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What are the board playing at? Why can't they make a decision now?
Seems like they're deliberately trying to wind Danny and the players up. Our preparations for next season must start ASAP. If this is going to be under Danny, back him now. If it's not, start the recruitment process of a new manager now.
This needless time wasting is hurting the club.

What are the board playing at? Why can't they make a decision now?
Seems like they're deliberately trying to wind Danny and the players up. Our preparations for next season must start ASAP. If this is going to be under Danny, back him now. If it's not, start the recruitment process of a new manager now.
This needless time wasting is hurting the club.

Disappointed in that. More due to the fact that if Danny doesn't get a deal, he won't get the chance to get a proper farewell at the weekend.

Disappointed in that. More due to the fact that if Danny doesn't get a deal, he won't get the chance to get a proper farewell at the weekend.

Jeez, undecided isn't an option!
There's no case for Danny to get a new deal, and i'm not surprised most fans who've voted in this and other polls want him out.

Jeez, undecided isn't an option!
There's no case for Danny to get a new deal, and i'm not surprised most fans who've voted in this and other polls want him out.

Jeez, undecided isn't an option!
There's no case for Danny to get a new deal, and i'm not surprised most fans who've voted in this and other polls want him out.

My personal opinion on Danny has not changed despite the revival in our fortunes over the past few weeks.
I think he's taken us as far as he can, and frankly I don't trust him to be able to rebuild the squad in the summer.
We have at times played some great stuff under him, we won a major trophy and we survived 4 years in the Premiership under his management. He's a very nice bloke by all accounts and he has served the club well. But................
His dealings in the transfer market have been absolutely terrible. He's wasted a lot of his available resources on duds, and he has consistently failed to address key problem areas in the side. It's also a bit of an urban myth now that we play entertaining football. The verve and swagger of two seasons ago has long gone IMHO.
I think we need a new man at the helm to rebuild the squad for next season. Yes there is a risk it could go wrong, but I think if we are in any way ambitious we have to get out of this cycle of "just surviving" each season. We should be looking at the likes of ICT & St.Johnstone of examples of clubs with similar budgets to ourselves who have massively outperformed us this season.
I won't cry if the board decide to give Danny another year but for me, personally, I'd rather we went our separate ways and we got a chance to say goodbye on Saturday. He deserves that at least.

Board meeting tomorrow. Can't see him surviving it.
Announcement tomorrow/Friday let him say his goodbyes on the park on Saturday?

Danny's has had a good run at it, it's someone else's turn now.

Our worst defender tonight was Darren McGregor. It really amazes me how people think Cheesy was worse.
Darren gave Chris a short back pass on a wet pitch twice in about 20 minutes, and his distribution was awful, at one point in the first half he just passed it directly out the park. He's the weak link in that back 4 and he needs replaced in the summer.
The team should have been changed before the match. That 11 have played a lot of football recently and a drop off was inevitable.

Our worst defender tonight was Darren McGregor. It really amazes me how people think Cheesy was worse.
Darren gave Chris a short back pass on a wet pitch twice in about 20 minutes, and his distribution was awful, at one point in the first half he just passed it directly out the park. He's the weak link in that back 4 and he needs replaced in the summer.
The team should have been changed before the match. That 11 have played a lot of football recently and a drop off was inevitable.

Our worst defender tonight was Darren McGregor. It really amazes me how people think Cheesy was worse.
Darren gave Chris a short back pass on a wet pitch twice in about 20 minutes, and his distribution was awful, at one point in the first half he just passed it directly out the park. He's the weak link in that back 4 and he needs replaced in the summer.
The team should have been changed before the match. That 11 have played a lot of football recently and a drop off was inevitable.

Our worst defender tonight was Darren McGregor. It really amazes me how people think Cheesy was worse.
Darren gave Chris a short back pass on a wet pitch twice in about 20 minutes, and his distribution was awful, at one point in the first half he just passed it directly out the park. He's the weak link in that back 4 and he needs replaced in the summer.
The team should have been changed before the match. That 11 have played a lot of football recently and a drop off was inevitable.

