tab and entitled watch live. https://www.dundeeunitedfc.co.uk/arabzone/watch-live#clip=97f52ebmss0s The St Mirren game will be live from Monday to purchase. don’t have a cost but at this stage in the season, but who cares! Looks like another late night in Bangkok

Does anybody remember a game at Ibrox where we won 4-1 with Aly McLeod scoring all 4? I think it was a mid week League Cup game in mid 70’s

Do any of the Saints supporters abroad, know if Livingstone broadcast games live? I can find LivTV up to about 2017 but nothing to say if can get today’s game. Even if it means giving money to Livingstone, at this stage every game is a potential cracker.

I was a season ticket holder up until I moved to Bangkok last March. It was great to watch Jack give us the great escape. Watched last few games on St Mirren TV. My Thai friends couldn't understand why I was sweating when Hibs went 1 up! But we survived Stevie Mallan leaving, one of those things, I think most fans knew it was going to happen someday. Jack's clear out in January and at end of season did what a lot of us thought. Players coming in looked positive step. loosing Loy was only real,disappointment. Pre season hype, had us all thinking it was going to be easy now reality sinking in first few results, it looked positive, we all started thinking we are world beaters. Last few results brought us crashing back to earth. I for one find Jack's interviews positiv. If that what he saying to,players, all well and good. lets not reach for the total gloom and doom too,soon. As St Mirren fans, this the hand life deals us, we have all seen this before. Come end of September and still crap, my views may change. Until then. Let's get behind manager and team. COYS

Is it worth any of the supporters who are shareholders attending on Thursday at the EGM to remove KMG. Does anybody think there will be any discussion on the state of the club or will it simply be a vote with the consortium waving it's 52% and goodbye KMG? Good opportunity for club to give it's views on some of the current situations regards SPL vote, Rangers, KMG etc. but based on past performance, I expect a 2 minute meeting. Do not even expet a fuller discussion on the actual KMG situation.

Up front I should say that I am warming to the CIC idea and I think it can work but when you get behind the emotional hype that is going on at present, a few fundamental points need to be clearly put down in black and white so that we all know exactly how this is going to protect St Mirren and the fans RA formally owns 10000hrs CIC company, the set up of the Executive Board is at present a bit wooly, there are 100 shares in 10000Hours owned by Christopher Stewart - these are the facts about how the CIC was set up. RA did however state that the St Mirren purchase part of it will be ringfenced within anything else that he does. That would need to be very clear in any Constitution, Company rules. I for one want to know my money is kept in St Mirren and not part of a wider social experiment, certainly in short / medium term. There may be wider benefits long term but let's make sure our own house is in order first. I agree with coments elsewhere in posts, long term if after debt is paid off and membership fees are continuing, then I would be happy to keep paying them if above applies. Then I knew any monies raised either through membership fees or earnings was put back in to the St Mirren CIC, in turn to SMFC. (always remebmer we got in to having a majority consortium as fans never put their money where their voices were on past two share issues which were undersubscribed and dug out by SG, GC, BMcA and JP etc.) A membership which gets you access to a bar only is not really that much of an attraction to many, but as long as the "company rules" clearly indicate about voting rights, limitations on Exec Board and the St Mirren part stays in St Mirren fans's wider controls then it should work. The whole subject of fan ownership gets very emotive, get the juices flowing and is easy for Richard to put a spin on it as we all love thought that we wil be in control. We will get the chance once a year to elect half the board and hopefully pick folks we think are smart enough to run our club. That is in reality the control we all talk about. I do not see there being any more day to day control, but I and many fans do not really expect any more. Maybe a few social events or a "fashion show" night once a year where the strip manufacturer shows strip options for following year and we, the wider membership gets to choose it. Is there a company secretary / law expert out there in our membership who clearly understands this whole set up, who is not part of 10000hours, that can look at this and assure us all it is 100% kosher. If so, please tell us it works and we will flock to the cause. Let's get through the hype, get some clear proposals and if all well and good, get behind the buyout, it could be exciting times ahead for the Club we all love. On a slightly different thread was at a dinner last night and chatted to many St Mirren fans who are blissfully unaware all of this is going on. That is a bit worrying at this stage if RA is as close to closing deal with funders as he indicated on Thursday.