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What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

Come on Elvis!
We need you to say it's an 'absolute certainty' we are going to get humped, like you were in the days before the Hibs game.

My bad, forgot about your 1921 cup win, will edit tomorrow.
I would say if we took the average home gates from both clubs this century you'd see the degree of difference in size between the clubs. After a quick glance at average attendances for last few years it won't surprise you to learn I've yet to find one where Thistle come close to St Mirren.
Take last seasons league campaigns for example. You had a largely competitive title winning campaign which will always bring out the crowds and an astounding 8875 home gate against Morton. Just another season in 11th for us, our largest gate being 6200 odd. Due to Dundee being cut off we really had nothing to play for most of the season.
Despite these mitigating factors in Thistles favour, we still had a higher average gate than you.

Pointless question that doesn't matter some might say, and i can fully understand that point of view. However, we don't have a game for two weeks, so it's a wee filler thread to try take discussion away from Danny Lennon. I feel that it does matter, i feel it matters in terms of defining your own expectations of the club. I will leave you to make up your mind on how to define how ' big ' a club is. In my opinion it's a mixture of history, fan base and achievement.
For me there's the 6 city clubs ( Celtic, Newco, Hibs, Hearts, Aberdeen and Dundee Utd ) who are bigger than us without question. They have far bigger fan bases, more trophies and bigger budgets.
For me we are in the small group behind the city clubs. The 3 biggest 'town clubs' in the country are - in my opinion - ourselves, Kilmarnock and Motherwell. Us and the Well have 4 major honours, Killie have 5. I'm aware that both of them have enjoyed a bit more success - particularly in the league - in recent years. I feel this is cancelled out when you take into consideration the finances of each club. The Well have been in admin and Killie have racked up about £8 million in debt. Us on the other hand, haven't been in admin and are debt free. We also have pretty similar fan bases, therefore i feel we that the three of us are clubs of roughly equal size.
That of course means i feel we are bigger than the next tier of town clubs. I would largely put clubs like Falkirk (2 honours), Dunfermline (2 honours), Morton (1 honour), Partick Thistle (2 honours), St Johnstone (0 honours) on the next step below us. They all have smaller fan bases and have all achieved less in the game.
Then there is clubs who are anomalies who i find difficult to place. ICT and Ross County for example, two relatively new clubs who have fan bases comparable to the teams in the tier below us and who have both made major finals in this decade. Not as big as us yet of course, but maybe could be in the future? Maybe already bigger than some (Morton) in the tier below us? Then Dundee, i have no idea what to think about Dundee. They have 4 honours too, but the last one was more than 40 years ago, we have 2 since then. I think they have more fans than us but i can't remember them being better than us without cheating. Whenever they aren't cheating they seem to finish below us. Are they bigger than us? Personally i would say no.
Therefore i would have us as joint 7th biggest team in the country. I can't separate us from Motherwell and Killie. What do you think?

The apologists here are absolutely cringeworthy. Our sitting midfielder shouldn't be making tackles? Ridiculous view fuelled by nothing but an absolute hatred of our captain. A certain element won't be happy till they've hounded Goodwin out of the club.

Did Campbell play well yesterday or, now were winning, is he not the "Must play" player some were screaming for over the last few months?

It would be great if St Mirren fans actually watched the incident instead of sticking the boot into Goodwin at every unwarranted opportunity. No wonder he is vilified by the officials and the press when our own supporters are no better. It's disgraceful.

As has been mentioned, McGinn and McLean were outstanding today, but I would like to give a big shout to our centre halfs. They have been a bit shaky at times, but they threw themselves at everything for the cause this afternoon. Great to see.
We cannot ask for any more than what the players are giving us. So good to come away from a game feeling that way.
I am very proud to be a Buddie tonight!

Find it hard to think about anything else before this game. I didn't know Simon other than that he was a familiar face at the Saints games that I'd nod to. I do know that he was brutally murdered a few hours after following the Buds on our last trip to Firhill.
On a lighter note, if we win this we are safe.

I think you just got whooshed mate.

Find it hard to think about anything else before this game. I didn't know Simon other than that he was a familiar face at the Saints games that I'd nod to. I do know that he was brutally murdered a few hours after following the Buds on our last trip to Firhill.
On a lighter note, if we win this we are safe.

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

Well here's a season defining 45 minutes approaching if I've ever seen one.
By all accounts in the main stand Goodwins red card was incorrect, we move on and discuss that after the game.
For now we have 10 men and we are defending a 2 goal lead against the worst attack in the league, and we are doing well so far. If I had to pick 1 team in the league to defend a 2 goal lead with 10 men, I'd pick Hibs.
We need to believe we will win this, we can win this. Would you have taken a 2 goal lead and a man down at half time? I would have.
Believe in us, it's here. Come on you Saints!

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

Well here's a season defining 45 minutes approaching if I've ever seen one.
By all accounts in the main stand Goodwins red card was incorrect, we move on and discuss that after the game.
For now we have 10 men and we are defending a 2 goal lead against the worst attack in the league, and we are doing well so far. If I had to pick 1 team in the league to defend a 2 goal lead with 10 men, I'd pick Hibs.
We need to believe we will win this, we can win this. Would you have taken a 2 goal lead and a man down at half time? I would have.
Believe in us, it's here. Come on you Saints!

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

What a great performance from our team. What great attacking before the red card, what great defending after it.
Brilliant, I think we are favourites for 7th place.

Well here's a season defining 45 minutes approaching if I've ever seen one.
By all accounts in the main stand Goodwins red card was incorrect, we move on and discuss that after the game.
For now we have 10 men and we are defending a 2 goal lead against the worst attack in the league, and we are doing well so far. If I had to pick 1 team in the league to defend a 2 goal lead with 10 men, I'd pick Hibs.
We need to believe we will win this, we can win this. Would you have taken a 2 goal lead and a man down at half time? I would have.
Believe in us, it's here. Come on you Saints!