We played poorly tonight, no getting away from that. Hard to blame the players though.
They've just had four high pressure intense games, and in each one they've stood up and delivered. Now the pressure was off it's human reaction for there be a little bit of a drop off, and there was. That's why I was surprised Danny didn't freshen up the team.
Well that's us behind Thistle and back in 8th place, could yet finish 10th...

We played poorly tonight, no getting away from that. Hard to blame the players though.
They've just had four high pressure intense games, and in each one they've stood up and delivered. Now the pressure was off it's human reaction for there be a little bit of a drop off, and there was. That's why I was surprised Danny didn't freshen up the team.
Well that's us behind Thistle and back in 8th place, could yet finish 10th...

We played poorly tonight, no getting away from that. Hard to blame the players though.
They've just had four high pressure intense games, and in each one they've stood up and delivered. Now the pressure was off it's human reaction for there be a little bit of a drop off, and there was. That's why I was surprised Danny didn't freshen up the team.
Well that's us behind Thistle and back in 8th place, could yet finish 10th...

Comparing apples and oranges there. 2 of those managers are managing in the top flight for the first time. 1 had a transfer embargo and a points deduction and is in his first full season, 1 took over almost half way into the season and 1 is in his second season at this level.
This is Danny's 4th season. He has been at our club for longer than 4 of those managers combined have been at theres. If this was his first season of course it would be harsh to regard him as a failure, it isn't though.
He has been given ample chance to take us forward and he hasn't done it. Here's an article from November 2011, when Rangers and Hearts were still in the league. Danny had just signed the extension which is now about to expire.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/st-mirren-extend-manager-danny-1087664
Danny's self stated ambition then was to make us... And I'm quoting him here ' A regular top 6 side '.
Since then Rangers have died and Hearts have went into admin, in the process making 2 additional top 6 places available for teams like us. It is actually easier to get in the top now than it was when Danny's ambition was to make us top 6 regulars!
Not only has he failed in his self states ambition of making us 'top 6 regulars'. We haven't even been in contention for it once, never mind actually getting there. We could be a St Johnstone or a Motherwell or an ICT in league terms. These teams are no bigger than us, infact two of them are smaller than us. They're 'top 6 regulars' we aren't. Why?
I know people will now say yeah yeah but we won a cup. We certainly did, and what a win it was, the 4th greatest day in our clubs history. What a team we had last year, and we seen how good they could be in the cup.
We had Isma, who moved on to play for a team who's recently played in the last 16 of the UCL. We had Dummett, who is now a first choice player for a team in the top half of the EPL. Thompson and Teale were both Scottish internationalists, they both said they felt they were playing some of the best stuff of their career last year. Add all these players to our fine young midfield and it's no surprise we won the cup, we had the potential to be a fantastic team, and we showed that potential in the cup. Our squad last year was far better than it is this year IMO.
All the more surprising therefore, that we finished 11th last term. Apart from those 5 games last season our campaign was an absolute disgrace. Cup win aside, that team underachieved on an industrial scale. Nothing's changed this year, Jim Goodwin admits we've underachieved yet again. Only this time we don't have a cup run to take away the pain.
Therefore, if consistent self confessed underachievement, being in a relegation scrap most of the time and in the bottom 6 all of the time is what you want from St Mirren, Danny is your man. He's done it for 4 years, he'll do it for another 4 if we let him. This is what he does. If you'd like to see us move on and maybe even challenge for the top half one year (it's not an unrealistic ambition, promise), then we need a new manager.

Not really following your point here. Is it that some managerial changes work and some don't? If it is that, fair enough. Why then, do you only cite changes that haven't worked, whilst ignoring the changes that have worked?
AJ's appointment by Killie from the lower leagues hasn't worked, McNamara's appointment by Dundee United from the lower league has worked.
Morton's change of manager during the season hasn't worked, Dundee's change of manager during the season has worked.
Cardiff's change of manager hasn't worked, meanwhile Palace and Sunderland's change of management have been huge successes.
Your point of some appointments working and some isn't is valid, your examples need to be more balanced though.
I think this list is more pertinent to this thread, it's a list of Danny's signings this season.
Summer - December
Cornell - Fail
Harkins - Fail
Bahoken - Fail
Kello - Success
Caprice - Fail
Grainger - Fail
Dilo -Success
Dillon - Fail
January till now
Djemba-Djemba - Huge fanfare, huge - Fail.
Campbell - Danny chased him for about a year, now he's got him he doesn't even use him from the bench anymore. A couple of flashes but nothing consistent - Fail.
Magennis - Josh is a good impact sub, but whenever he's started he's been hopeless. The home game against St Johnstone and the game at Tannadice being the examples that spring to mind. Definitely not a success, would say fail is a bit harsh though - Don't know.
Wylde - Haven't seen enough from Gregg to convince me he has what it takes to be a regular first team player. Again, he has looked best coming off the bench and playing against tiring defences, but has struggled when starting. He's here next season though, so will be judged then - Juries still out.
There you go. I make that 2 successes and 8 failures from 12 signings, and both of the successes were goalkeepers!
These aren't the teething mistakes of a new manager, Danny is one of the most experienced bosses in the league. His summer of Beath debacle was excused with the lack of experience card, he can't play that same card 3 years later, it's clear he hasn't learned.
Can any Saints fan look at that and genuinely believe Danny is the right man to lead us into another vital summer window? Look at the amount of the clubs money he's wasted on duds there. It should not and cannot be allowed to happen again. It's too big a gamble to trust him with the clubs money for yet another season, he's thrown away enough of it.

The Premiership team has a similar break. The first leg of the play off final is on the 21st of May, a week and a half after our season ends.
I've said all season that I think the team who finishes 11th will be relegated. Whoever it is will be on a massive downer, whereas the Championship team will be going the other way and on a huge high.
I hope it's QOTS too, a decent away day and I think they will pose little threat next season.

The Premiership team has a similar break. The first leg of the play off final is on the 21st of May, a week and a half after our season ends.
I've said all season that I think the team who finishes 11th will be relegated. Whoever it is will be on a massive downer, whereas the Championship team will be going the other way and on a huge high.
I hope it's QOTS too, a decent away day and I think they will pose little threat next season.

Whoops!

Not really following your point here. Is it that some managerial changes work and some don't? If it is that, fair enough. Why then, do you only cite changes that haven't worked, whilst ignoring the changes that have worked?
AJ's appointment by Killie from the lower leagues hasn't worked, McNamara's appointment by Dundee United from the lower league has worked.
Morton's change of manager during the season hasn't worked, Dundee's change of manager during the season has worked.
Cardiff's change of manager hasn't worked, meanwhile Palace and Sunderland's change of management have been huge successes.
Your point of some appointments working and some isn't is valid, your examples need to be more balanced though.
I think this list is more pertinent to this thread, it's a list of Danny's signings this season.
Summer - December
Cornell - Fail
Harkins - Fail
Bahoken - Fail
Kello - Success
Caprice - Fail
Grainger - Fail
Dilo -Success
Dillon - Fail
January till now
Djemba-Djemba - Huge fanfare, huge - Fail.
Campbell - Danny chased him for about a year, now he's got him he doesn't even use him from the bench anymore. A couple of flashes but nothing consistent - Fail.
Magennis - Josh is a good impact sub, but whenever he's started he's been hopeless. The home game against St Johnstone and the game at Tannadice being the examples that spring to mind. Definitely not a success, would say fail is a bit harsh though - Don't know.
Wylde - Haven't seen enough from Gregg to convince me he has what it takes to be a regular first team player. Again, he has looked best coming off the bench and playing against tiring defences, but has struggled when starting. He's here next season though, so will be judged then - Juries still out.
There you go. I make that 2 successes and 8 failures from 12 signings, and both of the successes were goalkeepers!
These aren't the teething mistakes of a new manager, Danny is one of the most experienced bosses in the league. His summer of Beath debacle was excused with the lack of experience card, he can't play that same card 3 years later, it's clear he hasn't learned.
Can any Saints fan look at that and genuinely believe Danny is the right man to lead us into another vital summer window? Look at the amount of the clubs money he's wasted on duds there. It should not and cannot be allowed to happen again. It's too big a gamble to trust him with the clubs money for yet another season, he's thrown away enough of it.

Renewing tomorrow when I go get my Kille ticket

Danny Lennon has had his opportunity, time for him to go.
The End.